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happy IPR games dear Apple. You've started this, now we the end-users can "enjoy" the results. FY!

I wonder where this narrative comes from that Apple invented lawsuits in the mobile space. Nokia first sued Apple in the fall of 2009, well before Apple's actions attracted media interest.

Apple did fire the first shot in the conflicts against Samsung and HTC, but not against Motorola, either.

Although there apparently is some claim calling Motorola's move a preemptive defense strike. If that counts as an excuse than the whole question who started what is moot. The problem is the system where the only losing move is not to play.
 
Everyone knows Google bought Motorola just for the patents.

And frankly I'm shocked Apple didn't beat them to it.

I will not defend Google or Motorola for this, but I truly believe it is a direct result of Apple's recent insane patent trolling. They (Apple) are going after anyone and everyone who even remotely appears to be slightly similar to any of their patents, and this is it biting them in the ass.

Apple needs to step back and get some perspective, and stop using their giant pile of money to sue everyone. The next time it bites them in the ass it might be more than a slight and/or temporary inconvenience.
 
Its important to note that the Push E-Mail method covered by Motorola's patent is NOT covered by FRAND commitments. Its not part of any industry standard, and is simply a "convenience" feature, like much of Apple's "Scroll to Unlock" "Scroll and Bounce Back" patents. Therefore Motorola is perfectly entitled, both legally and morally, to go to court to prevent its infringement.

This particulate case is significant, if only for the fact that Push E-Mail is one of very few non-FRAND encumbered patents that Motorla/Google have at their disposal to bring against Apple (Microsoft, etc.)

Apple no doubt will contend that Motorola's patent isn't valid (I think the original description talked about pagers. remember those old things?) And while push e-mail is a useful thing to have, its doubtful its loss is going to radically harm Apple's German customers.

German courts in general, and the Mannheim court in particular, seem to be a popular venue for companies looking to get an injunction against allegedly-infringing competitors. German law and legal precedent give rights owners more weight than courts in many other jurisdictions. The Mannheim court also tends to issue rulings in IP cases much quicker than is normal (its referred jokingly among some IP lawyers as the "Mannheim Steamroller") . This is helpful in some ways: Its no use waiting two or three years (an eternity in the fast-moving tech business) to get an injunction. However, it also poses risks to plaintiffs: Should an injunction be issued based on a Patent that is later found to be invalid, the plaintiff can be liable for millions of Euros in damages for lost sales.
 
No big deal. Apple will remain the super power it has become. All that the other tech companies can do is hope for any table scraps Apple leaves behind for them. Right now they are all worried for that dreadful day in March when iPad 3 is released - because that will be the day Apple raises the bar even further out of the competition's reach. :apple:
 
What? You mean this isn't protecting innovation? ;)

Look on the bright side - maybe if things get more and more ridiculous in the patent wars, governments might start to step forward and instigate reviews of the patent system. It certainly seems to have swung from just protecting innovation to stifling competition.

I am not sure if you read my comment properly but I basically said everything you did just then. I agree with you lol not against you

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Not really, life is moving well for the lawyers and the people who own all the patents.

well that was a silly thing to say.

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The only one allowed to defend their IP is Apple?

lol
 
stop this **** already

Never way to much money at stake to stop... welcome to the new world.

Lawyer utopia. :D

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And frankly I'm shocked Apple didn't beat them to it.

I will not defend Google or Motorola for this, but I truly believe it is a direct result of Apple's recent insane patent trolling. They (Apple) are going after anyone and everyone who even remotely appears to be slightly similar to any of their patents, and this is it biting them in the ass.

Apple needs to step back and get some perspective, and stop using their giant pile of money to sue everyone. The next time it bites them in the ass it might be more than a slight and/or temporary inconvenience.

Childish believes this has nothing to do with Apple and all to do with money. Sue till you drop is my moto makes plenty of money for a friend of mine and he throws some wicked parties! :D
 
when I come to think of it. I don't need a smart phone. I rarely even touch my phone since my job requires a computer I do emails/IM/skype instead. I will save my money and not ever even get a smart phone then I won't have to worry about losing out :p the tech industry has gone haywire
 
Never way to much money at stake to stop... welcome to the new world.

Lawyer utopia. :D

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Childish believes this has nothing to do with Apple and all to do with money. Sue till you drop is my moto makes plenty of money for a friend of mine and he throws some wicked parties! :D


Lots of money and zero morals, enjoy your empty life.
 
I doubt that really matters though - The sale has already been approved - it would be kind of silly for a lawsuit to occur between the two companies since the target would be buying the owners IP.

Google and Moto talk constantly, and undoubtedly Moto received encouragement from Google to do this.


It seems that neither of you has ever been involved in a multi-billion dollar acquisition.

Until the deal is final, both companies have to avoid making any assumptions or commitments on/with each other. Small transition teams work on the planning - but it's "business as usual" for everyone else until the deal is complete.

The simple reason - if the deal falls through, and the assumptions/commitments cause harm to the value of a company, then the directors can be sued for neglecting their fiduciary responsibility. (For example, that 100 million bond is a risk for MotoMo.)

BTW, the story in today's Mercury News says that "China has yet to sign on" to the Google/MotoMo deal. It could still fall through.
 
So you're saying that you can still using iCloud by refreshing every N minutes *or* you can use Gmail for full push functionality?

How is that NOT Google bullying people into their services by making it harder to use the competitions services?

I don't think Google looks at iCloud or MobileMe as a serious competitor to GMail as it stands today. I think Google/Motorola is far more interested in attempting to halt iPhone sales and raise the stakes in this patent war in hope that Apple may come to a cross-licensing agreement as they did with Nokia.

I just don't think the bulk of Motorola's patents are worth it since Apple already licenses them via buying Qualcomm chips or because Motorola's patents were offered up as FRAND to increase adoption. Attempting to extract exorbitant licensing fees after offering is FRAND is a bait-and-switch extortion. They are gonna get reprimanded for it by courts in several countries.
 
Right...
Apple upends the industry with an entire reboot, defends its innovations when every one of their competitors flat out copy their design, and somehow Apple 'started it'. Gimme a break. Moto is simply flailing for the Rim as they circle the drain.

Rebooted what industry? The 'cloud' industry? So far they have fallen flat on their face with a really crummy offering. As for the tablet market, all Apple did was follow the technology. Apple didn't invent the newer screen technology, or the ability to laser cut aluminum into shapes. They simply used existing tech and materials.

Its really pathetic how some people think. If someone 'reboots' the car industry by coming out with an electric car, does that mean that everyone else, forever more who also have an electric car copied the original person? No, it's just people following technology. If it didn't happen we'd have an iPad, the one and only (no iPad 2) and a bunch of Windows XP tablets that look like bricks.

It's shocking how narrow-minded people can be.
 
Dangerous War For Google

Apple has a ton of patents - remember, they were in the computer business for a couple of decades before Google even existed. If I were Google, I wouldn't provoke them too much. My guess is Apple has patents involving a ton of critical UI stuff, not to mention many lower-level things as well (a bunch surrounding the Newton, no doubt).

If Apple really went nuclear, they might even be able to throw a wrench into Google's core search business...
 
Apple's problem is that they wont deviate from it's strict "We will have everything, and only us. If anyone copies us we will destroy them!" thinking. They should really be thinking "Ok, someone has a similar product or idea to us. Lets see if we can make ours better to make theirs look inferior".

They don't go after everyone, just those who have copied the look, feel, and design of their products. Samsung being the biggest offender.

This goes for both hardware and software.

All the retaliation seems to be bitterness over being last to the party, and having to do their own R&D and product design.
 
Apple's problem is that they wont deviate from it's strict "We will have everything, and only us. If anyone copies us we will destroy them!" thinking. They should really be thinking "Ok, someone has a similar product or idea to us. Lets see if we can make ours better to make theirs look inferior".

Whatever you think about Apple, Google, Samsung or Motorola, they are ALL as bad as each other.

This is a commonly expressed belief. But its one that fails to take into account the fact that not all patents are developed, issued, or enforced the same way.

In very simple terms, the patents that Apple seeks to enforce are not considered "Standard Essential", whereas the ones that Motorola and Samsung hold generally are "Standard Essential."

What is the difference? If you want to make a cellphone you have to use technology that uses the Standards Essential patent pool, otherwise it simply won't connect to the network or send and receive data. On the other hand, its been shown pretty conclusively that it IS POSSIBLE to make a smartphone that DOESN'T infringe on Apple's "scroll and bounce back" and "swipe to unlock" patents. Maybe the smartphone isn't as easy to use - but you can still do it.

Because "Standard Essential" patents are generally arrived at by a number of different companies, anti-monopoly rules in the US and Europe put restrictions on how these sorts of patents are used. Otherwise, you could say that the group of patent holders conspired or colluded to prevent other competitors from coming into the market. Therefore Standard Essential patents are usually made with commitments that they will be issued under "Fair Reasonable and Non Discriminatory" licensing terms (FRAND.)

If Apple asserts it Patent rights to "swipe to unlock" - it simply is encouraging other smartphone makers to innovate, to come up with some way of unlocking the phone that is as good as, or better than, Apple's method.

Motorola or Samsung asking for unreasonable or discriminatory licensing terms to use their baseband or wifi patents is simply holding other companies hostage. Companies that use these patents simply have no other way of showing video, or accessing wi-fi or cellular networks, without them. Motorola and Samsung made FRAND commitments at the time the wi-fi, h.264, and cellular standards were written. Now they have seen which companies are profitable, they are trying to change the rules of the game - with very dire implications for the future of technology, and the prices consumers might have to pay for it.
 
indirectly yes! but products with Samsungs name! I do not purchase

FYI L&G also make parts for Apple.

so a halfass boycott

FYI it's LG (not really sure what point you are trying to make there it's not like you can pick an LG made processor)
 
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