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Apple Suspends Program That Lets Employees Listen to Siri Recordings for Quality Control, Opt Out Option Coming
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This sure makes it seem like you're a fan of Apple!
"Hahahahahahaha oh dear.... so that newspaper report was true then, and yet again Apple has been caught with its trousers down..."
Looks more to me like someone that is excited that Apple is receiving negative press.
I also followed up my statement with this... "Differing views are cool, but you just seem overly giddy about this..."
I didn't read the agreement for Google (because I'm trying to avoid Google) but giving them audio access may not be the same as giving them permission to send your voice off somewhere.
I just don't get the "Big Brother is watching" aspect of this debate. Just as people tend not to read user agreements, they usually don't read the technical descriptions of the tech either. Heck, lots of people don't lock their phones.
You mean similar to the Samsung galaxy sending your photos randomly to contacts vs a difficult to execute vulnerability. Sure a bug report is right on the topic of privacy.
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I agree this comes down to give an inch and they take a mile scenario.
So Amazon does it, and they all do it...
An "opt out" is not on the cards... They just "shouldn't do it" I don't mind them doing this while on hold ..
But not when a mic can be heard by anyone walking in the room, after the trigger word
You don't need to listen to people's interaction with a 'home appliance just to improve on quality.
Who knows what they do with it after .. But this is the choice people made for convenience...
Ideally, for improving a service, that's what anyone can tell you.. doesn't mean anything really, but just gives better view of importance/clouding privacy more.
An "opt out" is not on the cards... They just "shouldn't do it" I don't mind them doing this while on hold ..
But not when a mic can be heard by anyone walking in the room, after the trigger word
You don't need to listen to people's interaction with a 'home appliance just to improve on quality.
Who knows what they do with it after .. But this is the choice people made for convenience...
Ideally, for improving a service, that's what anyone can tell you.. doesn't mean anything really, but just gives better view of importance/clouding privacy more.
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Makes you think does it not, or at least it SHOULD make you think.
Apple has chosen to place itself as the king of customer privacy and security, and all your data is safe, and stays on your device.
Yet, in secret, as they deliberately chose not to tell anyone, they were doing this.
They get found out, and then after we all find out about it. They now stop.
So, consider, if this is the way they work, what other things are they doing with customer data that none of us know about, that they will also stop in the future once it's found out?
I don't have any issue with what was happening to improve the product, the issue I have is promoting yourself as one thing and secretly doing another.
Like a Police Officer, on drugs.
Or a Priest visiting a sex worker.
We have companies/people preaching one thing to the public, whilst doing different things in secret, till they are found out and only then stopping it, that's the bad thing IMHO.
If you are going to do things like this, be open and up front about it in the 1st place.
Apple has chosen to place itself as the king of customer privacy and security, and all your data is safe, and stays on your device.
Yet, in secret, as they deliberately chose not to tell anyone, they were doing this.
They get found out, and then after we all find out about it. They now stop.
So, consider, if this is the way they work, what other things are they doing with customer data that none of us know about, that they will also stop in the future once it's found out?
I don't have any issue with what was happening to improve the product, the issue I have is promoting yourself as one thing and secretly doing another.
Like a Police Officer, on drugs.
Or a Priest visiting a sex worker.
We have companies/people preaching one thing to the public, whilst doing different things in secret, till they are found out and only then stopping it, that's the bad thing IMHO.
If you are going to do things like this, be open and up front about it in the 1st place.
I moved no goalposts; maybe you don’t understand what that phrase means?
You said “Your conversation isn’t sent to Apple.” You’re wrong, and I corrected you. Nothing to do with “goalposts”.
The information is absolutely, unequivocally, without question sent to Apple. Siri requests are sent to Apple’s servers for processing, and stored by Apple for later analysis.
Why would you possibly think the data isn’t sent to Apple, let alone try to state it here as a fact? You’re wrong.
That was 2000 words? Seems like it’s right in your face. And as you say about the “fans”, the “critics blindly criticize”. Whoever both of these general fictional group of people are.
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That's essentially the direction they are moving to by giving people a choice (how that choice is presented is something we don't know yet). But if with volunteers meant something like Apple employees or public beta testers (ie, people that actively seek to be guinea pigs), that probably wouldn't have been a diverse enough sample.
There is really only one meaningful change they can make and they have announced that they are going to make it and that is giving people a choice. Everything else is just fine-tuning things. What exactly did they made you believe until now that got disproved by this Guardian article?
This whole current debate is about 'Actual humans might listen to my Siri requests?', which shouldn't have come as a shock to anybody, and accidental Siri invocations can happen more often and in situations you hadn't thought about. And the only real complaint is that Apple should have given people a choice whether to participate in this human review process or not.
You fantasies about dark forces turning on microphones probably became a theoretical concern once people got fixed line telephones in their homes, or at the latest once people got cellphones and computers connected to the internet. What this has to do with Siri and human review of Siri requests remains a mystery (apart from both topics involving microphones and network connections). Siri doesn't send any audio snippets to Apple unless things happening locally on the phone are starting that process (either the 'Siri button' is pressed or the local speech recognition logic thinks it heard 'Hey Siri').
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This cannot be said enough.....if this were any other company but Apple they would be villainized here....
There are some who just blindly defend for no reason......
It is ok to be an Apple fan and still not agree with everything they do as a company.
It's amazing how many people are attempting to downplay this incident. Apple has been collecting voice data since Siri went public. That's A LOT of data. When using an Apple watch, Siri can be invoked and it's hard to tell it's listening a lot of times. I've looked down many times and noticed Siri is listening without my knowledge. Who knows how much of those conversations have been heard by outside contractors. Then you have HomePod. Now it's nothing but an overpriced bluetooth speaker if you turn off Siri because of this debacle. CarPlay... you gonna no longer use voice commands? If so, it's no longer a handsfree system which could get you in trouble in a lot of regions while driving your vehicle (if caught). Who knows what else Apple is doing with our data for all these years.
This is a FUD statement. It’s a good question, but one that can be asked everywhere, from the government to the smallest mom and pop store that has our credit card information.
As far as Apple goes, I believe they are acting within their privacy policies, although consumer protection is a process and not something that one can flip a switch and just turn on.
remember this....Guess that's was a lie huh? When Apple poked fun at others when they had privacy issues come to light.
Why do you blindly defend them?
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But those other entities don't also have a slogan what happens or your (insert Apple Device), stays on it. We just assume it and hope for the best.