Apple Suspends Program That Lets Employees Listen to Siri Recordings for Quality Control, Opt Out Option Coming

[sumsingwong]

A slogan is not necessarily false as said above in the example of GE. But I’m not blindly criticizing them or being pedantic about some slogan wording either.

GE isn't specifying a device with their slogan. Apple specified the iPhone in the ad but we all know any Apple devices with Siri is affected. Yes, GE is involved in lending there services to create things that may destroy things but those products aren't available to your everyday consumer.

 

[jamezr]

A slogan is not necessarily false as said above in the example of GE. But I’m not blindly criticizing them or being pedantic about some slogan wording either.

But we aren't talking about GE either. That is you trying to deflect.....
False advertising is the use of false, misleading, or unproven information to advertise products to consumers.

Hypocrisy
the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.


Given we now know this.....

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-control-opt-out-option-coming.2192194/page-8

 

[dantroline]

Have Google or Amazon suspended human review in the past and promised an opt-out option?
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So what exactly should they have done? Have no human reviewers and if Siri doesn't understand a user let that be the users problem (she or he should try to speak more clearly or rephrase their query in a way that Siri is already programmed to understand)?

It's beautiful to watch the inmates construct their own prison.

 

[macfacts]

Apple complains when they think other companies are doing bad things with your data. They think they've put enough effort into anonymizing the data that it is effectively sealed off from the baddies. It's not hypocrisy, maybe just a hint of bull****. It is marketing, after all. And Apple publishes their techniques for people who want to go read them.

So apple is just moving the goal posts now they have been caught. Originally the concern was about data collection and privacy. Now they got caught, the concern is about anonymity, not privacy.

 

[I7guy]

But we aren't talking about GE either. That is you trying to deflect.....
False advertising is the use of false, misleading, or unproven information to advertise products to consumers.

Hypocrisy
the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.


Given we now know this.....

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-control-opt-out-option-coming.2192194/page-8

Not really. I'm pointing out the difference between a slogan and a statement of fact, which can be proved true or not true. IMO, I don't view this as false advertising as this to me is a slogan. One could view this as a statement of fact and be pedantic and say, well not really, Siri goes to the servers, but that is not in the vein of what is this saying.

And sure as to the last part, as I said, consumer protection and privacy in this digitally connected world is not flipping a switch, but rather a process and apple is working toward that goal.
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GE isn't specifying a device with their slogan. Apple specified the iPhone in the ad but we all know any Apple devices with Siri is affected. Yes, GE is involved in lending there services to create things that may destroy things but those products aren't available to your everyday consumer.

It's still a slogan as Apple's "what happens on the iphone stays on the iphone" is a slogan...an advertising message. Not a statement of fact.

 

[citysnaps]

It outrageous, isn’t it. You know what I’d do if I were you? I’d never ever come back to, or leave a comment on, an Apple centric website again. I’d just get on with my life and leave it all behind. Live your life of Alexa and perhaps Android and even Windows. Evil Apple will never trouble you again.

Go now, and live your best life! You’re free!

Never happen. Some people will never be happy unless they have their daily wallow in misery.

 

[macfacts]

False advertising lawsuit in 3, 2, ....

 

[Jyby]

Science Rules!

 

[Jyby]

Science Rules!

 

[manu chao]

It's beautiful to watch the inmates construct their own prison.

So, you think any kind of human review is wrong? (I assume you mean 'human review' with 'prison'.)
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Just because you think a button in software turns something off doesn’t mean it’s actually off. Also- Apple is probably forced by court orders to record all the time or when asked to. Also forced by court orders to not say a word about it. Apple has an interest in not letting people know what’s really going on- Apple privacy is just a marketing stunt. You aren’t safe from being spied on by Apple or the Government...

You realise that this whole discussion about human review of Siri requests is pointless if we assume that the government is listening anyway?

 

[dantroline]

So, you think any kind of human review is wrong? (I assume you mean 'human review' with 'prison'.)

Those who don't value their privacy will surely have none.

 

[StumpyBloke]

Until Siri is recording everything private thing your kids are doing... Feel violated then?

Well for a start that’s not happening so let’s keep things real!

And, I don’t have kids thank God(c) (and that’s nothing to do with privacy concerns, I just hate them LOL)

 

[manu chao]

Those who don't value their privacy will surely have none.

Speaking only in aphorisms might make you feel smart but refusing to acknowledge that human review is necessary just makes you sound like a smartass.

Having the position that a) human review is necessary and b) that Apple should give users a choice is the only rational option here. Not acknowledging this is just a failure on your part to accept reality.

 

[ChrisChaval]

never expected apple to do this, this is quite outrageous

and most of all: I never saw a clear opt out option

in the end apple, google, amazon ... are all the same

I chose Apple (and was willing to pay the markup) because I felt safer

this has been a silly decision, obviously

 

[I7guy]

False advertising lawsuit in 3, 2, ....

It’s a slogan used in advertising. Good luck with winning that 3,2, .... lawsuit.

 

[buran-energia]

Cause 1984 is basically happening in China, UK, and Russia as we speak...

I hate to break it to you, but it's the US that owns most of the tech companies that collects a huge chunk of personal information of people from all over the world, let alone that of US citizens, not China, the UK or Russia. All the US government has to do is to go to that US company and cite national security and force them to sign the NDA.

The data that those US companies have is too tempting not to be analyzed and experimented on for those with power. And as they say, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

[manu chao]

I hate to break it to you, but it's the US that owns most of the tech companies that collects a huge chunk of personal information of people from all over the world, let alone that of US citizens, not China, the UK or Russia. All the US government has to do is to go to that US company and cite national security and force them to sign the NDA.

The data that those US companies have is too tempting not to be analyzed and experimented on for those with power. And as they say, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

It's not without reason that those U.S. companies have subsidiaries and local data centres in Europe for example. It's not a 100% guarantee but it does make things a bit more complicated for the U.S. government.

And this is also where end-to-end encryption becomes useful. Yes, I know, Apple, eg, could be forced to create a backdoor (which is something they fought in court with the San Bernardino case) but I think so far the NSA manages to rely mostly on unintended backdoors (which is what also happened in the San Bernardino case in the end). The advantage of unintended backdoors (from a consumer's point of view) is that governments have an interest in not overusing them, lest someone finds out about one and it might get fixed.

 

[Crowbot]

Please don't say I don't understand. I've been an engineering tech for 37 years. I know that software switches can be overridden. Your premise assumes that Apple is spying on us just because they can. Why would they spy on us? Capability does not imply intention.

The only real solution would be to put mechanical switches on the mics and cameras, I guess.

 

[manu chao]

The only real solution would be to put mechanical switches on the mics and cameras, I guess.

Apple's laptops do have mechanical switches for the microphone. You close the lid on a MacBook and the power supply to the microphone gets cut (and the camera obviously get visually blocked).

 

[Crowbot]

Apple's laptops do have mechanical switches for the microphone. You close the lid on a MacBook and the power supply to the microphone gets cut (and the camera obviously get visually blocked).

Right but putting another physical switch in an iPhone would be more of a challenge.

 

[manu chao]

Right but putting another physical switch in an iPhone would be more of a challenge.

Though you probably could muffle it noticeable with the right piece of tape at the right place. And depending on how paranoid you are, you could start with disabling 'Hey Siri', put the phone into airplane mode, power it down, remove the SIM card (and power down your home WiFi) or simply putting it into a fridge (or other Faraday cage).

 

[macfacts]

Those who don't value their privacy will surely have none.

Do you lease a new car every 6 months? If not you are being tracked by your license plate and don't value your privacy.
https://iphone.appleinsider.com/art...ag_less_by_leasing_a_new_car_every_six_months

All privacy issues are not the same value. Making a big deal about online searches and other small things makes you look paranoid.

 

[Crowbot]

Though you probably could muffle it noticeable with the right piece of tape at the right place. And depending on how paranoid you are, you could start with disabling 'Hey Siri', put the phone into airplane mode, power it down, remove the SIM card (and power down your home WiFi) or simply putting it into a fridge (or other Faraday cage).

If I worried about it, I could.

 

[jamezr]

It’s a slogan used in False advertising. Good luck with winning that 3,2, .... lawsuit.

Fixed that for ya.....

 

[Jyby]

Science Rules!