Thank you for the link. Yeah I had already seen the wiki page along with the graphed roadmap. This one seems to have a bit more. Bleh I wish I could wait for Haswell now, but it's unlikely that I'll have this option.
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Thank you for the link. Yeah I had already seen the wiki page along with the graphed roadmap. This one seems to have a bit more. Bleh I wish I could wait for Haswell now, but it's unlikely that I'll have this option.
Mac Pro Doomed?
Not sure if this has already been mentioned here, but the Mac Pro's days could be numbered. Between SSD drives, Thunderbolt drives, external video cards, and faster chips with more and more cores, imagine having a mac mini that can do everything. First off, look at what Apple is doing with its pro apps. Shake: Industry leading digital compositing software: gone. Final Cut Studio: gone. Final Cut X: 64-bit: $299. Logic Pro: Now on the app store: $199. Where are all the expensive, high end pro apps that used to come on 4, 5, 6, 7+ DVDs??? Apple's iOS bubble accounts for over 70% of the company's revenue stream. So why would they bother investing in the pros? Apple is taking their pro level apps and making them into consumer grade programs. Final Cut X looks a whole lot like iMovie. And hey, Final Cut Express: gone. Who's to say if there'll be a Logic X? Will Garageband get a big brother? How many different models and generations of iPhone, iPod, iPad, etc will go by before the Mac Pro is updated? That should be a clear example of where Apple's interests lie. There are also rumors that their entire notebook line of computers will be consolidated into one line. Basically Macbook Airs ranging from 11" to 17". Solid state drives. Only external optical drives. Cloud storage to share and store your photos and music. No more dot mac. No more MobileMe. No more iWeb even. Leave that to other companies to worry about. Apple could get rid of everything they make except the iPhone & iPad and still be the richest company on Earth. Why would Apple continue to make the Mac Pro when they don't have software that requires it? Are they going to make them so people can run Adobe or Avid software? I think that the Mac Pro's days are definitely numbered. It's a shame. Not long ago Apple catered to the pro market. It seems as if overnight they cut it loose. Maybe they should've called it Final Cut Ex. Who knows what the future will be? It just seems as if most products that Apple makes that don't start with the letter "i" are never safe from the dreaded EOL (end of life) status. Who or what will be next on the chopping block? Anybody know Ted Allen's email address?
Not sure if this has already been mentioned here, but the Mac Pro's days could be numbered. Between SSD drives, Thunderbolt drives, external video cards, and faster chips with more and more cores, imagine having a mac mini that can do everything. First off, look at what Apple is doing with its pro apps. Shake: Industry leading digital compositing software: gone. Final Cut Studio: gone. Final Cut X: 64-bit: $299. Logic Pro: Now on the app store: $199. Where are all the expensive, high end pro apps that used to come on 4, 5, 6, 7+ DVDs??? Apple's iOS bubble accounts for over 70% of the company's revenue stream. So why would they bother investing in the pros? Apple is taking their pro level apps and making them into consumer grade programs. Final Cut X looks a whole lot like iMovie. And hey, Final Cut Express: gone. Who's to say if there'll be a Logic X? Will Garageband get a big brother? How many different models and generations of iPhone, iPod, iPad, etc will go by before the Mac Pro is updated? That should be a clear example of where Apple's interests lie. There are also rumors that their entire notebook line of computers will be consolidated into one line. Basically Macbook Airs ranging from 11" to 17". Solid state drives. Only external optical drives. Cloud storage to share and store your photos and music. No more dot mac. No more MobileMe. No more iWeb even. Leave that to other companies to worry about. Apple could get rid of everything they make except the iPhone & iPad and still be the richest company on Earth. Why would Apple continue to make the Mac Pro when they don't have software that requires it? Are they going to make them so people can run Adobe or Avid software? I think that the Mac Pro's days are definitely numbered. It's a shame. Not long ago Apple catered to the pro market. It seems as if overnight they cut it loose. Maybe they should've called it Final Cut Ex. Who knows what the future will be? It just seems as if most products that Apple makes that don't start with the letter "i" are never safe from the dreaded EOL (end of life) status. Who or what will be next on the chopping block? Anybody know Ted Allen's email address?
Actually I cant imagine a huge amount of them are custom. I looked at that when buying mine but Apple charges stupid amounts for upgrades, it was cheaper to get them done afterwards. Ram being a prime example, Apple charges around double what crucial charge directly.
It's the same with the graphics cards, the Apple store charges about 25% more than an authorised Apple reseller.
Best case scenario: This rumor is about a Q3/Q4 update, the Q1 update with Sandy Bridge and AMD is still on deck, meaning Apple is teeing up a 6-month turnaround for the next update so we don't go through another two-year dry spell. Would be a great way to renew their foothold in the pro market (along with more fixes to FCPX).
As a person needing to buy the new machine and not willing to drop 10k on a 2010 model, I am going to try to be optimistic about this.
As a person needing to buy the new machine and not willing to drop 10k on a 2010 model, I am going to try to be optimistic about this.
I dont mind, NLE can live without CUDA
Its the workhorses like Resolve that needs it. My FCPX runs great on a Quadro 4000, more so than the original AMD that came with.Mac Mini solves all problems. No?
My simulations have finished, but somebody hacked the cluster last night so I can't download the files. Maybe I should have bought a Mac Mini and run the simulations locally? I just used 12 nodes, should be done in a hurry on those new Minis. Say 8 processors per node and 2GB RAM per processor, so just used 96 processors and 192 GB RAM in total. Hm, maybe a new Mac Pro would be better. Or best: Get the security-people to shut out those hackers!
My simulations have finished, but somebody hacked the cluster last night so I can't download the files. Maybe I should have bought a Mac Mini and run the simulations locally? I just used 12 nodes, should be done in a hurry on those new Minis. Say 8 processors per node and 2GB RAM per processor, so just used 96 processors and 192 GB RAM in total. Hm, maybe a new Mac Pro would be better. Or best: Get the security-people to shut out those hackers!
Um, yes, this has been discussed here a time or two! lol
The Mac Pro could be doomed, but I don't think your examples of its demise are applicable. A change of form factor for the Mac Pro, cheaper software prices, convenient software downloads, and a successful iOS segment does not mean Apple is abandoning the pro market or getting ready to EOL the Mac Pro.
I actually think Apple catered to the pro market by, first, bringing back the previous version of Final Cut Pro when everyone rejected Final Cut Pro X v1.0; and, second, by adding (or restoring! lol) features that the pro community blasted Apple for leaving out of Final Cut Pro X.
Tim Cook emphasized that Apple was, and is still, committed to their number one priority... creating great products. If this is to be believed, then there is no reason Apple would start making inferior desktops and laptops. I guess I prefer to stop "the sky is falling" nonsense and take Tim Cook at his word.
Here come the down votes! lmao
I still ask the question why Apple used ATI with Intel..... Shouldn't it be Nvida = Intel, ATI = AMD?
This has never made sense to me.
This has never made sense to me.
What's to be confused about? Both GPU brands work with both CPU brands. More choice is good?
sorry. From experience I have had better performance and reliability with AMD. Also I am bias because I have just put a new amd 6870 in and breathed a heck of a lot of new life into the machine which makes me overjoyed about it. I have only ever had one nvidia card and it half broke (gradient banding). All my ATI cards in the past in PCs have been great.
I like green more than red by the way
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AMD and Nvidia are not like Apple. They allow user choices on everything
I know they work together, but i have always been taught that you shouldn't mix. Even know the times i did it WAS on a PC, the mix of the two brands didn't work so well, they worked better when matched.
Shrug
I love all the posts from users saying a mac mini server would have enough oomph to address the needs of the typical Mac Pro user.
Corei5/Corei7 processor in the mini is weaky weaky, these are dual core corei5 and i7 processors. The Mac Pro have true server processors, Xeons which is a whole different league than the little low power i5/i7 chips in the minis.
A 12-core (24 via hyperthreading) Pro is capable of a lot more than a little dualcore consumer level chip in a mini. Period.
That being said, the video card situation is a no brainer. The Cuda support with Nvidia actually seems to be a more beefy solution although I've used (and use now) an ATI card in my machine and this works well for me.
I love all the posts from users saying a mac mini server would have enough oomph to address the needs of the typical Mac Pro user.
Corei5/Corei7 processor in the mini is weaky weaky, these are dual core corei5 and i7 processors. The Mac Pro have true server processors, Xeons which is a whole different league than the little low power i5/i7 chips in the minis.
A 12-core (24 via hyperthreading) Pro is capable of a lot more than a little dualcore consumer level chip in a mini. Period.
That being said, the video card situation is a no brainer. The Cuda support with Nvidia actually seems to be a more beefy solution although I've used (and use now) an ATI card in my machine and this works well for me.
The reason Mac pro has not been updated is that MP tracks Intels Xeon. If Intel does not announce new Xeons, Apple does not update MP. When new Xeons are announced, MP will be updated.
Why do people always come on to a Mac Pro forum and say ignorant things like this?
Has this person ever tried to render some serious HD content on a Mac Mini and still make a deadline?
Common son... wake up!
Why do people always come on to a Mac Pro forum and say ignorant things like this?
Has this person ever tried to render some serious HD content on a Mac Mini and still make a deadline?
Common son... wake up!
Seriously, these are two entirely different machines. One is for emailing and carrying on in your iLives, the other is for creating artificial worlds. Stop with the ambient conclusions and get off these forums if you dislike the mac pros. Most of us are in here because we have a wad of cash saved up and are drooling to render on a faster model. Faster machines = faster paychecks
meh. I just think the average person has NO idea what people need Mac Pros for. They think their games and Word docs are the most intensive activities people ever do. They have no idea what kind of horsepower is needed to create the incredible motion graphics, 3D modeling and special effects they see in tv and the movies they like so much. I'm sure there are other specialized businesses that also need a lot of computation power but no one understands what they do. That's why so many of my clients think they can wait until I get to the meeting location to whip out some complicated animations in a couple of hours on my MacBook Pro. Then I spend all night letting a 30 sec animation render and hope it's the way I want it when I wake up. Even a guy I work with whose career is in A/V (a source switcher) thinks I should be able to use an iMac just fine and doesn't understand why I want something I can keep upgrading. Let's hope Apple still gets it.
When the next refresh happens in 2016
Looking at the bright side, our MPs will have a 10 nm Skymont cpu and a GTX 980 gpu.
At his word? He is the ceo of a publicly traded company legally bound to make a profit, not cater to a specific market. phones are where the big $ is not making desktops for a group of people numbering in the thousands vs a group of people in the millions who buy phones and ipads. just look at what they are doing to the operating system, its turning into a pretty toy not for professionals. maybe the pro will be refreshed one last time but it will be gone in a few years.