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Originally posted by JBracy
Has anyone noticed that the dimensions are exactly the same as 2 DVD cases stacked on top of each other?

Interesting - eh?

by my mesurements of the free ones i got sent from AOL (yey they came in handy) its every so slightly shorter and about 1.5 dvd cases thick, but yeah very intresting.... sounds more like someone having a laugh or a conn but giving the benifit of the doubt (maybe cause i would like to see one of these things) it gives some uintresting posibilities. If it could be used a la tivo as some people hoped then i always thought it would look odd shaped on top of your hi-fi/dvd stack or n top of the tv but if its dvd case shaped then you could stand it in your dvd rack if you keep your dvd's near the tv and it will fit in. also it will be easilly carried with a stack of dvd's in a bag or whatever.

I quite like the idea of it being a part of the digital hub that links all the consumer electronics and computers in the house by being a universal remote control and viewer. I suppose a iPod could do this but the lacl of size for input may have been a drawback as if anything complex had to be entered you'd have to return to the mac. I like the idea of being able to control the lights, cetral heating etc from the sofa, access the mac's files/contacts, possibly include some sort of remote desktop software so if i leave the computer cause the films on then i can use the iPad(or whatever to continue my work while the breaks are on or to look something up without moving. send a IM to the girl friend in the kitchen to put the kettle on (ok ok only joking....) Of course when you leave the house it becomes a souped up pda where you can take class notes, record lectures (if it has that speach patent thing), administer the work network (especially the headless nodes like the xServes), play dvd's on the move (though ripped ones i guess due to size weight of a dvd/cd player, but mainly the cost). I quite like the id of it being a slave to the iPop as someone mentioned cause it'd lower the cost to those with an iPod, though of corse probably increase it to people like me without one.

Graphics profs could also use one i guess like a wacom tablet with thier power Macs. Maybe its a bit small for this but it could be used in slave mode where the screen mirrows a part of your main screen and what is drawn on to the iPads screen is also shown on your cinema screen or it could be set to use its own screen where you can move all the pallets onto the pad and just use it to select each tool, but that would work better if the actual cinema screen was touch sensitive. That would make it so the mose doesnt have to be used as much. .....of course you can always have the option to put a screen saver on it and use it as the fabled iFrame...
 
Originally posted by JBracy
Has anyone noticed that the dimensions are exactly the same as 2 DVD cases stacked on top of each other?

Interesting - eh?

your observation is the most insightful i've yet seen! we really are on the cusp of the introduction of a brand new type of product from apple. this new device cannot be placed into any category currently known. once again setting higher standards of industrial design, the new apple empty-dvd-cases-glued-together will totally blow away the home consumer market. there are literally infinite uses including:

- stores up to two dvds
- conversation piece
- coaster
- and much much more!

it will be available on april first for the low low price of only $999.99!!! order yours today!
 
Originally posted by requies
your observation is the most insightful i've yet seen! we really are on the cusp of the introduction of a brand new type of product from apple. this new device cannot be placed into any category currently known. once again setting higher standards of industrial design, the new apple empty-dvd-cases-glued together will totally blow away the home consumer market. there are literally infinite uses including:

- stores up to two dvds
- conversation piece
- coaster
- and much much more!

it will be available on april first for the low low price of only $999.99!!! order yours today!

oooh sarcasm. I like that :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by JBracy
oooh sarcasm. I like that :rolleyes:

no, really! once you hold it in your hands you can really feel the love that's been put into designing it! :D
 
Originally posted by requies
no, really! once you hold it in your hands you can really feel the love that's been put into designing it! :D

A Jonathan Ive / Steve Jobs designed DVD case - I can see it now!

Maybe it's just the new packaging for iWorks!
 
Originally posted by wrylachlan
Just trying to think of the things I do now with objects of roughly those dimensions -

-Read Books
-Take Notes
-show off photos

the ability to do even just those three things in a simple elegent package would make me buy this unit. I routinely carry three or four books in my bag, not to mention lots of loose paper. To be able to go all digital with my reading material would be a godsend. I can't justify buying an eBook reader now, because the screens aren't that great, the software is sloppy, and if I'm shelling out 5 bills, I want it to have pda functions.

Believe me, if they release an iPad it will be thin and light enough to hold comfortably in one hand like a paperback, and will sinc with the Mac you have at home to download ebooks.

While there may not be enough of a market for a desktop replacement tablet, there is definitely a small market for ebook readers + a small market for pda's + plus a small market for video on the go + a market for something we haven't even dreamed of = a sellable market.

My guess is that they are waiting untill the g3 goes .9 so that they can get the form factor they want with the battery life they want with the speed they need. my guess is early 2004.


I'm with you on those points. Unfortunately, Adobe's e-book reader is ONLY for OS 9, so I doubt we'll be reading e-books on this tablet anytime soon. :mad:
 
Some uses...

Here are some potential uses for this product. I apologize if any of these have been previously stated.

Recording device: Someone mentioned this already, but if speech-to-text is involved, it would enable a user to immediately highlight or flag a section of text for further review, in real-time as the words are being spoken.

Stats keeper: A PDA has too small of a screen to keep, for instance, basketball stats, but a mini-tablet would be perfect for this. Wouldn't it be cool to see Apple items on the sidelines of all sporting events? It would be great for smaller venues, i.e. high school, where there may not even be a table to set a laptop on.

Graphics input tablet: I think this was said also, but that would be great for value and dual functionality to be able to sync it to photoshop.

GPS: Great size for a fully functional, color GPS

This size item would be a field photographer's dream, able to do remote capture in a smaller size than a laptop, and still have a large enough screen to see the picture, and be able to write/dictate notes, and with the GPS store where the picture is taken automatically.

How about a power OUTPUT for those times when your cell phone runs out of power and you don't have a charger available?

eBook, digicam, movie player, etc., etc., everything else you would normally think would, of course, be included.
 
Originally posted by JBracy
Maybe it's just the new packaging for iWorks!

Wow... (pause for effect)... could you imagine how stupid we'd all feel if THAT was the end product?

More time I'd NEVER get back... :p
 
I don't know how this thread degraded into PDA speculation. At this size, it is NOT a PDA. Not even a souped-up-PDA-and-some-other-cool-things-too. I give Apple all the credit in the world for being capable of thinking up a newfangled product that wouldn't have occurred to any of us armchair quarterbacks, but a device this size is not something you can stick in your back pocket and take anywhere. Thus, regardless of whatever else it it, it is not a PDA.
 
Who says a PDA has to be small.

PDA stands for Personal Digital Assistant.

Doesn't necessarily have to fit in your pocket.

I think my point is that this thread can go anywhere it wants to go... and the idea is that perhaps a tablet can do the work of a PDA and then some and therefore it is relevant to the discussion.

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Yes, but it has a certain connotation of being something you take everwhere with you. I can (and do) use iCal, Mail, Address Book, and a word processor on my Mac at home as a "personal digital assistant" in the most literal sense, but it is not my constant companion. That's what my Sony Clie is for. No way would anyone but diehard technolusters carry this around everywhere they went simply for conventional PIM functionality.

It can do the work of a PDA, and it might in fact do the work of a PDA. But I can't imagine it being marketed primarily as a PDA. It's just too big for that.
 
My $0.02

Every time I think about a tablet computer I immediately dismiss it based on one or more of the following:
  • They will/do cost to much for the model I'd be interested in
  • They're too big to be practical
  • They seem to be crippled laptops trying to be a PDA or an over glorified PDA trying to be a laptop (most pocket pc based machines)

After skimming the 100+ comments here I began to think about what my user requirements would be.

I'm a software engineer and part time student (finally going back to finish my BS - at 31! :rolleyes: ) So I carry a backpack with the following, every day:
  • My work laptop (Dell POS :( ) and it's accessories (Mouse, power supply, PCMCIA 802.11b card, network cable, Floppy Drive, and a few CD's)
  • 2 - 3 folders with school notes, assignments and other papers
  • 1 or 2 fat textbooks (by far, the bulkiest, heaviest items in there)
  • A work portfolio with a tablet and as much as 100 pages of work document.
  • A tech/programming book (Currently Cocoa Programming by Aaron Hilligass)
In order for this thing to work for me, it would need to following:
  • near full page size, 8x10 minimum and at least 1" thin, any thicker and my laptop (which I still would have to carry) would not fit with it in the same backback compartment.
  • Have BlueTooth and/or 802.11b/g and/or Firewire400 and iSync support on my Desktop Macs - AND - it MUST have some kind of Windows synchronization service of some sort too.
  • MP3/AAC audio playback (some cool BlueTooth headphones would be an awesome, overpriced, addition too!)
  • Some kind of audio recording
  • Enough muscle to play Keynote or PowerPoint presentations - including S-Video and SVGA plugs (no stupid, proprietary dongles to loose, please!)
  • No fan
  • A very quiet hard drive
  • Some kind of stylus/screen that makes little noise and provides a little resistance like a pencil on paper would.
  • Enough battery power for 8 hours of normal use (2 battery option?)
  • A charging cradle that makes it into a digital picture frame to show off my kid's pictures! :)
  • Portrait and Landscape modes
Notice that most of my requirements are in the physical aspects - not the OS. Besides note-taking and address book type things, presentation display and audio playback/recording are my only needs. (okay, a few games would be cool too!)
The 8x10 size issue is not too big of a deal, I’ve never used a Newton, but everyone who has seemed to love their size – I guess I’d just have to use one to pass judgment on it.
If they can deliver something like this for under a grand, I’d seriously consider it.

Oh, does anyone know, do college textbook publishers distribute PDF versions of their books ever? If I could get rid of those HUGE stacks of dead trees I’d jump on that in a heartbeat!
 
Hardware

BTW - all of my wish-list items could be done on a G3 based machine with limitted RAM (512Mb) and just enough of a video card as needed to support the OpenGL Keynote transitions smoothly.
 
Re: My $0.02

Originally posted by eric_n_dfw
Oh, does anyone know, do college textbook publishers distribute PDF versions of their books ever? If I could get rid of those HUGE stacks of dead trees I?d jump on that in a heartbeat!

Not very often, that I know of. I just Xerox the day's reading and bring that. I've already had back surgery once before I was 25. I don't need that kind of abuse.

If Apple came up with the iPod for print media--including a quick easy way to scan in books that aren't available digitally (because this is the real challenge--getting the books you want, the way you want them: i want to the design excellence of a printed book rather than the ersatz look of most ebooks, and frankly ebook selection is pretty poor), I would pay almost anything to be able to carry around one device rather than a stack of books. But I'm sure this ain't happenin (mostly I'm trying to stay marginally on-topic).
 
Killer app

In trying to keep on topic, this could be Apple's killer app - some kind of deal with Prentice Hall or some other big publisher to have electronic editions with security - only on the new "iBackpack" for students!
 
Think sync !

Originally posted by Awimoway
Yes, but it has a certain connotation of being something you take everwhere with you. I can (and do) use iCal, Mail, Address Book, and a word processor on my Mac at home as a "personal digital assistant" in the most literal sense, but it is not my constant companion. That's what my Sony Clie is for. No way would anyone but diehard technolusters carry this around everywhere they went simply for conventional PIM functionality.

It can do the work of a PDA, and it might in fact do the work of a PDA. But I can't imagine it being marketed primarily as a PDA. It's just too big for that.

Please do me a favour: forget about the this PDA / Laptop / whatever definition stuff.

A usefull device is any device that is full of use for the user :)

You may have opted for the Clie, because you want something REALLY small to carry along anytime with you. But do you use it for longer data entries ? Do you use it to watch videos ? etc. etc.

People buy what they feel a need for. For some, a Palm or Sony or whatever is too restricted. So they just either work with their laptop or directly pen&paper-combination. I had people tell me with my old Newton that they considered it far too big for daily use. But I did not carry it EVERYWHERE, but just at times and places where I considered it usefull - BTW, those people where the same that impressed me with a 2lbs heavy handsomely leather-bound agenda next time around they visited me - and I'm sure they don't carry this sort of stuff around when they go to a ballgame.

Anyways: I firmly believe that for today's tech-savy users AND those that don't care about technology at all, in the end it's only the use (applications) and the data itself that matters - not the device (...letting the subject of design and beauty apart). So the main functionality of any device trying to find its way into the usage pattern of this large consumer group will be the capability to exchange data with as many other devices as possible.

Or, to make a long story short: think sync !

What Apple may be aiming for with a device as sketched out in this thread is to create a truely mobile and usage-oriented equivalent to their desktop digitial hub. Think of such a device, whatever the name may be, as a mobile digital hub. I know a lot of people will say that an iBook will do the same - OK, then go get yourself an iBook. However, an iBook also does fine to play MP3-songs with iTunes - so what was the use for the iPod in the first place?

I, for any case, am looking forward to such a hub that I would easily consider to be the central hub in my communcation behaviour - syncing info from the desktop to the tablet and from their on to my laptop, PDA and smartphone. Up to me, then, to decide which device I want to take along - and in a lot of cases, the tablet will certainly be enough by itself.

Others may decide they don't need a laptop or PDA anymore, but only will live with a desktop-tablet-smartphone chain-of-sync. But who care's - it's the data that counts.
 
I mostly agree. I do think the functionality of the device itself (not just the currency and completeness of its data) matters. For example, it may be true that any device will do for data access, but there is a wide range of functionality for data input. iPods have access but no input. Cell phones these days have both, in wildly varying degrees of functionality, but generally suck at input (granted, that's my opinion). A Palm/Pocket PC/Zaurus handheld is pretty good at short data entry, as you pointed out, but even then it's an acquired taste that some people never grow to like. A laptop can do it all, but who wants to whip out their notebook computer to "pencil in" a meeting?

So the question is, I guess, if there is enough of a space in the market to position a product that stands between handheld PDAs and notebooks? Some have tried (and are still trying) with subnotebooks and such, but they are always clamshell-keyboard devices. If Apple goes with a tablet form factor, maybe they will hit on something that really changes the marketplace (not that this is suprising where Apple is concerned).

My worry is that it will be compared most to the Palm OS/Pocket PC/Zaurus handeld market, but at twice the size of those devices, it will compare unfavorably. I guess it depends on how much Apple can fit under the hood. If it performs a lot more like a notebook than a handheld, then I think it will succeed. If it's running a really limited, stripped down OS, I don't think it will sell very well even among Apple-faithful.
 
If it runs Mac OS and has a decent GPU, I can see myself dropping this in my bag or coat pocket at times when I wouldn't bother lugging my laptop. Thus, it would give me GREAT capabilities in many situations where I would have had none. It wouldn't replace a Mac, not even a laptop, for most people--but it would be a great companion. And for others, it might be all the computer they need.

As for the lack of keyboard--that WOULD slow me down. Does removing the keyboard half of the clamshell save THAT much thickness? I remain to be sold on that question. Even if writing works great, it's still slower--and does get painful after a while compared to keyboard. (Same with on-screen tap-keyboards, or physical keyboards that are too tiny.) I'm not saying it's thje end of the world, just something I'm not sold on yet. The cool factor might outweigh that :)

I've been thinking this is most likely to NOT be a Mac, but a more limited device like an iPod. But then, why SO thick? The thickness suggests a lot crammed into the case. A full Mac, possibly, minus optical drive.

Theroies on the ports:

Top four: USB, FireWire (suitable for networking so no Ethernet needed), iBook style VGA/composite out, and Power/recharge.

Bottom two panels: battery and optional AirPort.

Two side holes: stylus storage and headphones/audio out.

Built-in standard: Bluetooth.

Random wish-list item: an optional BT mini-keyboard could snap on as a screen-protector and recharge in the process... maybe wirelessly and without metal contacts, like my electric toothbrush recharges. (I see no other way the case described could connect to another clamshell or cover electrically.)
 
I just browsed the Tablet PC sites and most of them are approximately the size of a sheet of paper and weigh in at 3+ pounds. Also, they are priced and marketed as quasi laptops. None of that appeals to me, as I would simply opt for a laptop.

"JBracy" has noted that the dimensions for this Apple device would be like stacking two DVD cases on top of eachother. So I did, and I LIKE IT!!:D

Perfect size, and the weight would probably be cut nearly in half, so it could have all the functions of a PDA, more appropriate sizing and pricing [compared to actual computers], and so much more...yet not enough to cannibalize laptop/desktop sales.

If this device could be more of a compliment to a laptop/desktop [as opposed to a replacement] or, just be a standalone kiosk type device for non-computer owners that provides WebTV like features without the need [although an option] for a keyboard and a TV set top box, I think Apple could have a winner.

Add audio/video input & output functionality to appeal to students as well as business professionals and [puns intended], Apple will "School the competition" AND "Be in Business".

Bluetooth wireless connectivity for 3rd party peripherals and devices would benefit existing computer users while a possible IR port would let the unit be utilized in a home environment to control home electronics. Airport Extreme for network administrators who need to walk around offices all day and troubleshoot CPU's while maintaining access to the server via remote desktop features.

I could keep going, but the possibilities seem to become endless the more I think about it.

This part is important. Why does mostly everyone seem to be stuck on one unit, one price?

Make an "iPad" [or whatever] for home users and students in general. Let them get the Mac of their choice later on when they outgrow this device, or use it in conjunction with their current Mac.

Make a "PowerPad" [or whatever] for higher education students and business people/professionals. They also can later purchase the Mac of their choice when they outgrow this device, or again, use it in conjunction with their current Mac.

These should be more like minimal input [handwriting/touchscreen keyboard, audio, low res imagery, CD/DVD ROM?] and access devices for playback and remote control/administration, than a development device [editing, high res imagery, CD/DVD write capabilites]. Leave the latter to the computers.

Price these devices at approximately $599-$699 for the iPad, $899-$999 for the PowerPad. The difference in price would be justified by software, connectivity, and upgradeability options based on the end users needs. Use them as introductory devices to the Macintosh platform.

Existing Mac users will probably dive right in, being the early adopters of all things Apple that we are ;). More importantly, hook new computer users and Switchers at a low price point with a revolutionary product [ala iPod] and let Apple product recognition and reliabilty grow on them!!

MWAHAHAHAAHA!!:D
 
Re: Killer app

Originally posted by eric_n_dfw
In trying to keep on topic, this could be Apple's killer app - some kind of deal with Prentice Hall or some other big publisher to have electronic editions with security - only on the new "iBackpack" for students!

This is so right on. the killer app for a device of this kind would absolutely be content, and ease of access to that content. There were rumors a few months ago of an iBookshelf ebook app that were pretty much dismissed, but in conjunction with an iPad... and it certainly wouldn't be limited to textbooks. I routinely read parts of four different newspapers. If I could have all of that content automatically download to my iPad while I sleep, and then when I wake up, pick it up out of it's dock and go... I'd buy that - as would everyone else on Wall Street who rides the train to work.

Imagine you're reading the Wall Street Journal on the way to work. You see an article on a company that looks interesting. You highlight a couple of sentences, scrawl a note at the bottom and email it to your broker to get his opinion.

There is a huge enterprise market for this kind of functionality.

I also agree with the idea that this will not be a laptop or desktop replacement, in the way that Windows Tablets are being marketed. Instead it will be like an iPod - used for the few functions you need in transit but not full-featured. It would compliment the Mac, not replace it.

My guess is it would run something like OSX lite - with everything that is unnecessary for the specific programs it is running taken out: No need for drivers to support multiple screen resolutions - nor multi monitor support. No support for optical drives, PC cards, or any connection other than firewire, bluetooth, and maybe airport. No Classic. etc. etc. And with all the unnecessary stuff taken out, I would bet that OSX would hum.
 
Even the Windows Tablet PC's aren't selling!

Our magazine (Tech-edge e-zine) got sucked into this Mac Tablet BS the day before MWSF, which never materialized of course.

We've just done a two month "user review" and survey which will be published laterthis month, on the Gateway Tablet PC (the best one out there). While most people thought the Tablet concept was "interesting", not a single person that tried it, or anyone we polled on our weekend radio show, said they would buy ANY Tablet type computer.

Why? Very simple; it's application is far too focused, as opposed to the universal use of a full notebook!

We've found that every PC manufacturer that has released a Tablet PC is losing $$$ big time on the product, and they ARE pissed at Microsoft's leveraged "insistance" that they pursue this market. Notice what savvy computer brands are NOT in the Tablet market? Sony, Dell and IBM.

This would be another suicide step by Apple if they pursue this concept.
 
Just out of curiosity, are there any Tablet PCs of comparable size to this rumored device? I'm not sure Apple is trying to do just a "me too."
 
Re: Even the Windows Tablet PC's aren't selling!

Originally posted by websterphreaky
Our magazine (Tech-edge e-zine) got sucked into this Mac Tablet BS the day before MWSF, which never materialized of course.

We've just done a two month "user review" and survey which will be published laterthis month, on the Gateway Tablet PC (the best one out there). While most people thought the Tablet concept was "interesting", not a single person that tried it, or anyone we polled on our weekend radio show, said they would buy ANY Tablet type computer.

Why? Very simple; it's application is far too focused, as opposed to the universal use of a full notebook!

We've found that every PC manufacturer that has released a Tablet PC is losing $$$ big time on the product, and they ARE pissed at Microsoft's leveraged "insistance" that they pursue this market. Notice what savvy computer brands are NOT in the Tablet market? Sony, Dell and IBM.

This would be another suicide step by Apple if they pursue this concept.


so maybe it isn't going to be a tablet pc? ;)


i know *i* could sure use a finely crafted dvd case.
 
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