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I think anyone imagining this is a laptop replacement... ie. 80%+ the capability of a macbook is smoking crack. This is why i believe the rumours of $2000 are just BS.

There is zero point to Apple introducing a device that will quite clearly compete with existing Macbooks and Macbook pros. When Jobs rejoined Apple he made it very clear they would have a cleanly defined product lineup, stripping all extraneous models. For the most part he's stuck to that philosophy for the last decade.

They basically own the highend in laptops and desktops, it's a zero sum game for them to do much more than add multitouch gestures to a laptops track pad or provide a multitouch mose. (btw i believe they'll introduce a multitouch keyboard before long.)

The new markets that they'll push are more akin embedded consumer electronics, ipod, iphone and appletv typify these. An embedded computer system in a CE device that raises the function beyond that of its competitors. Apple is not blind to the rise of the netbook, and yes i do believe they want to play in that field. On their own terms. So you'll get a netbook equivalent, a bit more expensive, functionally maybe a step ahead and a design that turns heads and grabs headlines. So for Digitimes to come out with a claim of a $2000 tablets either sounds like someone spoiling the rumour mill, trying to short appl, or someone who's really got the wrong end of the stick.

M.:rolleyes:
 
BTW, it maybe true that the mythical tablet appears in Q2 or at the start of 2H, because if anything the rise of the app store has taught Apple that given a well designed SDK and end to end fair distribution model can result in a huge selling point for the device. I'm expecting an announcement in March alongside iPhone OS X 4.0 and an updated SDK dealing with larger format devices, multifinger gestures and enhanced builtin apps like mail and safari, who's functionality increases on higher resolution displays. They then release said tablet in June/July, just before or alongside iPhone v4.

I expect Apple originally thought in 2008, that they'd throw the SDK out the door and end up with a couple of thousand apps. The sheer number and diversity has taken them by surprise and is why now any advert about the iphone is all about the amazing things that 3rd party apps bring to the platform.

I also expect a few exclusives and home grown apps will appear in the near future to help secure the iPhone platform as the place to go for downloadable extras. The iSlate will have a piece of that pie too.

EDIT: i started this post with a clear sense of purpose and got distracted along the way. My point is they'll have to announce the tablet, before they release the tablet, just like they did with the iPhone in Jan 2007. Developers will get an SDK, magazine/paper publishers will get a document format/platform and there'll be a push to get custom content ready for the launch of the iSlate.

M. :D
 
...it's a complete redesign of every UI, with bigger icons, no concept of a right click,...

Note that Windows Mobile implements "right-click" via "click-hold" - if you keep pressure on the screen, after a short delay the context menu pops up.

Windows 7 multi-touch implements "right-click" via "Want to right-click on something? Touch it with one finger and tap the screen with a second on the screen."


...on top of that you've got to get all your partners to adopt it too.

It's nice when apps are reworked to really exploit the features of multi-touch, however you can get a lot of mileage by having the touch system default to existing paradigms. For example, if you drag your from bottom to top of a page of text, that can generate the window events that correspond to using the scroll bar. (Witness how no application needs to do anything special if you have a wheel mouse - the OS maps wheel motion into scroll bar events.)
 
i want to run photoshop on it
doesnt have to be a screamer
but should at least run it
macbook air specs for example

and pen support

then i buy it
in a heartbeat
 
I can read books on my MBP
I can listen to music on my MBP
I can watch video on my MBP
I can access the internet on the go with my MBP

So what is my compelling reason to buy this thing? Long battery life and the ability to read newspapers and magazines (for me). But I ain't gonna shell out $2000 just to read the newspaper on my daily commute. I also just do not see that the battery life on this thign is going to be as long as my Sony 505 e-reader.

Still puzzled at this whole tablet thing, and becoming more pessimistic as time goes by, and less like to fall under the effects of the reality distortion field.

Tom

I think they maybe aiming at new comers to Apple products.
 
I can read books on my MBP
I can listen to music on my MBP
I can watch video on my MBP
I can access the internet on the go with my MBP

So what is my compelling reason to buy this thing? Long battery life and the ability to read newspapers and magazines (for me). But I ain't gonna shell out $2000 just to read the newspaper on my daily commute. I also just do not see that the battery life on this thign is going to be as long as my Sony 505 e-reader.

Still puzzled at this whole tablet thing, and becoming more pessimistic as time goes by, and less like to fall under the effects of the reality distortion field.

Tom

If it costs $2000, and is as big as a MBP, then you've got a point. After all, you can get a Modbook for that ... and in the Windows world, they showed that high priced, laptop sized, tablets (ie. priced as high as a non-tablet) didn't sell at all. For that category, what you need is a convertible tablet (a laptop with a swivel screen), and even those aren't major sellers.

But what does seem to be attractive to the market are low-priced, low-powered, mid-range devices (5"-10" screens). Basically, netbooks without keyboards ... that are optimized for certain tasks. The Archos media player tablets (5", 7", 9"), Amazon Kindle and Kindle DX, the Sony e-reader you mention. Especially if they're usable for general purpose tasks (web browsing, email, maybe PIM, maybe taking notes in a meeting, reading e-books or documents on the go). And now we're seeing an emergence of Android devices in that space (so, they not only can do general purpose tasks, they have software add-ons for even more tasks).

The price has to be under $600ish, it has to be both usable for general purpose tasks, and a strong primary task. The new Archos 5 IT is a 5" media player with LOTS of video and music support (on a screen that blows away any iPod) ... and it's also a general purpose Android tablet. The B&N nook is a 6" e-reader ... and a general purpose Android device.

Now, back to your MBP. Can you put your MBP into a large jacket pocket? Because people seem to be doing that with their Archos 5 ITs. Or can you put it into a small gadget bag (no need for a specialized, giant, and annoying, laptop bag)? I put my 9" netbook into a courier bag that's too small for an MBP ... and quite enjoy the fact that I'm not lugging around one of those dinosaurs. Yet, I there definitely times that I wish my netbook was a tablet or convertible tablet (easier to read on a slate than on a clamshell). And I absolutely would love to see you balancing your MBP on your lap, on the over-mountain pass commute I do every day. Yet, those of us with netbooks and tablets have no problem solidly holding the smaller devices with one hand while going about our tasks. Meanwhile, the laptop users are having to stop what they're doing and grab on to their laptop through every curve of the pass ... and even in between those moments, they're precariously balancing them on their laps.

Laptops are NOT ultra-portable. They're luggable. Lighter and smaller than the luggables of the 1980's and early 1990's, but still just luggable. A 5"-10" device, on the other hand, is much easier to use "on the go" than a laptop. Yet, they're also big enough to run a desktop OS (not for power applications, but for fidelity of running the same environment).

For me, 9" or 10" is the ideal screen size. And I can fit that in half the foot print of a MBP or MBA ... Where they say you can put a MBA into a large shipping envelope, I can put many of the 9" tablets (and some 10" ones) into a 6"x9.5" (A10) envelope. The mobility of such a device is MUCH better than a 13"+ laptop. And, yet, the target price of the devics I'm talking about ... $500. Less than half the price of a low-end MBP, and 1/3 the price of the starting MBA.

If what we're talking about (as you said) is "reading an ebook", "listening to music", "watching video", or "accessing the internet", why would I pay $1200+ for a MBP or MBA, when I can pay $500 for a device that does all of that (and more), use it more comfortably, use it in more mobile situations, and have less encumbrance in doing so?

There's no question that an MBP or MBA can do all of the same things (except "be held in a tablet mode", unless you modbook it). If they couldn't, there'd be a serious problem. But the point is: for the tasks we're talking about, an MBP or MBA* is over-kill. Over-kill in price, size, and CPU.

(* or any other full size, $1200+, laptop, whether it's from Apple, HP, Lenovo, Dell, Gateway, etc.)


For me, an Apple Tablet only makes sense in the 6"-10" size, for well under $1000 (under $750). It's not going to compete with the MBP or MBA (and probably not with the Macbook, either) because it will be lower powered, and less featured. But it should still be running "real OS X", and not iPhone OS X. You're not going to run Photoshop on it (you _can_, but it will be so painfully slow and small that you'll want to rip your hair out), but you should be able to run the common and/or light tasks (Mail, Address Book, Safari, light/low-end text editors, remote desktop, iTunes, Quicktime player, Kindle for Mac, B&N eReader for Mac, Preview, or other 3rd party add-ons that you want to run).

(it could be done with iPhone OS X, but I wouldn't buy that ... for my own reasons, it has to be Mac OS X; and I'd only buy a 9" or 10" one ... if the rumors of the 6" tablet come true, but not the 10" tablet, then I wont be buying that, either ... there are enough 10" Android device choices out there, that I'll go with one of those over a 6" iPhone-based tablet)
 


Digitimes claims that Apple is planning on postponing the launch of their long rumored tablet device from March to the second half of 2010 as they make some final adjustments to the device's components.

According to their sources, Apple is working with Foxconn Electronics (Hon Hai Precision Industry), Quanta Computer and Pegatron Technology in the manufacturing of two different tablet PCs, one with a 10.6 inch TFT LCD while the other will have a 9.7-inch OLED panel. The reason for the delay is speculated to be related to the relatively high cost of the OLED panel itself which could bring the total cost of the device near $2000. Meanwhile, the 10.6 inch LCD device is estimated to cost around $800-$1000.

It's not clear why Apple would release two such similarly sized models if the only difference was the screen technology. Another interesting possibility, however, mentioned in the article is that the cost of the tablet could be discounted with 3G service, as has been done on the iPhone.

Meanwhile, publishers are already planning ahead for the possibility of a device. Conde Nast is reportedly readying a digital version of Wired magazine in anticipation of increasing popularity of these tablets.

Article Link: Apple Tablet Delayed with OLED Model Planned? 3G Possible?

I can certainly see Wired magazine wanting to take advantage of the Tablet as they have been pretty desperate to stop bleeding their number of subscribed readers. But Apple releasing two similar-sized tablets seem wrong. Even with the lower spec on one, I don't think it's what Jobs would, at least not right off the bat. My guess is that he will probably announce a single unit in January and then variations possibly mid-year or later.
 
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