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Apple Tablet Operating System Claims: 'A Good Bit of New Sexy'
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Here is a thought: Before you try and rip me a new one, try reading what I post a little more carefully!
I don't think people here have a problem understanding that iPhone OS is from OS X. I was stating that when creating the OS for iSlate, Apple will start with the iPhone OS and go from there, NOT start with desktop OS X and go from there! It is extremely logical if you give it a little thought! There has been MUCH debate about that in this and many other forums, some that I have personally started. So don't preach self righteousness to me when you lack interpretation and the knowledge of what I have seen and discussed on this site MANY times!
I just want to say that along with AidenShaw & kdarling, your opinions are the ones that impress me the most. Not only here but AppleInsider as well. In this thread you have made some ridiculous insinuations in defense of Apple. I will say that you know more than me but don't let your preferences cloud your judgement. We are all Apple fans, otherwise we would not be here, but you have gone overboard in some of your comments. I'm not posting for the sake of admonishing you because you know more than I do regarding tech.
I must say there has been too much of a sense of fanboyism in these threads about the tablet. We are talking about a device that, from all rumors, is only meant as an e-reading media player that can cost up to $1000. There may be some that view this as a value but there is no way that most of us can say that we read magazines and newspapers enough to justify that price when we can getthe information for free already. I don't mention books because that is an advantage to the Kindle rather than Apple.
We all view the App Store as an advantage over it's competitors but living within their rules certainly will not make it what we generallly consider a computer today.
Oh please, what did you have to "learn" with the iPhone OS? It's pretty much all there in front of you and you should expect the same from all future OSes. The OS will be completely transparent.
PMSL
Maybe this new interface will use the touch controls with different body parts?
(Actually I hope not - its bad enough wiping of fingerprints for the iPhone
)Yes, this "rumor" was very lame, not at all worthy of being posted here or anywhere else. I could have said this crap about the tablet's OS, and I haven't seen it yet either...
" Apple's tablet will run an operating system reasonably different from both iPhone OS and Mac OS X."
Won't this just cause headaches in the future? Software that works on OS X but not the Tablet, tablet emulators for OS X etc. Why not just have it run OS X??
Won't this just cause headaches in the future? Software that works on OS X but not the Tablet, tablet emulators for OS X etc. Why not just have it run OS X??
it'll still be BSD based (same as iPhone and OSX), it'll just have a nice flashy skin on it and remove all the cruft that it doesn't need.
--Zed
What if it isn't a "tablet" at all?
Hi -
What if the Apple "tablet" isn't a tablet at all but rather a device that allows you to use ANY surface as a tablet. What if the device projects the UI onto your hand, a wall, a plain piece of paper?
Google "SixthSense" especially any videos on TED.
Hi -
What if the Apple "tablet" isn't a tablet at all but rather a device that allows you to use ANY surface as a tablet. What if the device projects the UI onto your hand, a wall, a plain piece of paper?
Google "SixthSense" especially any videos on TED.
That wouldn't be nice at all. We've evolved to use our hands to manipulate the space around us. I used to have a canon camera that focused on where you were looking, and I found that tedious. Trying to navigate a user interface would be worse, especially since some things will require my hands be on the screen anyway (voice recognition won't cut it, so most of us will have to type, etc.)
Agreed. Eye and head tracking is extremely impractical for a mobile device in particular. I find it bad enough using TrackIR in a flight sim where I turn my head but strain my eyes to keep it on the focus point on a single 23" monitor. And constant eye refocusing is just headache inducing.
Good design and innovation is not trying to shovel in futuristic concepts where they are not needed.
Don't know why people keep insist on repeating the same thing all over again. It's a device that can do multiple things. iPhone is an e-reader as well and a media player, that doesn't make it any different from any other smartphone.
Because the tablet is a totally different way to interact than your typical computers. It's meant to be used with your hands or a stylus, not keyboard and mouse. As such, it will require customized software to be fully utilized. That's what the App store will bring and unlike the software model on the Macs, the App store is much more successful and best way to get software all tablet users at once.
For the record it will run OS X, just a custom build of it just like iPhone is running a custom build of OS X.
It is going to be this -
Apple's patent applications always provide an interesting peek into what Apple researchers have been working on. In one of the more interesting patent applications we've discovered, Apple appears to be researching 3D displays in which the user will be able to look around an object.
In order to view a 3D object from various angles on your screen at present, you are required to use the mouse or keyboard to manipulate the object. This might simply involve clicking and dragging to pan or rotate an object. While functional, Apple considers this to be unintuitive and potentially frustrating to new users.
Apple proposes that a display could change the perspective of the 3D objects based on the users' relative position. Said display would detect the user's position through any suitable approach (such as video, infrared, electromagnetic fields etc...). Video, of course, is the most likely possibility with a camera mounted at the top of the display itself, thus allowing the computer to determine the user's location and position. The user could then move their head left and right to look around a 3D object as shown in the example image above. Apple also suggests that it could also be applied to 2D objects like windows to provide some added depth to traditionally flat objects:
In fact, Apple suggests that software could be so advanced as to incorporate elements of the user's environments into the scene on the display.
For example, the electronic device may define visual properties of different surfaces of the displayed object (e.g., reflection and refraction characteristics), and apply the visual properties to the portions of the detected image mapped on each surface. Using this approach, surfaces with low reflectivity (e.g., plastic surfaces) may not reflect the environment, but may reflect light, while surfaces with high reflectivity (e.g., polished metal or chrome) may reflect both the environment (e.g., the user's face as detected by the camera) and light. To further enhance the user's experience, the detected environment may be reflected differently along curved surfaces of a displayed object (e.g., as if the user were actually moving around the displayed object and seeing his reflection based on his position and the portion of the object reflecting the image).
Apple has been researching these sorts of novel display types for years. Back in 1995, they had even had a similar system built in the lab and referred to these displays as "Hyper Reality" displays. Apple, of course, is not the only company working on such technology. This YouTube video shows this system in action (thanks djellison) on a make-shift Wii system, demoed by Johnny Lee:
And you will be able to type, mouse, etc. using the posterior surface of the tablet as well as the front. Multiple patents point to this, as have been noted here and other sites for years. If connected to an HDTV, you will be able to look around the landscape such as in a game and move the tablet to interact. Multiple patents concerning posterior tablet typing and facial recognition suggest that this will also be involved - thus, the "learning curve."
Apple's patent applications always provide an interesting peek into what Apple researchers have been working on. In one of the more interesting patent applications we've discovered, Apple appears to be researching 3D displays in which the user will be able to look around an object.
In order to view a 3D object from various angles on your screen at present, you are required to use the mouse or keyboard to manipulate the object. This might simply involve clicking and dragging to pan or rotate an object. While functional, Apple considers this to be unintuitive and potentially frustrating to new users.
Apple proposes that a display could change the perspective of the 3D objects based on the users' relative position. Said display would detect the user's position through any suitable approach (such as video, infrared, electromagnetic fields etc...). Video, of course, is the most likely possibility with a camera mounted at the top of the display itself, thus allowing the computer to determine the user's location and position. The user could then move their head left and right to look around a 3D object as shown in the example image above. Apple also suggests that it could also be applied to 2D objects like windows to provide some added depth to traditionally flat objects:
In fact, Apple suggests that software could be so advanced as to incorporate elements of the user's environments into the scene on the display.
For example, the electronic device may define visual properties of different surfaces of the displayed object (e.g., reflection and refraction characteristics), and apply the visual properties to the portions of the detected image mapped on each surface. Using this approach, surfaces with low reflectivity (e.g., plastic surfaces) may not reflect the environment, but may reflect light, while surfaces with high reflectivity (e.g., polished metal or chrome) may reflect both the environment (e.g., the user's face as detected by the camera) and light. To further enhance the user's experience, the detected environment may be reflected differently along curved surfaces of a displayed object (e.g., as if the user were actually moving around the displayed object and seeing his reflection based on his position and the portion of the object reflecting the image).
Apple has been researching these sorts of novel display types for years. Back in 1995, they had even had a similar system built in the lab and referred to these displays as "Hyper Reality" displays. Apple, of course, is not the only company working on such technology. This YouTube video shows this system in action (thanks djellison) on a make-shift Wii system, demoed by Johnny Lee:
And you will be able to type, mouse, etc. using the posterior surface of the tablet as well as the front. Multiple patents point to this, as have been noted here and other sites for years. If connected to an HDTV, you will be able to look around the landscape such as in a game and move the tablet to interact. Multiple patents concerning posterior tablet typing and facial recognition suggest that this will also be involved - thus, the "learning curve."
That all sounds cool and all, but I can't help but question the marketability of a device built entirely around augemented reality. But then again I do not work for Apple.
probably compatible, but they may look out-of-place. I suspect most decent apps (at least the ones that earn any money for their authors) will be updated to fully support the tablet.
My guess (based only on a hunch) is that existing iPhone apps will run like Dashboard widgets: not full screen but at their native resolution in an applet-style window.
I seriously doubt this will have it's own OS, b/c the iPhone OS is already so good (and well understood but programmers inside and outside of Apple). Whatever new functionality will show up with some additional (programming language) classes, but I expect the underlying OS to be 95% identical.
I also expect (again, just a hunch) that there will be a defined way -- with example code provided -- to write/rewrite iPhone apps to support both devices depending on which hardware the app is running on.
My guess with a slight twist on yours is that apps will have two new 'modes' other than landscape and vertical. Now you will have windowed mode which will be in the iPhone dimensions, and then a full screen tablet mode. Developers will have to turn on and code for this functionality like they need to do for landscape. Some kind of gesture will make it switch between these two modes when the app runs on the tablet while it will be locked to the iPhone dimension mode when the app is on an iPhone.
The table will run the exact same OS as the iPhone but a few extra things available to developers like multi task support allowing multiple windowed apps as explained above to run and be viewed at the same time. It makes more sense to me that as a less portable device, battery life issues will be less a factor. And of course a new way to interface with the device. But underneath the OS is the same and all iPhone apps will run on it.
At least that seems the most likely in my mind. It may be delusional, but it just seems likely to me.
May guess is that with tablet we will be using the same App Store and just like with iPhone OS 3.0 new apps will be tablet compatible (fullscreen mode) with two modes one for iPhone and one for tablet. If you download that app on iPhone that app will run in iPhone mode, if on tablet - tablet mode. And older apps will run like widgets. But with Apple you never know until they smack you with pure brilliance in a way you would never think of.