Apple Tablet Operating System Claims: 'A Good Bit of New Sexy'

I can't imagine doing a lot of things on a touchscreen that you can easily do even with a crappy netbook physical keyboard.
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And by the way, MacBook Air is NOT a netbook. I am surprised someone with an Apple-centric techno blog doesn't know that ;) And no it won't be gone - I will bet $500 against your $50. However, something tells me you won't be around on Jan 28, when I show up to collect. :D
Really? What tells you that, my macrumors join date? I'll be here. You should have seen the laughs at my predictions well before the iPhone showed. But they were much more right than wrong.

You want a physical keyboard, you can have one. Get a Bluetooth keyboard, maybe one that doesn't need lugging. If Apple supports them, there will be plenty of light, complementary ones appearing. MacBooks will still exist too. But most won't bother with a BT keyboard. And the Air will go. I wouldn't be surprised if Steve pulls the tablet out of a _small_ envelope this time.
 
First, you only have to lug a physical keyboard if you _want_ a physical keyboard for the thing. Which you won't. But you can have it if you want.

Second, this tablet will surely be a replacement for many netbooks. What do people use netbooks for - browsing, EMail, watching video, and taking notes. On this device, do that and add screen sharing and reading publications. And it will run all App Store apps. Life will be good. MacBook Air will be gone. I betcha a buck.

Not if it cost $800+ and Apple don't come up with killer apps. It's never going to replace 200-300$ netbook for just doing basic web surfing and email.
 
Nope shootingbstraight and tired of people trying to run Apples business.

?! I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not...
Not! The complainers don't have a leg to stand on.
How is the AppStore open?
How is it not? Conform to the SDK and other agreements and your app is published.
Apple decide what Applications can be published
How is the iPhone an open platform? Apple decide what applications users can / cannot install
First off Apple only controls app it offers on its store. As has been pointed out repeatedly there are alternatives. Putting your head in the sand and denying this doesn't make it any less a fact.

Frankly that control is very minimal and only strives to deal with certain problems or issues.
If the AppStore / iPhone / Touch was an open as OSX, I don't think people would have a problem.
It wouldn't make any difference, mist of this noise comes from people who just need something to whine about. Considering there are over 100,000 apps in app store right now, people would have to have s$&t for brains to see Apples policies as a problem.
There is a vast difference between the 'openness' of OSX and iPhone.
I can also make an arguement that there are more apps for iPhone too. Moreso it is easier to maintain and update your software on iPhone. In many ways the model Apple offers up on iPhone is far better than what exists on the Mac.
OSX being very open with very little restrictions of what type of applications can be developed, installed and obtained from, and iPhone on the other side of the spectrum with Apple deciding almost everything.

What you seem to mis is that iPhone targets a different use case than tthe Mac. Plus Apple is acting as vendor for iPhone software.

Like any store the management sets the standards for what will be sold there. Look at it this way; say you drive down to a local intersection where there are two gas station. One has a magazine rack loaded with porn the other doesn't. Using your logic the one without the porn should be forced to sell porn.

That is Bull S&$t, vile and disgusting. It would be like forcing a store selling ladies clothing to waste half their floor plan on mend clothing.

Mind you I'm not against porn. What I'm against is ignorant back seat driving by people who think they are being damaged by Apple having standards for their store. I'm not even saying Apple is perfect in their management of the store, just that it is their ship to sail. The fact is app store has become huge and people respect that Apple tries to maintain a level respectability.

Dave
 
Not! The complainers don't have a leg to stand on.

How is it not? Conform to the SDK and other agreements and your app is published.

Really? What part of the SDK or other agreement did google not conform to that is resulting in a pocket veto of google voice?
 
Ugggh

There is nothing less sexy than a computer nerd calling a computer "sexy." ugh. That headline just gives me the creeps. "A good bit of new sexy..." It sounds like he's talking about his fleshlight.

Talk like a person!
 
No Intel CPU = new OS

My prediction:

It can't run an Intel processor, because of power requirements & Apple doesn't want this to be compared to a netbook.
That means not the PC version of OSX.
But the iPhone version would need changes to leverage the bigger form factor.
So: a new OS. Closer to, or a superset of, the iPhone version.

"Keyboard" is split in the lower corners, so that the virtual keys are under your thumbs if you're holding it in two hands; also arranged so that you can set the device down and type with all your fingers.

Wi-Fi built in, of course. 3G hardware may be present but 3G contract won't be required.

Sexy as anything, but they won't sell many. Remember the reaction to the Air? People loved it, but when people thought about their next purchase 90% went with regular notebooks.
 
Why?

- I can actually download files and use it with multiple apps w/o being sandboxed
- I can download any app I want
- I can zip and archive files (vice versa applies)
- I can play other formats besides mp3, aac & mp4
- I can covert file formats
- I can attach an external hard drive and format it
- I can add Safari plugins like 1Password to the browser instead of the gimped version on the iPhone
- I can play Flash videos even though I hate Flash with a passion
- I can use Click2Flash to block Flash
- I can download a mail attachment and edit it without having to do painful workarounds
- I can use any browser of my choice
- I can choose to buy my music or movies from places other than iTunes if I so choose

The list goes on…

It's fine that people want to buy this product. I just feel that $1000 would be better well spent but that is my opinion alone. The App Store is really good thing but it shouldn't be forced upon us. I just don't want a company telling me what to do with hardware I bought.

As I've said, I'm relatively ok with this on the iPhone because for me it is a phone first and there is a large jailbreak community out there.

str1f3 said it better than I could.

I would add: Develop and run my own apps and scripts without approval from Apple, or need for sharing a device key (as is the current process with iPhone - and limits you to number of devices last I checked).

All we're saying is that if this turns out to be more closed-iphone-esque platform it becomes less attractive to power users who would like a tablet platform more like a traditional macbook/pc where we can do anything on it / to it, without approval from Apple HQ.

It's fine if that's what apple wants to make, and maybe they will be successful at it, but I don't think it will fly as well as iPhone has. With iPhone they revolutionized a platform that everyone was already using - the phone. Very few people are using tablets right now, and certainly having a tablet computer isn't considered a must-have for everyone like cell-phones are. So the market is smaller. To limit that market further by limiting what can be done with the device and how it can be used, is not the best idea if you're trying to deploy a new platform. Which we're all hoping happens.

If it's just "a big iPhone", then fine, but if it's "not just a big iPhone", then they should let us use it like a computer. And they just might, we're just speculating on the possibility that they won't and how much that will suck, and prevent us from buying them, unless we really want a $1000 iPod that is also an eReader, that plays games. umm...ya I'll take 3 so I can keep one in my ferrari and one at the beach house too :rolleyes:
 
str1f3 said it better than I could.

I would add: Develop and run my own apps and scripts without approval from Apple, or need for sharing a device key (as is the current process with iPhone - and limits you to number of devices last I checked).

The certificates also expire (in three or six months), so you have to constantly be reinstalling all the apps you write.
 
My prediction:
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"Keyboard" is split in the lower corners, so that the virtual keys are under your thumbs if you're holding it in two hands; also arranged so that you can set the device down and type with all your fingers.

The corner-split keyboard was done with the Microsoft Origami thing...remember that? I saw photos of Samsung devices that had that kind of on-screen keyboard.

It makes sense you'd want a way to type holding the device with both hands. That's how I type on my iPhone with 2 thumbs. With the device being bigger than an iphone it seems like they would need to split the keyboard this way.

I don't really see them copying Origami for this though.

I'm guessing it will be something completely different...maybe even with a "steep learning curve" that none of us have thought of before.

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The certificates also expire (in three or six months), so you have to constantly be reinstalling all the apps you write.

Ah...I never got that far...I lost interest after applying and waiting something like 3 months to get approved to be a developer. I did pay the $99 and got the hello world app deployed to my personal phone. Once I figured out I would be unable to easily share my apps with anyone until I went through the whole approval process and got it into iTunes, I gave up and went back to Visual Studio.

There is a class of developer in the world that just hacks little scripts and apps out that do interesting things but that aren't publishable, robust, applications that you would find in an App store. The iPhone is not for us tinkerers... Hell we couldn't even have a forum discussing how to develop for the damn thing until they changed the rules on that...remember?
 
Ah...I never got that far...I lost interest after applying and waiting something like 3 months to get approved to be a developer. I did pay the $99 and got the hello world app deployed to my personal phone. Once I figured out I would be unable to easily share my apps with anyone until I went through the whole approval process and got it into iTunes, I gave up and went back to Visual Studio.

There is a class of developer in the world that just hacks little scripts and apps out that do interesting things but that aren't publishable, robust, applications that you would find in an App store. The iPhone is not for us tinkerers... Hell we couldn't even have a forum discussing how to develop for the damn thing until they changed the rules on that...remember?

I sure do.

On the positive side, having programmed in C++ for many years (and in kiddy languages like Perl, Pascal, C, assembly, etc. for many more), iPhone did get me to finally learn objective-C, and it has become my favorite language by far.

But I do end up publishing apps to the appstore for no reason other than to distribute them to my wife's phone without having to constantly renew certificates.
 
While there is no actual information that we didn't already know here, it is still a little sad that the device will not run a true version of Mac OS. But we knew that. First of all, the iWhatever will not be x86-based--it's either PPC or ARM. If you look through the 10.6 frameworks and extensions, you will notice that the kernel and many other critical components are universal binaries (most things that are not related to graphics and/or OpenCL). Apple wouldn't have continued multi-platform development on only parts of Snow Leopard if they had intended to release a tablet device with a full build.

I don't see Apple walking away from the App Store model for this device.
Sadly this is true. Clearly, they are not going to turn down an assload of coldhard now that they have discovered how to play the app store game.
 
Speculation

Based on the fact that Apple is known for being early adopters of industry standards (wireless N anyone?) who wants to bet the new tablet will be able to receive TV signals?
 
How is it not? Conform to the SDK and other agreements and your app is published.

You mean like this developer? Please explain to us what part of "SDK and other agreements" he didn't conform to.

First off Apple only controls app it offers on its store. As has been pointed out repeatedly there are alternatives. Putting your head in the sand and denying this doesn't make it any less a fact.

Really? There are alternative non-Apple app stores where I can get apps for my iPhone? Do tell.
 
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The ho-hum introductions at CES is really setting up Apple perfectly. Steve Balmer must secretly have Apple stock! LOL!

Well, ironically recall that as part of their settlement in 1997 with Apple over the Windows GUI, and Quicktime components, Microsoft was forced to buy $150M in Apple stock ( non voting of course ). These were preferred shares, and when it was allowed, they were they converted into common stock in 2000 for a total of 18.2 M Shares, which Microsoft sold in 2003. If they still had them now they would be worth $3.8B ( @ $210/share ).
I bet Balmer secretly DOES have Apple stock!!! :)
 
And you hold the tablet with your third hand.

Lol. Well I assume holding the tablet on your lap or on a table with a stand might allow you to have two hands free. One great advantage is two player games, like air hockey.

My prediction:

It can't run an Intel processor, because of power requirements & Apple doesn't want this to be compared to a netbook.
That means not the PC version of OSX.
But the iPhone version would need changes to leverage the bigger form factor.
So: a new OS. Closer to, or a superset of, the iPhone version.

"Keyboard" is split in the lower corners, so that the virtual keys are under your thumbs if you're holding it in two hands; also arranged so that you can set the device down and type with all your fingers.

Wi-Fi built in, of course. 3G hardware may be present but 3G contract won't be required.

Sexy as anything, but they won't sell many. Remember the reaction to the Air? People loved it, but when people thought about their next purchase 90% went with regular notebooks.

Everybody should know by now that the tablet is going to be running a custom build of OSX, just like iPhone is running a custom build of OSX. They all will have similar APIs, Apple isn't that stupid to develop an API completely different and strange just to piss the devs off. It'll have a common theme among all three apps and with the huge success of the App store, the
developers are not going to complain about it.

The problem is still the size of the screen, the benefits of having virtual side keyboard is not going to fit well with a 10" screen, the smaller, the more efficient it would be.

Of course the contract will not be required, it'll be the same setup as iPhone/iPod touch. People nowadays cutting down on costs, at least I hope they are but the way the economy is recovering slowly, it looks like they are spending within their means. But i could be talking out of my ass. I just hope people don't fall into that trap of trying to get thetablet with 2 years contract just because it has a cheaper price. Too many people don't realize how much they spend overall with 2 years contract.


As for the 90% buying regular notebooks, that had to do with the high price of the Air. If it was selling for less than 1300$ it would be a hot seller. People still love Air and would love to get them but not when netbooks can be had for 300$ or less. It's about cost justification.

Apple can survive with a low volume market, they thrives on high margin sales. There are enough people who'll just buy the tablet regardless of the cost.

Another operating system with pervasive multi-touch supports 100 fingers in its APIs - so you and 11 of your friends could gesture!

I don't know if you saw it, there's a video of 3M monitor with more than 10 fingers multitouch capability. You can find it at engadget.

While there is no actual information that we didn't already know here, it is still a little sad that the device will not run a true version of Mac OS. But we knew that. First of all, the iWhatever will not be x86-based--it's either PPC or ARM. If you look through the 10.6 frameworks and extensions, you will notice that the kernel and many other critical components are universal binaries (most things that are not related to graphics and/or OpenCL). Apple wouldn't have continued multi-platform development on only parts of Snow Leopard if they had intended to release a tablet device with a full build.


Sadly this is true. Clearly, they are not going to turn down an assload of coldhard now that they have discovered how to play the app store game.

There's no false version of Mac OS. iPhone is running a custom build of Mac OS X and so will iSlate.

PPC is completely dead to Apple. They will not go back to that. They have ARM version of OS X running on their iPhones/iPod Touch, there's nothing special about it. They'll just build a custom build of OS X for the tablet, nothing difficult. It'll require a bit more engineering resources but I am sure Apple can handle it.

App Store is a must for the tablet, it'll encourage the software developers to develop the next generation of software that'll take full advantages of the tablet's capability. We don't want people to simply port their Mac apps to the tablet, we want them to customize it for the tablet. That's the killer app that'll ensure some kind of success for the tablet that none of the Windows tablet have succeeded before due to them just slapping Windows on top of it and doing nothing special (before W7 of course).
Well, what do we have here? "Apple Tablet cases - Coming soon!"

http://www.myincipio.com/category/apple_tablet_cases/

It never ceases to amaze me how people just find that little stuff out of nowhere.
 
'A Good Bit of New Sexy'

So the new iTablet has a desktop wallpaper image of a nude Steve Jobs with strategically placed flowering pot plant. ;)

(And if you think that's bad ... just imagine the Windows tablet version with Gates or Ballmer!!)
 
eye or face tracking

I think Apple could use this launch to take a major leap. eye/face tracking software has been getting better and better... and wouldn't it be nice to navigate a device without your hands getting in the way? This would be typical Apple... everyone is talking about touchscreens, and they change the game. Anyway, that's my call.
 
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