And they will have gained a shot at the even more millions of people who haven't bought an iPhone (for many, because the display is too small).
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Apple Tablet to Run iPhone OS and Launch in May or June 2010?
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And they will have gained a shot at the even more millions of people who haven't bought an iPhone (for many, because the display is too small).
Homerpalooza
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Hmm...
First thought was "Oh, will this also not have Flash available in it?
Second thought was ... I wonder if they could create an OS that allows virtualization of the iPhone OS within it.
You turn it on when you want it to be a "super phone" or iPod Touch and have access to your apps. You flip it back to OS 11 or whatever when you want to access a "full" iTunes experience + OS X applications, etc.
I've gotten quite used to being able to run any operating system I want on my Mac. Even run OS X in Virtualization mode within my Mac. Linux, Windows 7, WinXP, DOS, whatever.
Why not run iPhone OS in there. There are times I wish I had access to certain apps as "dashboard widgets" on my MBP using Wi-Fi.
Make the Apps easily work as Widgets. I get access to them by hitting F11. Even if it is at the "lower" resolution of the phone.
Homer.
First thought was "Oh, will this also not have Flash available in it?
Second thought was ... I wonder if they could create an OS that allows virtualization of the iPhone OS within it.
You turn it on when you want it to be a "super phone" or iPod Touch and have access to your apps. You flip it back to OS 11 or whatever when you want to access a "full" iTunes experience + OS X applications, etc.
I've gotten quite used to being able to run any operating system I want on my Mac. Even run OS X in Virtualization mode within my Mac. Linux, Windows 7, WinXP, DOS, whatever.
Why not run iPhone OS in there. There are times I wish I had access to certain apps as "dashboard widgets" on my MBP using Wi-Fi.
Make the Apps easily work as Widgets. I get access to them by hitting F11. Even if it is at the "lower" resolution of the phone.
Homer.
Just Like the iPhone in form?
Alright! So slick you can't hold it!I really doubt it looks like a big iPhone. They are slippery little devils. No problem with a case, though.
Remember the announcement of the iPhone 3G where they showed the two bridges for OS X? Maybe they were really referring to the tablet OS more than the iPhone OS. It might be a more advance form of the OS, whose features will bleed down to the iPhone as hardware advances.
Alright! So slick you can't hold it!I really doubt it looks like a big iPhone. They are slippery little devils. No problem with a case, though.
Remember the announcement of the iPhone 3G where they showed the two bridges for OS X? Maybe they were really referring to the tablet OS more than the iPhone OS. It might be a more advance form of the OS, whose features will bleed down to the iPhone as hardware advances.
Tbh, if an iPod Touch with 64GB is a $399 device, you can't squeeze much more power into the thing and give it an ~$800 price tag if it's getting a 10.7" screen.
I could see Apple getting cold feet on this thing. The FB community has hyped it up to be something it just can't accomplish. Full OS X is a 100% unreasonable expectation.
I would put a substantial wager on this being a media pad.
I could see Apple getting cold feet on this thing. The FB community has hyped it up to be something it just can't accomplish. Full OS X is a 100% unreasonable expectation.
I would put a substantial wager on this being a media pad.
bullsh*t
This news is so definateky ********.
Look at the facts:
10.7 inch display, 720 resolution. The resolution for the screen size is way too high.
Still I can live with that.
The biggest flaw with the report:
iPhone OS. Anyone who says that is definitely joking. cmon, apple will never put the software of a phone in a tablet.
The thing is people should seriously stop arguing on whether it'll be mac OS X or iPhone OS, because actually the both of them are the same, based on the same kernel and system components.
Just like it was given a new interface for the iPhone, it'll get a new interface for the tablet. That's how apple works. They're all about software hardware integration, and they won't put an OS that is not optimized for the device.
So yeah if someone says anything to do with if it'll run iPhone OS or OS X, it's full of ****.
seriously, I'm starting to doubt this whole rumour. might not happen at all, though I really do want it to.
Thinking about for the last many months, I know that done right, it'll be an excellent device.
In fact I have an idea about the interface that would be perfect. I have read people'e comments, and noone will have a problem will that idea. It's actually intuitive, simple and effective. But alas, I'm just a 19 year old college student, and have no way to reach out to anyone with my excellent idea.
(btw, if anyone knows a way I can contact apple, please let me know ;-))
This news is so definateky ********.
Look at the facts:
10.7 inch display, 720 resolution. The resolution for the screen size is way too high.
Still I can live with that.
The biggest flaw with the report:
iPhone OS. Anyone who says that is definitely joking. cmon, apple will never put the software of a phone in a tablet.
The thing is people should seriously stop arguing on whether it'll be mac OS X or iPhone OS, because actually the both of them are the same, based on the same kernel and system components.
Just like it was given a new interface for the iPhone, it'll get a new interface for the tablet. That's how apple works. They're all about software hardware integration, and they won't put an OS that is not optimized for the device.
So yeah if someone says anything to do with if it'll run iPhone OS or OS X, it's full of ****.
seriously, I'm starting to doubt this whole rumour. might not happen at all, though I really do want it to.
Thinking about for the last many months, I know that done right, it'll be an excellent device.
In fact I have an idea about the interface that would be perfect. I have read people'e comments, and noone will have a problem will that idea. It's actually intuitive, simple and effective. But alas, I'm just a 19 year old college student, and have no way to reach out to anyone with my excellent idea.
(btw, if anyone knows a way I can contact apple, please let me know ;-))
ipod was a slow seller until Apple ported iTunes to Windows
iphone was a disaster until the first price cut saved it. then it was on life suport until the 3G with the app store and Exchange compatibility
i bet this gizmo will be overpriced and under featured in it's first version until Apple marketing listens to all the complaints and wishes and fixes them for version 2 or 3
an iphone based os....
It's all well and good having it, having average joe being able to simply download a load of 'paid-for' rubbish apps keeping the itunes machine fuelled, I'm sure it'd be ok like that.
I wouldn't buy it though (not that I think I'm convinced about the form factor..), I'd like a real computer.
It's all well and good having it, having average joe being able to simply download a load of 'paid-for' rubbish apps keeping the itunes machine fuelled, I'm sure it'd be ok like that.
I wouldn't buy it though (not that I think I'm convinced about the form factor..), I'd like a real computer.
flash memory prices fall every year
i still remember the days of $50 512MB SD cards and $200 1GB hard disk drives
People may not read as many books, but they do read web pages. Lots and lots of web pages (and web apps). Where's the device the size of a book that allows people to read both books, and web pages, and run "book-sized" apps? The iPod Touch is perfect except for a display which is too small for people without great eyesight.
to develop for the iphone OS is beautiful and rewarding... easy and intuitive.
Moreover, if you develop for the iphone, I am sure that future SDKs will make it very easy to port the app from one place to the next... which is, again, rewarding... 🙂
sishaw
macrumors 65816
Good post. If this device is real, it will definitely have a market. As you said, for music, apps, games, books (I would add photos and videos) it will sell. I would also add that it could have some minor production ability (think of DocsToGo, for example, which is actually usable on the iPhone but would benefit from a bigger screen). It strikes me as potentially very interesting.
You and I both already have 'real computers' that are capable of doing more than we'll need for a long time. If yours doesn't then no tablet is going to give you more than a desktop.
I want a portable information/media device with a decent size screen.
Guess which one Apple is betting its future on?
Macrumors readers aren't the target audience
With this many reader negatives, the odds increase substantially for it to be a massive Apple success.
With this many reader negatives, the odds increase substantially for it to be a massive Apple success.
You're right - you should've seen these forums when the iPhone was first announced:
"What rubbish", "I'll never buy it", "FAIL".
And I remember when 128MB MemorySticks debuted in our store at $149.
You seem to have completely missed the key word in my post: power. Apple can slam all the memory it wants in the thing, but a respectable level of performance for running OSX in this form factor is just not possible at an $800 price point. Basically people are saying they want something like a weak Mac Mini, but a touchscreen, smaller form factor, and all the other bits thrown in for about $200-300 more.
Edit to add: For $3000 Apple could probably make something that would blow our minds. For ~$800 you'll get a media pad.
cumanzor
macrumors 6502
Absolutely.
They'll only sell 10's of millions of these useless tablets (if they exist at all). They'll only sell 10's of millions to people who didn't get an iPod Touch because the display on the Touch is too small. The first few years.
I expect only 10's of thousands of iPhone developers will line up to customize their apps for this useless tablet.
And this stupid idea that people have to sit down to use their computer will become another historical artifact, like hand cranking their Babbage engine.
Jobs also said video on mp3 players was not appropriate, and that Blu-Ray is a bag of hurt...with these seemingly contradictory declarations, what he actually means is that Apple is the only company able to REDEFINE demand and REINVENT a market...just wait and see when the Tablet launches.
Just when people started thinking that "Apple is dead" with the Zune HD and Windows 7, these MS things will suddenly look obsolete in the face of Apple's new product...Apple knows when to move on and leave past trends behind.
Why not iPhone OS?
I don't understand why so many people think "iPhone OS" equates to "iPhone clone." The 3GS shows that the performance of the iPhone OS depends a great deal on the hardware on which it's running. Also, the limitations imposed on third-party developers for the iPhone need not, probably would not, be imposed on apps for this rumored device.
The iPhone OS integrates support for a touchscreen-based interface. This is radically different from the keyboard/mouse based interface assumed by OS X. I think it makes perfect sense to evolve the iPhone OS to support a more capable touchscreen hardware platform.
I don't understand why so many people think "iPhone OS" equates to "iPhone clone." The 3GS shows that the performance of the iPhone OS depends a great deal on the hardware on which it's running. Also, the limitations imposed on third-party developers for the iPhone need not, probably would not, be imposed on apps for this rumored device.
The iPhone OS integrates support for a touchscreen-based interface. This is radically different from the keyboard/mouse based interface assumed by OS X. I think it makes perfect sense to evolve the iPhone OS to support a more capable touchscreen hardware platform.
Stately
macrumors 6502a
dicklacara
macrumors 6502a
I don't think you got the point of my post. It is not that "they thought their target audience was too stupid". Rather, their target audience has better things to do with their time (and money) than to invest in complex technology with an unproductive UI.
The OS needs to get out of the way, so the user can do his thing.
BTW, I am over 70. I owned some Apple Computer stores when the Mac (and that ad) were announced! Most of the computers of that era had CLIs (Command Line Interfaces) to primitive DOSes (Disk Operating Systems) as the standard UI.
What the Mac UI did was allow the user to get to his stuff, without remembering, and typing, a lot of cryptic commands.
Now, variations of the Mac-style UI (with kb & mouse) have become the "standard". Users migrated, en masse, to that "standard" UI because they were more productive... to stay mired in the UI of the past could be considered to be... er, well, stupid.
I have 7 Macs, all the Pro apps, including FCS, Photoshop, Canvas... about $10,000 in pro apps and plugins. When I use these I want a full-figured OS like OS X.
But most of the things I do are: surf the net, email, iLife, graze content, etc. These things can be done as well (or better) with the iPhone UI (Spaces on the Mac). Don't need all those windows (and all the OS X capabilities) for most of what I do.
Now, most computer users don't have (or need) $10,000 worth of Pro apps.
I believe that:
-- Apple's Tablet will have an iPhone-like OS (in that it is mainly invisible).
-- MultiTouch input with optional stylus
-- Hand printing, hand writing and shape recognition
-- Multiple Tasking (ala Palm Pre, or Mac OS Switcher), with a CoverFlow task navigation
-- iLife and iWork apps redesigned for iPhone OS and touch
-- Can be used as a peripheral display/touch input to another computer
-- Can use another computer (AppleTV, iPhone, etc.) as a peripheral to the Tablet (kb, scanner, midi, display, etc)
So, this device will do what I need to do 90% of the time. For the other 10% I will use a Mac with Mac OS and Pro apps... But I will use the tablet as an i/O peripheral to complement apps on the Mac [rewritten to recognize and exploit the MultiTouch Tablet].
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Stately
macrumors 6502a
GAWD, teh Stupid is strong in this thread.
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All this whining about it not having this or that or that it HAS to have this to survive when in reality, you guys know absolutely nothing about product design, development, or marketing. Oh individually, you may have expertise in one area and or knowledge about one of the others, but as a whole group? Nada. Zip. Zilch.
Seriously, Apple has proven that time and again. Witness the introduction of the iPod and how that was destined to fail miserably against the likes of Rio. Or the change over to Intel processors (many, many posters devoted many, many threads to the stupidity of that particular move and how Apple will be pirated and/or priced out of existence), the introduction of the first iPhone was widely panned for lack of off-line apps, no keyboard.,etc. Pretty much ANY move that Apple made that was groundbreaking or a significant change in the way it does business, has raised a hue and cry from the All-Knowing Masters of Consumer Desire of imminent predicted product failure, the death of Apple, and/or the end of capitalism as we know it.
But no the AKMCD has decreed tha: because this rumor does include the possibility of e-ink, its going to fail. (Yeah because the Kindle and Sony are taking all that e-reader marketshare away from Apple and have been runaway best-sellers and are lauded as extremely useful by such places as Princeton University). And the lack of a fullblown OSX is also going to make it fail. (Because customers have been CLAMORING and BUYING Windows tablets with a full OS for YEARS). And if it can't run Photoshop then it will fail because EVERYONE runs Photoshop EVERY SINGLE DAY on any and every device they own including their toasters and bidets and absolutely HAVE to be able to run Photoshop while standing in line waiting for their High Colonics!!
Seriously, get some perspective. You have no idea what people will buy nor what you will buy 6 months from now. This is not meant as a jab at your intelligence. Its just a simple fact about the way our brains work. So what if you don't like what this rumor reveals. Apple doesn't care. Jobs doesn't care. And in 6 months, you probably won't care either. Sure, you can say that by ignoring YOUR wishes, Apple is not not fulfilling the inviolate creed that "The customer is always right." But as Apple has indicated before, the customer doesn't know what they want. And they are ultimately right. Usually.😛
😉
All this whining about it not having this or that or that it HAS to have this to survive when in reality, you guys know absolutely nothing about product design, development, or marketing. Oh individually, you may have expertise in one area and or knowledge about one of the others, but as a whole group? Nada. Zip. Zilch.
Seriously, Apple has proven that time and again. Witness the introduction of the iPod and how that was destined to fail miserably against the likes of Rio. Or the change over to Intel processors (many, many posters devoted many, many threads to the stupidity of that particular move and how Apple will be pirated and/or priced out of existence), the introduction of the first iPhone was widely panned for lack of off-line apps, no keyboard.,etc. Pretty much ANY move that Apple made that was groundbreaking or a significant change in the way it does business, has raised a hue and cry from the All-Knowing Masters of Consumer Desire of imminent predicted product failure, the death of Apple, and/or the end of capitalism as we know it.
But no the AKMCD has decreed tha: because this rumor does include the possibility of e-ink, its going to fail. (Yeah because the Kindle and Sony are taking all that e-reader marketshare away from Apple and have been runaway best-sellers and are lauded as extremely useful by such places as Princeton University). And the lack of a fullblown OSX is also going to make it fail. (Because customers have been CLAMORING and BUYING Windows tablets with a full OS for YEARS). And if it can't run Photoshop then it will fail because EVERYONE runs Photoshop EVERY SINGLE DAY on any and every device they own including their toasters and bidets and absolutely HAVE to be able to run Photoshop while standing in line waiting for their High Colonics!!
Seriously, get some perspective. You have no idea what people will buy nor what you will buy 6 months from now. This is not meant as a jab at your intelligence. Its just a simple fact about the way our brains work. So what if you don't like what this rumor reveals. Apple doesn't care. Jobs doesn't care. And in 6 months, you probably won't care either. Sure, you can say that by ignoring YOUR wishes, Apple is not not fulfilling the inviolate creed that "The customer is always right." But as Apple has indicated before, the customer doesn't know what they want. And they are ultimately right. Usually.😛