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Apple Takes Early Step Towards iPhones With 'Above 12-Megapixel' Rear Cameras
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More pixels doesn’t improve low light performance. Bigger pixels do. And since you can fit fewer bigger pixels in the same space, that means you want fewer pixels, not more, for low light performance.
Do you not watch the keynotes? Schiller has said the exact same thing, which is why he also announces bigger pixels or whatever in their sensors.I'd rather have larger pixels and fewer of them to capture more light.
It's scary to cram 12,000,000 pixels in a sensor the size of my pinky nail.
No need to worry...
It will be a much better camera, likely with a new feature or two, and better performance.
Sweating pixel size vs number of number of pixels is something tech nerds love to do as its so easy to wrap one's head around the issue, quickly pass judgement, and then call it a day. But in the end will not lead to making one a better photographer. It's about the person making photographs, their life experiences, curiosity, imagination, skill, understanding light, understanding the potential for narrative, etc.. And not about gear.
Relax...
It will be a much better camera, likely with a new feature or two, and better performance.
Sweating pixel size vs number of number of pixels is something tech nerds love to do as its so easy to wrap one's head around the issue, quickly pass judgement, and then call it a day. But in the end will not lead to making one a better photographer. It's about the person making photographs, their life experiences, curiosity, imagination, skill, understanding light, understanding the potential for narrative, etc.. And not about gear.
Relax...
I agree with you, and Apple certainly wants the + models to be the premium, costlier models. It's also easier for them to put more tech into a larger package.
I'm probably an outlier here, but if Apple was able to make a model about the size of SE, but with all the features of the 7+, I would pay a premium for it, even something like $100 more then the + models. There was a time when smaller devices were considered more premium, because of the technological challenges in cramming powerful features into a small package. As it stands, my next iPhone will likely be larger than the 4.7 6S I currently use, simply because I want the best features, but I prefer a smaller device. At least the 8 will shave some bezels off of the current plus size.
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This is not strictly monotonic, or the best image would be obtained with zero pixels.
Smaller pixels have more noise, but more pixels reduces noise by binning, so in principle, it's a wash for a given sensor size.
And when the light is ample, so noise is not an issue, more pixels allows more cropping.
Higher pixel density is better in principle if the total light collection area is unaffected (since binning is always available); i.e. if the ratio of collection area to pixel boundary is the same. This is not always true, and is why an optimum density is less than infinite.
My only request on the camera front would be curbing some of the over processing that Apple applies to its jpgs. I've been happy to be able to shoot RAW on iPhone 7 in separate apps, then process in Lightroom Mobile when attempting more artistic shots, but I feel they're robbing the more day-to-day jpg of certain detail for the sake of removing all possible noise. When zoomed/cropped in, they will often appear as smeared or watercolor-like. Better software decisions is a part of what makes Google's Pixel camera so successful.
Wrong. More pixels != less noise. More pixels != better low light pictures. Smaller pixels means less photons per pixel, pixel is more sensitive to noise. What helps is binning or combining neighbouring pixels to filter out noise. Sensor makers also try to make the photo diodes better making them e.g. deeper to compensate for smaller lateral sizes.
I still prefer a larger sensor => bigger pixels. 12M is for me ok.
Another trick is sensor "fusion". For example, take a 12M color sensor and a 8M black and white sensor (no color mask => more sensitivity) and combine the two.
A camera in a phone simply doesn't have the size like a DSLR, so you can't beat physics... and tricks are required.
Thanks - also Apple is running a business - they can right now put an 18MP but then what will you add next year - we are getting very close to the limits on this cameras and they will continue to be conservative and just add enough features to warrant an upgrade - not saying this is good for consumers - btw.
That's exactly my experience, I think they have to work on their algorithms to enhance the quality because sometimes you get really bad details when you zoom in.
They're using a different coder in iOS 11 so let's hope it will help too
It pisses me off is when I see cutting edged technical inovation by a U.S. based country, and the new factory is being built in ******** Taiwan while our standard of living plummets for average citizens.
Well assuming they’re all the same camera module that’s quite a bit. Perhaps it’s accounting for the two on the back and two more on the front (the new iPhone will have two in the front, right?) and perhaps Apple’s planning to add Face ID to all apple devices next year. That calculates out to be 150 million divides a month. Still a lot, but it's just a thought.
Megapixels are a marketing gimmick. They mean little in terms of image quality; it's the sensor size that matters.
How was the 7Plus a huge step forward?
How much battery would you be willing to give up for that second camera?
That's taking it a bit too far. A higher MP amount produces benefits, if also combined with a large enough sensor that the pixels aren't too minuscule. Nokia made a camera phone with a massive 41MP 1/1.2" sensor - but it took 8MP photos downsampled from the 41MP sensor - think like the Retina display but in reverse, the information from 4 sensor pixels is condensed down into one photo pixel. Another benefit is, as there was so much extra room on the sensor, by the time you digitally zoomed to where one sensor pixel = one image pixel, you'd zoomed in 3-4 times without cropping at all!
Doubt Apple will ever use such an inconveniently large sensor, but they will probably follow the rest of the industry over to 1/2.5" and that means they can up the MP count without losing any quality.
Just make the phone a little thicker, so the camera doesn't protrude anymore and give us more battery and a better camera