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Sorry, but the Droid X does do this. ("Droid does.")

And this manifestation is all about dBm, of which the bars are a simple representation (albeit without any industrywide standard).

Have you tried it with your Droid X?

If you want to compare Apples to Apples you must use dBm!!!
 
Tired of turning the other cheek

What the hell, another video bashing other phones, I've been very unimpressed with Apple lately.

I'm glad Apple is hitting back. Nokia was pretty quick to launch a full-page ad saying "You can hold your Nokia phone any way you want."

Of course, their owners manuals say a different thing:

http://funsizebytes.com/post/745721120/instructions-from-my-nokia-2320

Oh, and one more thing. If you're "very unimpressed with Apple", go comment on Gizmodo or CNET. We're unimpressed with you.
 
Apple is trying to tell people like you the simple facts by demonstration. Chill out. [1 of 2]
Truth hurts, isn't it?
Apple is trying to tell people like you the simple facts by demonstration. Chill out. [2 of 2]
Wow. You could use a break, bud.

Apple's being childish. Simple as that. They made a conscious decision to divert X amount of money from who-knows-what to making videos about how other phones have problems. The issue was over when they solved it with free bumpers, they should have just left it at that.
 
I wish people wouldn't stop using the term 'bridging' as if it's some real concept. You don't even know what the h*** you are talking about.
 
I do not own an iPhone 4. However, I used one at the Apple Store. it had full bars, and I called my cell phone (iPhone 3GS it also had full bars too) Then I held the iPhone 4 like I do with my 3GS, and watched th bars go down and the call dropped. I tried it, again, but using my iPhone 3GS. It didn't drop any bars OR the call. Again. Same location, iPone 4 kills the call. I used a Droid X at the same mall today. It had full bars. I held it, and tried to drop the call. No bars lost, no call dropped.

I should point out, that my Apple Store has an AT&T repeater in the store, yet I managed to drop the call. I'm sure there was a Verizon repeater in the mall though.


Not that I'm saying you made this up, but I don't believe you. :) The iPhone 4 will only lose 2 bars even if you death grip the hell out of it.

Incidentally, I can only make mine drop bars if I squeeze the hell out of it. Laying a finger on the seam doesn't do anything.
 
Have you tried it with your Droid X?

If you want to compare Apples to Apples you must use dBm!!!

Well if you wanna talk about dBm you should know that the iPhone 4 can maintain service down to a lower dBm than nearly ALL other phones.
 
Pathetic, Apple. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Besides, you can drop the signal on your iPhone with just ONE FINGER. Show us what other phone is that sensitive? You won't find one, because no other phone uses such a retarded external antenna design.
 
Sorry, but the Droid X does do this. ("Droid does.")

And this manifestation is all about dBm, of which the bars are a simple representation (albeit without any industrywide standard).

In addition, the way the Droid X was held in that video you could not talk on the phone anyway.




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iPhone -> iPhone 3G -> iPhone 3GS -> Droid X
 
Some of you are too butt-hurt.

Apples point is simple; EVERY phone has this problem.
Yet when people found out about the iPhone doing it, Apple got crucified. I hope they keep making these videos so that people can stop whining and realize its an industry wide issue with EVERY phone.

I see Steve has brainwashed you too. Wait until you go to an area that doesn't have the STRONGEST AT&T signal available, then try it. If you even barely touch the phone in the wrong way, you lose a call. It's clearly not the same as other phones, as they would like you to believe. I've owned dozens of phones prior to the iP4 - never this issue. It's a joke and the people who believe this Apple PR BS haven't a brain far enough developed to think for themselves.
 
This is complete BS. My Droid X does not do this.

In addition, forget bars, lets look at dBm.

Come Apple try being truthful for once and stop playing childish games.

dBm
dBm
dBm

And antennagate is complete BS because no matter how hard I try, I can't get my ip4 to drop bars.

Or maybe you and I are in areas with good reception.

Just sayin...
 
Um, seriously?

Placing a metal conductor over the lower left corner of your iPhone to bridge the antennas is a normal occurrence?

Yes, bridging the antennas changes the properties of the antennas, and causes attenuation. But can we argue that any antenna in any phone could be made theoretically better? Of course.

It sounds like you're in the camp that believes this is a fundamental engineering/design flaw, which the data -- both anecdotal and otherwise -- shows is incorrect.

To each his own, I suppose...

I don't have an iPhone4, and have not tried it with that phone, but a lot of the issue is just wrapping your hand around the antenna.
I did it with my Droid X and previously on my Blackberry.

My job is a location sound mixer, and we see this all the time. say I wire two people with transmitters on their waist clipped to their belts. They face each other and speak. If I stand behind one, that person gives full signal. Often the other person will block a lot of the signal with their body. It's often not much of an issue because I am close enough to grab signal bouncing off other things, but there is a definite drop in signal.
 
Good job Apple, keep attacking these idiots. You should also show demonstrations of how terrible the other OS's are. Android is junk; wouldn't be difficult to show in a short video.
 
I do not own an iPhone 4. However, I used one at the Apple Store. it had full bars, and I called my cell phone (iPhone 3GS it also had full bars too) Then I held the iPhone 4 like I do with my 3GS, and watched th bars go down and the call dropped. I tried it, again, but using my iPhone 3GS. It didn't drop any bars OR the call. Again. Same location, iPone 4 kills the call. I used a Droid X at the same mall today. It had full bars. I held it, and tried to drop the call. No bars lost, no call dropped.

I should point out, that my Apple Store has an AT&T repeater in the store, yet I managed to drop the call. I'm sure there was a Verizon repeater in the mall though.

I have never, ever had this experience in the hills of ky, the valleys of indiana, or the catskills in new york. I have only had problems when in poor signal areas, like inside office buildings, or other large, angular structures.
 
This is complete BS. My Droid X does not do this.

In addition, forget bars, lets look at dBm.

Come Apple try being truthful for once and stop playing childish games.

dBm
dBm
dBm

Saying it three times will not make you any closer to having a minor clue as to what you are talking about.
 
You've posted three times
Wow. You could use a break, bud.

Apple's being childish. Simple as that. They made a conscious decision to divert X amount of money from who-knows-what to making videos about how other phones have problems. The issue was over when they solved it with free bumpers, they should have just left it at that.

Apple isn't being childish at all. These other companies are putting out statements saying their phones are perfect and trying to damage Apple's reputation (ie, hurt their business). Apple has an obligation to defend their reputation and business. They just choose to do it in this mildly amusing expose kind of way.

If it can easily demonstrated that these phones suffer from a death grip too, why should Apple alone be the one taking all the hits over it, not just from the press but also from other manufacturers who are jealous of Apple's success?
 
Not that I'm saying you made this up, but I don't believe you. :) The iPhone 4 will only lose 2 bars even if you death grip the hell out of it.

Incidentally, I can only make mine drop bars if I squeeze the hell out of it. Laying a finger on the seam doesn't do anything.

This is what gets me. You say it only loses 2 bars.... for YOU...in YOUR area. People can't think far enough out of the box Steve made for them to realize that people experience this issue differently. I hope all you people who swear that there isn't a problem at all (because YOU don't have the problem) have to move soon and end up in an area where you experience the same thing all of the time. THEN you'll be the ones on here complaining.
 
O-goodie, more fresh Kool-aid.

This bar stuff is POINTLESS without looking at the relative drop in signal strength. Interestingly, Apple took the field test mode away in iOS 4 that would have allow the more quantitative comparison of these handsets. I know this point may be lost on the Apple fanboys, who seem enthralled with the bars, since it fits into their world view that Apple is somehow perfect.

At the end of the day, for many, there is a significant drop in call quality when holding it in the left hand. I would love to give some numbers, but Apple took the ability away to do this, when it introduced the OS that runs the flawed handset.
 
And antennagate is complete BS because no matter how hard I try, I can't get my ip4 to drop bars.

Or maybe you and I are in areas with good reception.

Just sayin...

I have read reports that two iP4 side by side, one exhibited this issue and one did not.
 
Apple really has a problem on their hands with this bad publicity (At least the signal attenuation problem is easily fixable. Why do people complain most about the smallest problems when it comes to Apple?); they could lose a few thousand customers who would be happier with the iPhone, regardless of antenna issues!

I'm not sure if this is the right response, but I can see what they're trying to say. The issue isn't really an issue. Obviously they should fix it, but it isn't a life-or-death scenario, and the iPhone is STILL rated more highly than any other smartphone, even with the signal issue. But I guess I'm used to explaining to idiots why Apple is better than just about everything out there. Some people don't seem to understand what's important in a tech device.
 
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