I guess you did not have time to read my link to the IEEE paper. Those are unbiased independent experts. And the results is in their words (not mine) iPhone 4 performs better than iPhone3Gs. However noticeable is the large reception variability when holding firmly the iPhone 4. With the bumpers the reception is just astonishing. So, I guess here Apple has some work to do.
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I guess you did not have time to read my link to the IEEE paper. Those are unbiased independent experts. And the results is in their words (not mine) iPhone 4 performs better than iPhone3Gs. However noticeable is the large reception variability when holding firmly the iPhone 4. With the bumpers the reception is just astonishing. So, I guess here Apple has some work to do.
Again I used the quotes in relation to another comment - if you ignore them my post would seem very illogical, I know the antenna on the 4 has potential to be better under many circumstances - not necessarily for those in a less than perfect signal area who don't use a case though - and I can't say I've had a problem with any phone when I'm in a "5 bar" city centre anyway.
That's because it's such a mouthful to say "MY DROID INCREDIBLE. NO, NOT THE DROID X, THAT'S FROM MOTOROLA. IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PHONE. NO, IT'S NOT THE DROID EITHER, ALSO ANOTHER TOTALLY DIFFERENT PHONE, ALSO FROM MOTOROLA. MINE IS THE DROID INCREDIBLE. HTC MAKES IT. HTC. STANDS FOR "HIGH TECH COMPUTER." STOP LAUGHING. THEY MAKE SOME GREAT PHONES. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF THEM. THE DROID INCREDIBLE CAME AFTER THE ORIGINAL DROID BUT BEFORE THE DROID X. DROID 2? NO, THAT'S YET ANOTHER TOTALLY DIFFERENT PHONE, ALSO FROM MOTOROLA. WHY DO YOU FIND THIS SO CONFUSING? I GIVE UP. I'LL JUST CALL IT MY PHONE."
Whew.
(CAPS for your benefit - apparently you like them.)
I can see why Android owners don't want to refer to their devices by name.
Not gonna happen. Doesn't generate enough page hits.
There are plenty of phones on CR's "Recommended" list that have signal loss issues under "normal" grip styles. Apparently this was not a criteria worth judging until the iPhone 4 came along.
Page hits.
However, what I find interesting is that if you hold the iPhone 4 without any protective case in your left hand with the relaxed grip so you can use the touchscreen functions with your right hand fingers or hold up your phone with the left hand to take a call, you DO run the risk of losing signal reception quality. Note that the issue does not exist if you hold the iPhone 4 with your right hand with the normal relaxed grip or take a call holding phone with your right hand. This tells me that "gap" on the lower left side of the phone is definitely responsible for signal reception quality loss if touched. When you install Apple's bumper case or a third-party case, note the problem normally is vastly lower or not does exist.
I should note that Apple's own demonstrations of how to reduce the reception quality of competitors' cellphones usually involve gripping the phone in a way that most people would not normally duplicate. As such, Apple's assertions are disingenuous, to say the least. Note that I haven't heard of people using the Google Nexus One, HTC Aria and Evo 4, and Motorola Droid and Droid X cellphones experiencing the same sudden reception drops when they hold the cellphone in your left hand in the relaxed grip with the left edge of the phone touching the left hand palm and the right edge of the phone touching the left hand fingers.
Getting late here so I'll take a look at the paper in the morning, I'm sure with a bumper on the 4 would be great - I've had many straight-to-voicemail calls with it "naked" in my pocket and people often complain of poor quality line when I'm talking to them (again never mentioned on the 3G), so much so I no longer have 3G turned on. I'm glad many of you are happy, in many ways it's a great device but it's been a poor "phone" for me.
For all the ***** that Apple and iPhone 4 is getting for this antenna issue, I'm delighted that they're striking back. The media and you guys are a much more powerfull machine than Apple can ever be. And no, it's not a good story that "most other smartphones have the same kind of problem", it's only a good story that the iPhone 4 has it. It's like journalists writing about somebody charged with being a rapist, and then if the person is cleared of the charge in court, it hardly get's a mention.
And I'm quite dissapointed that so many macrumors members are being negative and judgemental towards Apple for striking back. What we should be doing is helping everybody understand that this is NOT something significant, and has nothing to do with Apple or the iPhone 4 in particular. Seems like half of you guys still don't get that. So cudo's to Apple for educating the ignorant, now that the press has done everything to talk smack about the iPhone 4, and competitors and your next door neighbor has jumped ship and started talking smack about it too. I hate the fact that people have such strong tendency to wanting to kill someone elses success. Go make your own damn phone, create your own damn success, and quit being a jerk to others that have what you have not. Bravo to Apple for playing fair game and not just being silent for once.
And I'm quite dissapointed that so many macrumors members are being negative and judgemental towards Apple for striking back. What we should be doing is helping everybody understand that this is NOT something significant, and has nothing to do with Apple or the iPhone 4 in particular. Seems like half of you guys still don't get that. So cudo's to Apple for educating the ignorant, now that the press has done everything to talk smack about the iPhone 4, and competitors and your next door neighbor has jumped ship and started talking smack about it too. I hate the fact that people have such strong tendency to wanting to kill someone elses success. Go make your own damn phone, create your own damn success, and quit being a jerk to others that have what you have not. Bravo to Apple for playing fair game and not just being silent for once.
If they wanted to know something about your phone, they'd ask. People ask, and I tell them. If they don't, I don't bother. You know why? Because they didn't ask.
When it's not for the purpose of identifying one from among a selection, such as in the title of this article, it's entirely a fashion statement. This is standard human social grandstanding. "My car" / "my BMW". "My shoes" / "my Jimmy Choos". "My workstation" / "my Mac Pro". "My job" / "my Apple executive position". You're otherwise needlessly adding extra complexity for the listener.
OK, so I guess it could also mean that you're a subpar communicator. But you understand abstraction because you're generalising to a brand rather than some specific object or even full model. So why are you stopping at the brand name?
"Should" - what? This isn't a proselytisation organisation.Hitrate said:
Thanks for the suggestion. Shortwave radio's on the desk beside me. Can hear amateur tranmissions from across the Atlantic even with a piece of old speaker wire thrown across the curtain railing. Signal's somewhat attenuated when I hold it, of course.
I'm going to make a personal confession: I have less money than Steve Jobs. I guess until I have as much money as him it's sound ad hominem to stop me criticising him.
Can I be a jerk to those who don't have what I have? Or what's the right formula?
My experience precisely - I can't hold it in my left hand when browsing or this happens - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTtpDo7Mefw
One issue is suffered by all phones to some degree, one is just the iP4 - that's what the fuss is about and Apple are doing a good job of diverting from the fact (obviously based on many posts here).
Must stop quoting long posts
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Ha sarcasm.
I'm using a REAL computer. Its an i7 2.66GHZ Macbook Pro. The iPhone 4 is not a REAL computer. Its a cell phone.
I don't get these comments. A Cellphone IS A COMPUTER. A calculator is a computer, a person is/can be a computer. At least a decade ago, the original IBM PCs and Macintoshs were considered "real" computers and the iPhone is several times more powerful and more capable.
In the CPU etc sense I agree, and it's reasonable in context to use "computer" to mean "something which computes", but when most people read "computer" they think "general-purpose electronic computer". An iPhone isn't one of them - it lacks the interface and the opportunity for control (unjailbroken).
FWIW, my original IBM AT Model M keyboard is still going strong and still several times more powerful and more capable (in mechanical terms) than many of the better keyboards on the market today. The interface and the openness of the AT's internals are simply not matched by the iPhone.
Must stop quoting long posts
...especially when its keeps dropping of the network when holding it in your left hand while you type with your right.
When the iPhone outperforms REAL computers in areas of internet access, app responsiveness and accessibility, voice dictation, while running circles around PCs of the '90s, denouncing the iPhone as a non-real computer seems extreme.
Agreed.
On some levels, the iPhone outperforms REAL computers of the day.
Since you seem to be in the minority here, why do you not take the phone back to Apple and have them do a warranty exchange. From what I know, Apple is happy to make that exchange.
My iP4 outperforms my 3GS in most circumstances unless i place a moist finger right on the line. That means that 99% of the surface are of my naked iP4 results in no signal degradation. And, when I decide to wear the bumper, no problems on 100% of the phone. I think most iP4 owners will agree with this statement.
My iP4 outperforms my 3GS in most circumstances unless i place a moist finger right on the line. That means that 99% of the surface are of my naked iP4 results in no signal degradation. And, when I decide to wear the bumper, no problems on 100% of the phone. I think most iP4 owners will agree with this statement.
The heat of the truth makes the irrational fanboys thirsty, therefore Apple is providing them with Kool-aid spiked with half truths.
Great idea, except Apple do not let you transfer your licenses for apps, thereby imposing you with a heavy monetary penalty if you want to leave the ecosystem.
Nah, on the Wi-Fi so I'll let it off as working properly in this instance...
Anyone know why it's just the one specific join which is a problem and not the others? Aside from my obvious issues with 3G I have no problem on GSM or Wi-Fi...Oh don't worry - I've chatted about it much earlier in this thread, it will be going back (to O2 now they are accepting returns), most likely for an HTC Desire, (until an iPhone 5 comes out at least, presuming issues fixed so I can use my Apps again. As Full of win rightly points out they do a good job of tying you in!) The Android system gets a lot of flak on here but after much comparison with a friends phone it actually does many things better than iOS, and will get better still with 2.2 next month - there is no longer a chasm between the iPhone and it's competition.
No it's actually PLAIN FACT I was in both the stores myself yesterday.
I am sorry you cannot accept pure anecdotal evidence but then again you probably think the iPhone 4 doesn't drop calls.
Well, I guess it's good to know that while almost breaking the Droid X with Chuck Norris-kung fu grip will make bars go down. It's totally the same thing as TOUCHING a seam on the iPhone 4 and losing connection.
I guess I better go get a dumbphone then.
I guess I better go get a dumbphone then.
look guys, our revolutionary magical phone isn't as awesome as we said! In fact, 100% of all our phones have a serious issue! It's not that big of a deal though, other phones have the same problem! O wait... they don't completely lose signal and they stay connected even when you grip them like a vice? Well... let's pretend it's the same thing because our customers are morons and won't know the difference!
The realization that one actually can crush the Droid X by gripping it speaks poorly about its build quality.
After playing with one recently, I wasn't impressed with the exterior and flimsy buttons.
This will, no doubt, be epic - another gang-war in the land of fractured platforms.