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Apple Targeting Mac App Store as 'Preferred' Mac OS X Lion Distribution Mechanism

does the app store require an account or can i purchase as a single purchase user? if it requires an account, and until it doesn't, offering disc version of the OS and any other software that needs to be installed seems useful as an option.
 
It is my understanding (from a couple of reports from friends) that the app store download is painfully slow. Have others experienced this issue? I have a friend who said XCode took forever to download, had errors and had to re-download. Not sure if it was their internet connection or if it was an Apple issue.

Second, it is my understanding that updates via app store require you to re-download the entire fricken app again. I assume this won't be the same situation for Lion... Otherwise that would be a REALLY bad idea.
 
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Perhaps there can be the same partition on the Time Machine backup disk so you could use the same disk to boot and install from and then recover the data.
 
A real NO NO unless you can burn to disc/SD/USB

How would one go about repairing disc errors. I have met quite a few folks, who say their Mac is just not working properly. In 100% of these cases, I have found disc errors and repaired them, either using the OS, Install DVD or if I happen to have it with me Disk Warrior on an SD card with OS 10.6.7. After doing a file permissions repair and cache clean, so far all has been sweetness and light.

I know one could do an Lion install to a USB stick/SD card or external bootable drive but it all depends how the file works with the App Store. It may not allow you to install to anything other than your main HD and may not allow 2 installs. I don't imagine for one second that it will work in a way that suits customers but only in a way which minimises Apple's costs and maximises profits. So what else is new? It's the DVD for me or if they offer, even at a small extra cost, a USB stick.

Wilson
 
MacConvert said:
I'm a developer - if I want to install any app from a command line, I don't wanna lose that ability, or even be remotely pushed into a 'preferred' direction about how I should install apps, thank you very much.
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I'm not sure what you being a developer has anything to do with this. Every developer I know double-clicks their installers in the Finder like everyone else.
 
shaolindave said:
yes, I'm sure we all read that. it doesn't really answer any questions though.

i have physical versions of iLife and iWork (or did, actually). my family lost our iWork disc. I still have it installed on my hard drive. I COULD buy it from the app store, but it'd cost me full price (again).

what if I buy Lion from the app store, then my computer fails or i replace the hard drive. yes, i do have the option of buying a physical disc, but i'd have to pay full price (again).

if they allow to app store version to be burned to disc or copied to USB drive, awesome, that'll solve the problem. however, so far this is being presented as a digital download, not an alternative means to get a physical copy.
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This wasn't really the issue. The objections were coming from people who thought there'd be no option for those that might have connections too slow to order online in the first place, things like that.

The scenario you're presenting is actually a lot simpler solution than that... Apple's new datacenter is reported to be a central distribution point for more than just movies and music. More than likely they're going to do what many companies have already done and track your purchases so you can simply download another copy. I would imagine either you'd have license to boot from a WAN disk to reinstall your licensed copy or download the licensed copy to another machine on your network and use Remote Disk to reinstall it on the repaired computer. Barring all that, you could take it to an Apple Store and reinstall it there, with evidence in your account that you already have a license for it.

There are numerous ways this could be done, easier and faster than re-ordering a physical copy.
 
MacConvert said:
"Preferred" is too strong of a language.

Make that "optional".

I'm a developer - if I want to install any app from a command line, I don't wanna lose that ability, or even be remotely pushed into a 'preferred' direction about how I should install apps, thank you very much.

Not like if it will ever be dumbed down to this point, but if Apple makes it "mandatory" to install apps via "Mac App Store", I'll sell the Mac, buy a thinkpad and put Linux on it for good.
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You really didn't read the thread at all, did you? This is about the Mac App Store being the preferred method of getting Lion, not apps (though of course Apple would probably prefer you get your apps there too). And get over your unjustified paranoia, Apple has shown no indication that they are even considering preventing you from installing apps from other sources in OS X. It would be absolutely absurd to think that they would.

jW
 
Excellent decision, leave all these pirating terrorists out of the loop.
Accept the inevitable or take a hike. :D:apple:
 
inkswamp said:
Fine. Seems like a logical move, but if Apple wants me to foot part of the bill for distributing their software (via my paid Internet connection) then I certainly expect a significant cut in the cost of the upgrade.
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dude, the last upgrade was like $30...
I'm just saying.....
:)
 
Daveoc64 said:
Putting it on the Mac App Store raises an interesting issue about licencing - they said that purchases could be used on any Mac that you use.

That opens them up to a lot of abuse.
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Which is different from the current practice of not requiring a software key to install from optical disk how, exactly?
 
Daveoc64 said:
The licence is only for one computer.

If you want to install it on a different machine you must uninstall the original copy first.
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Their employee costs for keeping those armed enforcers watching over your install disks must be enormous!

Wait...

The Mac App Store says:

"You can install apps on every Mac you use and even download them again."

That implies that if I go on a friend's computer for 5 minutes once a year I could install Lion on it for no charge.
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Read it again. All of it.

A "Mac that you use" is one that you've got registered with your Mac/iTunes account, of which you can have up to five.

One of them might well be your friend's, or your mom's, but would still count as one of the five total.
 
steveh said:
Which is different from the current practice of not requiring a software key to install from optical disk how, exactly?
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One is illegal, one isn't.

Apple doesn't allow a single copy of Mac OS X to be installed on multiple computers (as per the EULA).

Mac App Store Apps CAN be installed on multiple computers (as per the Mac App Store agreement). The main thing to put people off doing this is that you need to enter the password every time an update is pushed out.

Presumably Mac OS X through the App Store would only need to be downloaded once from the store and then updated using Software Update.
 
steveh said:
Read it again. All of it.

A "Mac that you use" is one that you've got registered with your Mac/iTunes account, of which you can have up to five.

One of them might well be your friend's, or your mom's, but would still count as one of the five total.
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The Mac App Store doesn't use the 5 computer limitation that the iTunes Store (including iOS App Store) does.
 
MacConvert said:
"Preferred" is too strong of a language.

Make that "optional".

I'm a developer - if I want to install any app from a command line, I don't wanna lose that ability, or even be remotely pushed into a 'preferred' direction about how I should install apps, thank you very much.

Not like if it will ever be dumbed down to this point, but if Apple makes it "mandatory" to install apps via "Mac App Store", I'll sell the Mac, buy a thinkpad and put Linux on it for good.
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Precisely!

We are thinking exactly alike here. I've been a multiplatformist for too long to have any company take my command line access away. I _will_retain the ability to install apps the way I want to. This is not even remotely open for discussion. Plus as much as I would hate to have to abandon the Mac, it would only take me 2 seconds to close the lid on my MacBook Pro and Open the lid of my W520 ThinkPad Workstation that _already_has Linux in it. It's one in a long line of Linux laptops I've used over the years.

That said, once again it's important for me to state _MY Personal Preference_ for my gorgeous 2010 MacBook Pro & OS X with all it's goodness.

I just don't want it destroyed by the influence of a mobile OS like iOS. Furthermore I am NOT saying I do not like iOS, but I am saying _keep it in the mobile space_ and not on my laptop.

I embrace change and have no problem adapting, just don't screw up something I am as passionate about as I am the Pure Mac Experience I have Now.
 
Daveoc64 said:
While I think Apple should make Mac OS X available as a download, I'd rather that it was done as a .iso that customers could burn to a DVD.

I don't like the idea of having to install Snow Leopard first before installing Lion in the event of needing to restore.

Putting it on the Mac App Store raises an interesting issue about licencing - they said that purchases could be used on any Mac that you use.

That opens them up to a lot of abuse.
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They could have it creat a Bootable partition of your harddrive that allows you to do a clean install, but then you'd still need to run some software on your computer to do it in the first place.
 
maclaptop said:
I have as well & will not back down.

Sadly, after well over a decade Apple may force me to abandon what have become nothing more than iToys.

Time to find a professional computing environment.
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Glad I'm not alone here :cool:

hayesk said:
I'm not sure what you being a developer has anything to do with this. Every developer I know double-clicks their installers in the Finder like everyone else.
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They are probably those kind of devs who create iPhone fart games. :rolleyes:
 
You people have the exact same damn reaction everytime Apple announces it will do something different. OMG!! HOW WILL I DO THIS NOW??! HOW WILL I GET OUT OF XXXX SITUATION???! WHAT IF XXX HAPPENS??

I mean, really? You think Apple doesn't think of these obvious situations? Don't worry, you'll be covered. Stop freaking out.
 
Apple is so good at keeping secrets and so good at bringing a new concept in, it just occurred to me.

They may have established something with fischer price.

There is a gap to be filled, its little girls and tech. Simplicity appeals to them, iOS could be used for a starter computer to attract them.
 
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