Apple Targets Samsung With New Lawsuit Over 'Galaxy' Line

[kdarling]

So it is likely the iPhone was in development for years before the Prada was even a concept.

An iPod phone, yes. The touch iPhone, no. As mentioned here many times before:

All the published iPhone histories, derived from interviews with Apple insiders, state that the current iPhone project began at the tail end of 2005, with the mobile OSX port (aka iOS) begun at the start of 2006.

In other words, most of the iPhone work was done in one year, which is very remarkable. Apple felt the pressure to rush to beat everyone to mass market. (If Apple hadn't done it, someone else eventually would've.)

You see, 2006 was a huge year of touch concept phones, from the actual Synaptics Onyx to the Nokia Aeon and Black Box concepts, right into the 2006 Linux based OpenMoko phone shown below with icon dock, multi-touch and pinch-to-zoom... ideas which some people thought were later ripped off by Apple for their iPhone.

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[kenypowa]

Samsung had two cameras first on their tablets and Apple copied them. LOL

word.

 

[coldmack]

I've always found the that the sound quality from my iPod was perfectly fine, but then again, I am not an audiophile by any stretch. What Apple did here was find a sweet-spot. A small device, a good interface for browsing a lot of music quickly, it holds a lot of songs, good battery life, fairly affordable. THAT is what matters to most people. The audio quality took a hit by having a lower bit rate in order to fit more songs, but that was less important to the masses than what it had going for it.

Didn't they have to out settle out of court with Creative on the interface issue or something so I dunno. Then again I was fond of Toshiba because it had the same hardware as the iPod, while having a better sound quality and it came with a 2.2in color screen when the iPod was still black and white. I saw it on Amazon one day searching for the iPod and saw I could get the 40gb cheaper than the iPod I was sold. Then heard the sound quality of it compare to my friends ipod and I was amazed how much more natural the music sounded from the same cans.

 

[Gemütlichkeit]

Have you seen Windows GUI? It's also almost identical - rows of icons and task bar at the bottom. Did Microsoft sue Apple? No.

Xerox sued everyone when it came to GUI OS's

 

[pcmike]

Your logic is pretty poor. So basically you're saying that since Apple comes up with fundamentally easy to use products and actually brings them to market first, that everyone else should just be allowed to copy it.. because after all it's the "most intuitive way and should be standardized?"

Seems to me that's exactly why Apple is on top and everyone else is playing catch up time and time again.

Looking at the TouchWiz UI, I see your point.

But, at what point does an interface become too generic? For example, the concept of pages of icons in a grid isn't really new or innovative. The concept of swiping across screens is simple and intuitive and should be standardized
(e.g. copied) for that exact reason. Should other phone makers put the icons in a circle, "just because" they need to be different? Should they force you to do something differently just because the best and most intuitive way was "already taken"?

Everyone loves car analogies, so: what if Ford decided to sue other carmakers because they copied their steering wheel design? Would other companies have been forced to adopt other types of controls -- joysticks or dials or foot pedals, perhaps -- "just because"? And would that have been good for the auto industry?

 

[lilo777]

Xerox sued everyone when it came to GUI OS's

They did and they lost and so will Apple. And Xerox did invent something new (a GUI) unlike Apple. 4x4 icon matrix? Give me a break.

 

[Urmom.com]

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Who are you? Your a goddamn super-troll! Your on all forums that have even an ounce of controversy. You do nothing but fuel the fire and then sit back and watch all these idiots bicker don't you? It is fun watching everyone playing lawyer like they know IP laws then you throw a stick and watch em run. When they prove you wrong you magically shrug it off then redirect them with some other apple bash and enjoy the carnage they deal to their own brains. Nice! So I'll bet you have an iPhone, maybe iPad and/or MacBook. Keep it up. It's entertaining

says the guy whose username is urmom.com

i wouldn't be talkin if i were you.

Well actually if you were me you would be talking. To help you understand, I was making light of lilo777's trolling. Nothing to do with his username. So I'm not sure how mine plays into your argument that I should nit be talking but I rarely try to interpret people like you that make meaningless statements. Oh, and lilo777 replied to another thread but not mine. Do you think? OMG, hes a troll! And he won't respond to me cause he wants to save face! OMG! OMG. Holy sh-OMG!

 

[lilo777]

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Well actually if you were me you would be talking. To help you understand, I was making light of lilo777's trolling. Nothing to do with his username. So I'm not sure how mine plays into your argument that I should nit be talking but I rarely try to interpret people like you that make meaningless statements. Oh, and lilo777 replied to another thread but not mine. Do you think? OMG, hes a troll! And he won't respond to me cause he wants to save face! OMG! OMG. Holy sh-OMG!

You seem to be either very sarcastic or very confused. I did reply to your message. Now, could you tell us what you think about the subject at hand (i.e. another frivolous Apple lawsuit)? As we learned today they are about to lose their similar lawsuit against Nokia and HTC (Bloomberg)

 

[Urmom.com]

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Who are you? Your a goddamn super-troll! Your on all forums that have even an ounce of controversy. You do nothing but fuel the fire and then sit back and watch all these idiots bicker don't you? It is fun watching everyone playing lawyer like they know IP laws then you throw a stick and watch em run. When they prove you wrong you magically shrug it off then redirect them with some other apple bash and enjoy the carnage they deal to their own brains. Nice! So I'll bet you have an iPhone, maybe iPad and/or MacBook. Keep it up. It's entertaining

I am not sure what exactly you are complaining about. Are you saying that patents can not be invalidated? But that's exactly what happened to Cover Flow patent. Quote: "In October 2010, a judge in East Texas Federal Court sided with Mirror Worlds and awarded the now defunct company $625.5 million in damages ($208.5 million per patent). Apple appealed this ruling and argued that Mirror Worlds' patents were invalid because the company failed to cite prior art and filed the patents incorrectly.". Or, perhaps, you are arguing that other company patents may be invalidated but Apple's ones may not? You've got me puzzled.

Ha! I love it. I said in my last post you had not responded to me but alas! We were posting at the same time! No what I mean has nothing to do with the quote of yours that I posted. Only that you incite hell in these forums and it is quite fun to see that played out with the inevitable replies of anger and hatred towards you. And you spend way to much time online posting my friend

 

[Dbrown]

Can I create an Angry Birds clone and call it Pissy Pigeons?
We shoot them out of a cannon and smash them into cows.

I mean it's so obvious people will love a game based on geometry where we shoot birds at other animals. How else would you build a game based on geometry? This seems so obvious and is the only way to really do it so Angry Birds would have no case against me.

Well seeing that there are tons of iOS games that are carbon copies of existing games, I don't see why not. Angry birds is nothing more than a crappy physics simulation anyways, and those arent anything new or unique.

Sony never sued the makers for that Rolando game for blatantly copying LocoRoco. If sony can't get any protection for a game that is truly as unique as LocoRoco, why should apple get protection for obvious UI conventions like a grid or dock? Or something as generic as a touchscreen phone?

 

[AmpSkillz]

Have you seen Windows GUI? It's also almost identical - rows of icons and task bar at the bottom. Did Microsoft sue Apple? No.

LOL

now that would just be ridiculous

 

[Stella]

Didn't they have to out settle out of court with Creative on the interface issue or something so I dunno.

Yup, Apple paid $100 million to Creative to settle...
http://blog.mises.org/5516/apple-pays-creative-100-million-to-settle-patent-suit/

 

[Bilbo63]

Didn't they have to out settle out of court with Creative on the interface issue or something so I dunno. Then again I was fond of Toshiba because it had the same hardware as the iPod, while having a better sound quality and it came with a 2.2in color screen when the iPod was still black and white. I saw it on Amazon one day searching for the iPod and saw I could get the 40gb cheaper than the iPod I was sold. Then heard the sound quality of it compare to my friends ipod and I was amazed how much more natural the music sounded from the same cans.

I'm not sure about any lawsuits, you may very well be correct. I'm going to assume that you are correct about the sound quality on the other devices too. For me the iPod hit the sweet-spot. Based on how it ruled the space, I'm guessing that it hit the sweet-spot for a few others as well, even if it never had the best sound quality.

Cheers

 

[Hastings101]

I hope Apple loses if all they're going on are things like the GUI and all that fun stuff seen in the images displayed here.

 

[Bilbo63]

They did and they lost and so will Apple. And Xerox did invent something new (a GUI) unlike Apple. 4x4 icon matrix? Give me a break.

The issue is that Samsung devices look so similar to Apple's products. So much so in fact that it creates confusion for the consumer. I have witnessed many people mistake an Android handset for an iPhone because they look damn near identical, especially to the average, non-techy type. You can't tell me that they are unable to give their devices their own look. They could, but they don't want to. They want to look like the real thing. It's no accident.

It's not at all only about a 4x4 icon matrix.

 

[DeathChill]

An iPod phone, yes. The touch iPhone, no. As mentioned here many times before:

All the published iPhone histories, derived from interviews with Apple insiders, state that the current iPhone project began at the tail end of 2005, with the mobile OSX port (aka iOS) begun at the start of 2006.

It's really hard to find anything concrete on this.

In other words, most of the iPhone work was done in one year, which is very remarkable. Apple felt the pressure to rush to beat everyone to mass market. (If Apple hadn't done it, someone else eventually would've.)

I suppose more touchscreen phones might have existed, but I doubt we'd see what exists now if not for Apple.

You see, 2006 was a huge year of touch concept phones, from the actual Synaptics Onyx to the Nokia Aeon and Black Box concepts, right into the 2006 Linux based OpenMoko phone shown below with icon dock, multi-touch and pinch-to-zoom... ideas which some people thought were later ripped off by Apple for their iPhone.

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Any sources on the OpenMoko stuff? I can't find anything about it except that it wasn't multi-touch (so no pinch-to-zoom):

"Despite having a higher resolution display closer to a small mobile laptop than a smartphone, its screen isn’t multitouch. It is a conventional Palm Pilot-style pressure-sensitive screen intended to be primarily used with a stylus."

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/08/23/apple-iphone-vs-the-fic-neo1973-openmoko-linux-smartphone/

It also wasn't announced until November of 2006 and was released after the iPhone.

 

[ten-oak-druid]

It's really hard to find anything concrete on this.

I suppose more touchscreen phones might have existed, but I doubt we'd see what exists now if not for Apple.


Any sources on the OpenMoko stuff? I can't find anything about it except that it wasn't multi-touch (so no pinch-to-zoom):

"Despite having a higher resolution display closer to a small mobile laptop than a smartphone, its screen isn’t multitouch. It is a conventional Palm Pilot-style pressure-sensitive screen intended to be primarily used with a stylus."

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/08/23/apple-iphone-vs-the-fic-neo1973-openmoko-linux-smartphone/

It also wasn't announced until November of 2006 and was released after the iPhone.

People like to refer to prior touch screens but the iphone was the first to make the touch gestures be the method of navigation through the OS. Apple was the first to take a risk and bring it to market on a grand scale. Only when it was a success did others follow.

 

[Juan007]

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Anyone who has actually used a Samsung Galaxy knows that it's a complete and total iPhone ripoff. I don't know whether it's illegal to copy a device so completely as Samsung did, but it's definitely unethical. Good for Apple for standing up against copycats and makers of junk. Samsung should be ashamed.

The funny thing is that the Galaxy tries so hard to be the iPhone but it fails in small yet glaringly obvious ways. Maybe if Samsung were focused on delivering real innovation instead of copying Apple they could deliver a better product.

 

[slffl]

Great move Apple. I hope HP is next. These companies need to hire some damn artists and come up with their own original designs.

 

[daneoni]

Great move Apple. I hope HP is next. These companies need to hire some damn artists and come up with their own original designs.

If they go after HP (who now own Palm's patent portfolio), then they're just asking for it. That battle would probably be over before it even started.

 

[DeathChill]

If they go after HP (who now own Palm's patent portfolio), then they're just asking for it. That battle would probably be over before it even started.

I don't know what you mean. Both companies hold so many patents that it just becomes a stalemate; no one really wins.

 

[djinn]

How was it Steve.. "Good artists copy; great artists steal. "

 

[bassfingers]

Can only be 1 reason, Apple are worried.

If they felt totally confident in their product then they would not feel any threat from others and need to try something like this on.

You could say this about anything. for example:

"apple just released an awesome new iDevice"
-"can only be 1 reason..."..."otherwise they wouldn't have had to make such a good one"

"apple just made an awesome ad campaign"
-"they must be worried, or else they wouldn't have spent so much on advertising"

 

[wlh99]

I'm not sure what to think. I love the iPhone and all, but I had a palm pilot nearly 20 years ago and the interface is more or less the same. I don't see Apple's claim.

Even Apples claim to fame "gesture's" is a minor step from gestures I have been using on Synopsis trackpads for a decade.

It seems there are lots of Patent lawsuits back and forth, but no real merit on most of them.

 

[yodaxl7]

If only I had a white Galaxy Tab and a white iPhone 3GS, I'd lay them face down next to each other and take a pic so you could see just how "identical" they really are.

But the non-Apple world is used to derivative design (or just blind to it): behold Microsoft's white Dell Optiplex, the Xbox 360:

Not a competing product!!