The whole "worlds" thing only ever reminds me of this. On a scale of 1 to cringe, I'm hoping it's going to be cool, but am so convinced it's going to be lame.
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Apple Teases Dawn of a 'New Era' and Coding 'New Worlds' at WWDC
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HobeSoundDarryl
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Well, if Meta couldn't make it go... then clearly Apple has no chance.
Remember the FB Phone flop? How stupid of Apple to keep going with iPhone after FB proved there was no market for smart phones.
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What if Apple brings the $2.3 billion dollar Las Vegas MSG Sphere to your head? What if you can build immersive presentations that will literally blow everyone's minds? I can't wait to see where this goes!
An average sunny day is well above 10,000 nits, but that’s also a very useless way of measuring daylight.
Also, Apple is using pancake lenses, which only have about 20% efficiency.
So just because the panel itself has a 5000 nits max, you will never ever see the full 5000 nits through the lenses.
The actual brightness people will be able to see is going to be a lot closer to 500-1000 Nits.
It’s Apple. If there’s one thing they keep doing right is marketing. Remember last year when everyone went crazy for the “dynamic island” lmao. They will market this thing right and will make you want to buy it
No need to focus on marketing the trivial.
iPod, iPhone, iPad, Watch, AirPods, and a slew of Macs are what created Apple's success, along with close to a billion customers staying with the Apple brand. Apple's AR device will add to that.
Due to the 3D rendering and transformations, you’d need much higher resolution to render a 4K display realistically. Like 16K per eye or so. We are not anywhere near that being a feasible application.
"New era" and "new worlds" has to be a new Apple Pencil. 🥕
You have to take the duty cycle into account in addition. It’ll probably be less than 100 nits as an end result. Which would still be bright enough, given it’s right in front of your eyes.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
And yet, there are multiple VR products already on the market with 1080p-based, cheap lenses that seem to be delivering a usable virtual display. For those who seem to be doing reviews, their reaction is generally positive with that use on those inferior products. Yes, such people could be like "friends of Apple influencers getting pre-release access" (guaranteeing gushing praise reviews of even dirt if Apple would box dirt)... but what I see in all such reviews is a consistency of "positive surprise."
I've hooked up Macs to 1080p and 4K TVs for presentations and whether very near or far, resolution looks good, quite readable, and impressive (and anyone can do this right now to remind themselves of how good their computer can look at a TV resolution)... even with those pixels spread out on upwards of 82" rectangles. Here's rumored 4K resolution packed into a very tiny amount of space. I have to think that the virtual display thing will work very well, perhaps shockingly well.
Yes, perhaps it won't look 5K/4K sharp (or maybe it will) but the real key is does it look good enough to look like reality... like we are actually sitting in front of a 5K/4K/'good enough' screen sharp enough to do our mobile computing work. Based on the variety of existing products using inferior tech seemingly doing this well already, I have to suspect that that purpose on this rumored device FROM APPLE will be impressive.
But we'll see.
I meeeean. Apple has a lot of misses and a lot of work to do in many departments, but to think that they will botch this announcement and not clearly show what the device will do is a little odd lol.
they may get a lot wrong, but at the end of the day they’re not stupid.
It won’t be a replacement for sitting before a pair of actual 4K monitors for any kind of serious work. People believe that because the headset panels are 2x4K that this means it should be able to emulate an office environment with an actual 4K display. It’s not anywhere close to that. Yeah, maybe 1080p if that virtual display fills most of your field-of-view, but that’d be a rather pixelated resolution.
Samsung VR did that surprisingly well enough for me with a diving cage surrounded by sharks, haunted houses and somebody's vision of a demon realm. All I can say is be careful what you wish for.
😱So I would think that with Apple throwing rumored high specs and loads of money on the endeavor, they could create a surprisingly impressive experience.
However, I'm the only member of my family who could stay in that VR environment as long as I want. Everyone else got horrible motion sickness within minutes. It will be interesting to see how Apple solves problems with human physiology reacting to this kind of tech. Or even if Apple will care, as long as they hit the numbers they want to hit. They don't seem to care or at least have never acknowledged how current display technologies adversely affect some users.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
We'll see. You post with such conviction "It's not anywhere close to that" as if you know for sure. If you've had access to them, congratulations on the sneak peek and then freedom to post such confident faults about them in thread after thread. I choose to stand by and see the demo and then go try and see with my own eyes.
The wall of pessimism based on guesses/imagination/rumor and price shock hasn't convinced me that this is a dog. But whether one is extremely pessimistic or optimistic, most guessing and imagination will be evaporated in a few days and we'll see whatever this thing actually is... what it can actually do... and how much Apple actually wants for it.
My imagination leans to the positive. But I remain open that after 6+ years and no constraints of money or talent that it could be one big pile of ......
There will be much less mystery in a few days. And then we can all contribute opinions based on tangible facts and reality.
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I’m only commenting on the specific application of emulating an office environment with 4K monitors. I’m confident that Apple’s headset will be a good VR headset and will push the boundaries of the current VR headsets market, at least hardware-wise. But for an office-replacement application on par with a real office with 4K monitors, we’d need orders-of-magnitude advances in technology. I keep reading comments from people who seem to believe that’s in the cards, and there I can only shake my head.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I'm one of those people and from all I've seen (which is not just uninformed speculation from "experts" around here), there is either a great illusion being cast by existing VR glasses products that the virtual desktop is a much better experience than it is even on 1080p-based tech, OR it is quite good on inferior tech and the rumored superior tech allegedly coming from Apple in a few days will do it much better.
For example, I look at this "review(?)" of a relatively cheap AR product based upon 1080p lenses working with Apple hardware (he tries it with iPhone and Mac)...
The guy apparently attempts to position them in front of the video camera to let us watchers have a peek at what he apparently sees with glasses on. It looks quite good to me. If Apple's Goggles can look only that good, that will be plenty for my "any size, new-kind-of-laptop" hopes. Apparently, Apple's Goggles will up the resolution 2X in both directions. So if these can look that good for work purposes, Apple's should be able to be much sharper than that.
This "reviewer" could very well be like the "friends of Apple pre-release reviewers" and the "look through" could be special effects FAKED to look better than it actually looks... but others trying out the same are also either the "friends of Apple" type with what seems to be collectively positive experiences with this tech inferior product or there is something good here.
In a few days, we'll no longer be guessing. And at some point after that, the extremist pessimists and optimists should be able to step into a store and see whatever these can show with their own eyes. If it's terrible, we can soon see for ourselves. If it's incredible, we can soon see for ourselves. And then all of the guess-driven comments can be refined into stating what it's really like vs. how each of us is choosing to imagine it.
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