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I'm surprised so many people care about an Apple set top.

I think there is a lot of resentment towards the status quo, ie the cable/sat operators; it's a stale business model that's basically unchanged since the dawn of cable television. We've seen a revolution in personal electronics during the last 30-35 years, but not in the way we watch television content. And with all the technological changes that the advent of the microprocessor has enabled since the late seventies, many people are eagerly awaiting a different avenue of home entertainment options, conceptualized and spearheaded by the likes of Apple, Google, Samsung or others.

Whether that entails a set-top box, or an actual television set is less important than freedom of the largely shackled business model we currently have. This will not necessarily be cheaper for us the consumers, but will hopefully result in more flexibility and options. All eyes are on Apple.
 
Tim Cook is the content companies enemy, Steve Jobs wasn't

To me the big difference between Steve Jobs and Tim Cook is that Steve Jobs as also the head of Pixar was seen as one of the content companies guys, whereas Tim Cook as only the head of Apple is seen as the enemy. Steve Jobs could have made the negotiations work for the required content for an Apple television set, but I am not sold that Tim Cook can.
 
What is taking so long to open up the current Apple TV to third party apps? This should have happened already.

As for getting traditional TV content, if the content providers are refusing to sign distribution deals, as the riches company in the world, Apple should just buy them up one at a time, break them up & sell off the pieces, and keep the rights to to distribute the content as they wish.
 
As for getting traditional TV content, if the content providers are refusing to sign distribution deals, as the riches company in the world, Apple should just buy them up one at a time, break them up & sell off the pieces, and keep the rights to to distribute the content as they wish.

Given one of those content companies is Sony, I don't think so.
 
Not if there aren't any good games to back up the product.

List me 3-5 console-quality games (since we're talking about a console type of use) available on iOS right now, or more, and I'll reconsider.

You're missing the point, this wouldn't be an xBox One type console, more like a better Wii (which sold very well if I remember). It would slaughter the competition because of the price. Games are very cheep and often free and very easy to download. There is also a far larger developer community than for any console. They will already have developed powerful games for this new chip by the time this device comes out, as its being used in the latest iPads and iPhones.
 
Oh yes almost forgot.

iBeacon support. That way when I sprinkle Apple TV throughout my home they also function nicely as beacons in the home that I can use to trigger tasks via my iWatch.

Isn't iBeacon the facility that allows you to pair an iPhone with your apple TV by touching them together? So doesn't it already have this?
 
More analyst crap about the mythical Apple television which there is not a shed of evidence for. If they had been right when the rumours first started the thing would have been out a couple of years already. This is just analyst face saving to try and explain why the thing never appeared. They make it up as they go along :rolleyes:
 
I think the problem apple are having is figuring out how they are going to align what is going to be a VERY expensive TV set with the selling model they use for all the other apple products,

i mean how are they going to market a $6000 TV set that, if they have their way, you would HAVE to replace every 2-3 years to support the "current" software feature set ?

I am nearly 40, and, not counting family TV sets, i have personally owned 4 TVs in my life, a small CRT screen in my bedroom when i was 12 through to 17, a widescreen 28" CRT screen i bought with the cash i earned at my first job, along with a DVD player, a 32" 1080i flat screen i bought to replace that at the start of the HD roll out, and i have just, this year, moved that TV to the bedroom, and bought myself a passive 3D 42" TV for the lounge.

i don't see me replacing that TV with a 4K screen until we move into 2020, even if the screen was to fail in the next 3 years, im more likely to replace it with a bigger, cheaper 1080p screen than an expensive 4K screen.

Smart TV function i could care less about, my screen is just that , a screen, to display images, from other devices (Such as the Apple TV box, or my PS3), its those other devices that are "smart" and easily replaceable over time,

I want apple to keep making a cheap, set-top, box, something i don't mind dropping $100 every other year on, i don't want that tech built into a TV set that cost 100 times that
 
when will MR stop relying on this idiotic analyst ?

i was already wrong on many rumors: new Apple TV in 2013 and above all: the low cost iPhone :rolleyes:
 
You're missing the point, this wouldn't be an xBox One type console, more like a better Wii (which sold very well if I remember). It would slaughter the competition because of the price. Games are very cheep and often free and very easy to download. There is also a far larger developer community than for any console. They will already have developed powerful games for this new chip by the time this device comes out, as its being used in the latest iPads and iPhones.

Even the Wii has games like Super Mario Galaxy, LoZ Skyward Sword, Metroid Prime 3 and Other M... All of these games are big, expansive, easy to get lost and pour hours into. The NDS has its fair share of vast expansive games, too, like Pokemon. Does iOS have games like that? I don't know any off-hand, but if you can list a few I'll eagerly take note.

But this is what I mean by 'console-quality', and as far as I've seen there are not many iOS games like that. They're usually smaller, easier to digest, you can still invest a lot of time but you can play them over many shorter periods of time. I don't know if it's the internals limiting dev potential, or the form-factor of a portable, but so far I wouldn't call iOS a serious gaming platform even compared to the Wii or the DS.

If they're going to release an ATV SDK, games will be inevitable, and I think Apple could take the opportunity to invest stronger internals into the ATV to really anchor down how serious they are about gaming, if they even are going to release an SDK in the first place.

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i mean how are they going to market a $6000 TV set that, if they have their way, you would HAVE to replace every 2-3 years to support the "current" software feature set ?

Maybe they'll have a stroke of logic and actually decide to support their televisions for a longer period of time, like they normally do with their iMacs. Maybe they'll keep selling the 'disposable' ATV alongside it, like the Mac Mini is sold alongside the iMac.
 
I'm very happy with my AppleTV 2. And I'm sure when Apple does come out with the much rumored AppleTV it will exceed our expectations.

Without Steve, Apple's "vision" is yet to be really tested, so I don't know about that.

From what I've seen so far with regards to "post-Steve" products, the results are a mixed bag (iOS 7, Mac Pro, disposable notebooks--ugh. iPad Air/Mini, Touch ID on iPhone--yay).

That said, what were expecting is Steve's vision for a TV set, so here's to hoping.

If Apple can pull an (original) iTunes and change the way content is accessed and delivered (ie. a la carte & cheap), it'll win this. Sounds like that's what they're trying to achieve. Too bad Steve's not here to drive this; I don't see Tim's soft approach working in this scenario. We need someone with balls.
 
By holding back Apple TV, Apple is building up a WOW impression.

They could easily add App Store, new Apps and a new user interface. They could have added support for 4K and upped the content on iTunes Store to 4K.

So for the time being, adding a A7 to the current Apple TV makes little to no sense. They are better off waiting until they have a grand launch planned with would include a 4K display with a swappable "brain" the setup box. This is how they will upgrade/sell more hardware. People won´t swap their 65" display, but they want to upgrade the "computing" performance.

Launch new content, new user interface, 4K, App Store, flora of Games and new Apps. And you have a WOW moment again. Xbox One is actually a nice step forward, I expect Apple to have at least something this good or much better in store for us.
 
They have that, its called a Mac Mini.:)
I have two as a 10.6.8 servers, ripped all my CDs/DVDs to it, and we can now stream any of them to multiple devices simultaneously. And its all saved onto a 12TB RAID array. I also get automatic back ups of our laptops, web server, DNS server, mobile accounts so my laptop/desktop remain in sync.

I'd love to hear the details of your set up; how you clustered the minis, hardware used, etc. I've been interested in doing something like that for a while.
 
I just don't have a desire for an Apple made television set...

1. I can't upgrade to a new TV every year for every new AX processor. Too much of a hassle.

2. It most likely won't have 2gb of ram and Safari won't be snappy.

3. I don't have a scale large enough to weigh the TV to make sure the weight is as Apple advertises, and that the TV doesn't have any missing parts.

4. The screen may have too much flex and sound hollow when tapped on.....

1. It would have a swapable CPU unit. I would't be surprised if it's an actual ATV with a Thunderbolt connector that you slot into the Side. That way they can sell the same unit to people with existing TV's.

The actual screen unit would need some USP to make it special. Motion control - voice activation ( that works unlike the Sammy TV that doesn't )

2. What?

3. Oh you are just...

4. Trolling....
 
Other than the constant pointless posts promoting KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo business...

If apple know what they are doing and they generally do, and seeing I have as much actually knowledge as Ming, I see the future being:

4" and 5" iPhones with new design
Both exactly the same but with better battery along with the screen.

Decent wearable watch, running full iOS but mainly linked via BT4 to your phone.

iPad processor bump in the next version same design - funny that.

new macs rumbling on...people need keyboards and actual power.

Now if Apple are doing what I think they will and should, is they should use the apple TV ( screen and STB ) as a smart home hub and bring together all the Many many different specs for home automation kit - zigbee zwave etc to control parts of your home and life. They could sell their own stuff but unlikely... like light switches etc but facilitate a home to actually use this stuff with out a degree in Linux.

And then use the watch to control it all. Voice activated etc. "Heating on" - "Turn on lights" - "TV to BBC1" "Record all Downton Abbey" and most importantly scene controls etc.

"I have a date.."
Lights go on dim, Blinds close, Heating turned right up. Burner turned on. Barry White starts air playing

Integration is Apples Key here and what they are very good at and certainly where the others are lacking. Samsung et al have zero consistency and change their UI every iteration and nothing ever works well together.

Anyway... Home / life automation is Apple's future I am sure. That and the promise of an A7 ATV4 with an APP store means could be a killer device...

The new gamepad API is an obvious pointer to me, that this is happening. With tight integration into your phone. Could use the phone / pad to not only control it but directly control the app store and menus etc. This has already been tried out with the second screen use in some games / airplay.

They'd sell more ATV4s in a weekend than all the first 3 gens have all time.

Actually the more I think about it I am surprised they don't buy up the Harmony remote from logitech when they were selling that devision. If only for the code DB.
 
wouldn't mind 3D itunes movies. just sayin

apple tv is a neat thing--inexpensive and tiny, with a near minimum of cable clutter.

they'll need to make sure cable companies don't all lash out with data caps in comcast fashion.
 
I like my Apple TV's just fine. Don't love them, but they serve a purpose. I could certainly live without them. But in all honesty, I've just about lost interest in anything that Apple might be doing with Television. It's just been too long in the waiting and I really don't think anything truly groundbreaking is coming anytime soon. A new hockey puck with an improved processor just doesn't do much for me.
 
They have that, its called a Mac Mini.:)
I have two as a 10.6.8 servers, ripped all my CDs/DVDs to it, and we can now stream any of them to multiple devices simultaneously. And its all saved onto a 12TB RAID array. I also get automatic back ups of our laptops, web server, DNS server, mobile accounts so my laptop/desktop remain in sync.

I had thought about doing that but it's a rather expensive way of doing it. All they really need to do is replace the current AppleTV box with an "Airport Television" box to sit alongside the other Airport devices.

Provide a simple dongle that plugs into the HDMI port on the back of your TV which connects wirelessly to your Airport Television box which is connected to your broadband connection.

Put a decent hard drive inside with a RAID option. Then whenever you download content from iTunes it's stored centrally on your Airport Television rather than locally on your Mac or iOS device (unless you want to add it to them). Then add a slingbox type functionality to stream your content over the internet to your iPad/iPhone while you are out of the house, or alternatively have a mirrored system with all your content available in iCloud to stream wirelessly.

They could do all that relatively cheaply and knock it out for a few hundred bucks.

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I mean how are they going to market a $6000 TV set that, if they have their way, you would HAVE to replace every 2-3 years to support the "current" software feature set ?

That's the real problem they have. If you look at Apple's current revenues, something like 90% of all their sales are of products costing less than a $1000 - that's mainly iPhones and iPads. That's where the growth is - affordable tech. Not $6k TV's. That would be just another niche market like the Mac Pro. They might make a decent margin but they wouldn't sell many at that price.
 
:apple:TV simply needs dedicated focus… with those in charge of it being granted broad decision-making authority to make the most of it. If a relatively tiny company like Roku and even Netflix can make a broad array of content deals with limited "war chests," just think what a behemoth like Apple could accomplish if they had a Roku or Netflix-like team singularly focused on "out-Rokuing" those smaller fish.

I suspect the problem is that Apple is still run like a small company with a small handful of guys at the very top demanding to be in on all decisions- big & nitty gritty- such that they are bottlenecks to maximizing progress. Sure Apple is immensely successful and they seem to be a bunch of very smart guys. But where bottlenecks show is in situations like this. What this looks like is: "we make more money on this other stuff and can't give this "hobby" much attention now. Maybe 2015." What it should look like is: "we're fully occupied with iPhones, etc but we need the business to grow beyond what we can personally contribute. So let's DELEGATE decision-making authority to a dedicated team and charge them with 'out-Rokuing' Roku and making our little 'hobby' into a 4th leg of the table." If they fail, no big deal- it was only a 'hobby.' If they succeed, we all get bigger bonuses and we can take most of the 'brilliance' credit at the special event rollout anyway."

I'm sure the perpetual Apple-can-do-no-wrong cheerleaders will scream sacrilege at the above, but look at it very simply: how can a Roku with extraordinarily limited financial and corporate resources relative to Apple accomplish so much having arrived on the scene AFTER Apple? How? They are focused on their little boxes, with a team hungry to make the most of it. They have a team that can make decisions and do deals and are probably charged with getting such deals done ASAP. What we keep hearing from Apple is rumors of teams being pulled off of their focal points to help finish up something in a new version of iOS or OS X… as if Apple barely has enough resources on hand to keep the existing plates spinning. And yet, we're all so quick to rah-rah the ever-growing war chest which could be used to staff focal point areas if Apple was actually understaffed.

Launch delays because of "circling the wagons" to get the favored product out the door is a classic sign of bottleneck management (focused on the favorite thing at the expense of the less favored things). What should happen there is that the less favored things should get their own leadership with decision-making authority to maximize those things. Where could Apple use this? IMO, all Apple things other than iDevices: the "hobby", Macs, all of the unique Apple software products, even OS X, etc

I've said it for years now: this little box could be a very HOT product for Apple. I've got several of them myself. All it needs is Roku-like attention, focus and decision-making (sans bottlenecks). If Apple doesn't want to advance it internally, build the app store for it and let third parties realize it's potential. Instead, it's excuse after excuse, year after year: "we keep pushing the string", "hobby", etc. It's a shame really as it seems it would be easy for Apple to fully take this market if they would just get after it. Instead, they are allowing little guys to bite into it more and more.
 
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