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Apple Tells Reseller New Mac Pro Is Arriving in Spring 2013
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For their low end I would love to see about the same form factor as they have now but mostly iMac level parts. You would still have things like board slots, real graphics cards, and multiple drive bays all while being upgradeable. At the same time though, it would solve problems like USB3. They do not need to wait, just pop in a high-end i7.
The high ends would use the upcoming xeon so they get USB3 and TB as well. Outwardly they would look like the low-end (maybe slightly bigger).
On both the OD would be an option. It does not make much sense to remove it but why cut off their noses to spite their face as some will need it.
The high ends would use the upcoming xeon so they get USB3 and TB as well. Outwardly they would look like the low-end (maybe slightly bigger).
On both the OD would be an option. It does not make much sense to remove it but why cut off their noses to spite their face as some will need it.
I want a desktop that's actually the top of a desk. If anyone can do that, apple can. Although the optional brushed aluminium legs at £299 a piece could get expensive.
Pro means Professional
As in; for the professional market.
That is the definition of what the Mac Pro is supposed to be.
As opposed to Final Cut Pro X, that was made for High School students - along with Logic Pro, which is now guitarist and young academic centric which, thankfully, they pulled the V.10 release on earlier last year.
The current iteration is pathetic for the current market but I am really looking forward to multiple thunderbolt sockets and USB 3 on the new beast
Bring it on!
As in; for the professional market.
That is the definition of what the Mac Pro is supposed to be.
As opposed to Final Cut Pro X, that was made for High School students - along with Logic Pro, which is now guitarist and young academic centric which, thankfully, they pulled the V.10 release on earlier last year.
The current iteration is pathetic for the current market but I am really looking forward to multiple thunderbolt sockets and USB 3 on the new beast
Bring it on!
You need it to be more expensive than an equivalent machine from a different manufacturer?
The mac pro won't/can't provide big performance gains over the imac, unless you have parallel workload and they continue to offer dual CPU boards. Their dual CPU machines were always surprisingly good value.
I'm a little worried it'll just be a newest-gen 4/6 core i7 with a workstation price tag. An i7 mac pro at any clock, with any quantity of pci-e slots etc should be really be cheaper than the iMac.
As in; for the professional market.
That is the definition of what the Mac Pro is supposed to be.
As opposed to Final Cut Pro X, that was made for High School students - along with Logic Pro, which is now guitarist and young academic centric which, thankfully, they pulled the V.10 release on earlier last year.
The current iteration is pathetic for the current market but I am really looking forward to multiple thunderbolt sockets and USB 3 on the new beast
Bring it on!
I agree to a point that it's for the Pro market but there's also the middle ground of hobbyists who've spent a lifetime buying Macs that offer some level of expandability for a £1,000+ price tag, even if it's just the ability to add a couple of PCI cards, 2 internal drives and update the RAM who Apple have left out in the cold since switching to Intel.
The Mac Pro comes out and if you don't want an all-in-one or laptop it's either a choice of the Mac Mini or a workstation with a £1600+, now £2000+ price tag!
Recent advancements in CPU and the addition of Thunderbolt expansion systems make the Mac Mini or Macbook Pro a viable alternative for some people but it's a shame it's come to that.
I also don't see what they've done to Logic as a negative. If Apple added features that benefit music tech students while simultaneously lowered it's price tag considerably and got rid of the annoying copy protection dongle, how can it be anything but an upward step in the right direction unless people are elitist and don't like the idea of someone less "Pro" than they consider themselves to be using their precious software?
It still offers features Pro Tools HD lacks or only just got after 10 versions which Avid still leave out of all but their HD/HD native systems so they can gouge everyone with their overpriced DSP cards that seem overkill in a world of CPUs that offer more and more plug-in power by the year and SSDs that eliminate the bottleneck of recording to hard drives.
It's just a shame Logic still has that awful interface that makes comparisons with Pro Tools on a usability scale seem like comparing Photoshop to iPhoto.
I thought Intel made the motherboards for the old MacPro but Intel's getting out of the motherboard-making business which should be slightly scary since then the new MacPro might be the first in a line using new MB manufacturer/designer. (?)
It is interesting that you mention VMWare and Apple having something in the works, as I read in Wired magazine that the two companies are teaming up to bring an online version of Apple's iWork suite to the iPad. Since VMWare and Apple are hammering out a deal with office productivity software, this may be an indication that there are some more developments that may come along in the near future regarding virtualization...
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Intel has announced that it will get out of the desktop motherboard business, which not only affects Apple and the Mac Pro, but ALL desktop computers including PCs. So I would think that there is a major shift coming along, both toward mobile computing (laptops, notebooks, tablets) and what we will see on the desktop.
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No just the facts if they use a dual cpu setup they will need to be xeon or better.
I am hoping for a Mac Pro that can easily be racked as well... without taking up so much space. For our relatively small school district of about 1300 students and a couple hundred staff, OS X Server does a fine job for our basic needs: DNS, DHCP, file sharing, basic print services with CUPS, Web hosting, etc. We have a pretty simple set up, and my tests with Mountain Lion Server so far have proven that an upgrade from our Xserves with Snow Leopard Server to new Mac Pros with Mountain Lion Server would be an easy transition. I, personally, like the latest version of Server.app and the features in Mountain Lion Server... Lion Server was weird to manage (switching between Server.app and WGM/SA. Of course, I could also use Mac minis, but I really want a more rugged machine with server-grade parts, multiple ethernet ports, and internal RAID storage, etc. So, bring on a somewhat smaller Mac Pro that we can rack easily, and I'll take three! lol
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I hope that the new Mac Pros include redundant PSUs and hot swappable drives... we'll see soon enough, I guess.
Rackmount option.
Exactly. Assuming they stick with both single and dual CPU options, it makes way more sense to just use i7 in the single CPU version and only use the xeon where it is needed in the dual. They are different motherboards anyway, it's not like they're using the same one and shipping the base model with an empty cpu slot. Although at this point I don't know if the i7s are that much cheaper than the equivalent xeons any more, there was initially a big difference in price, then that difference went away, but I don't know how prices compare with the new versions.
Even though both versions are xeon, Apple has always used two separate motherboards for single and dual intel CPU.
People who think that the new machine will improve performance over the top end previous generation. You think they will make the next ones a step down in CPU performance? Or will intel have single cpus that can outperform the current dual 6 cores?
People will call it the "new cube".
Completely silent, if equipped with ssds.
No need for bulky towers with propellers any more.
OSx is more likely to become a variant of IOS than develop VM-ing ability.
I think Apple recognized that there are only a couple of things that Mac OS has over Linux. And most cases Microsoft server OS or Linux OS is better suited and more powerful.
For one thing they would need to start shipping OS X with up to date versions of Apache, PHP and MySQL.
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Intel is getting out of retail motherboards, it isn't killing off its motherboard chipset business. That would be stupid.
Desktops may be declining in favor of laptops and mobile devices among consumers, but there will still be the corporate sector and servers.
Besides, pretty sure Foxconn was making the motherboards.
Wouldn't be the first time Apple gets chips in advance.
For real pro usage, there will be too long gap from march to unknown time, when new Xeons are officially released.
If Apple does not give timetable in march about what's going to happen to MP, they will loose the most pros they still have.
Maybe you should keep that hackintosh, you'll never know if there even will be new...Like 12 seconds after I buy a hackintosh! I'm not kidding!
Anything better for MP than last year could be considered "great" now.
Although, there's always the fear with Apple's redesigns nowadays that what they will take away this time?
You could say same for iMac, but what they did...
Damn expensive slot that is then. You have to pay $500-$800 to get that slot even exist.
Ever tried gloves? Many pros use them when they have to carry a lot of heavy things.
Very wise and logical points. Hopefully MP will be the only product from Apple, where only these factors apply.
Those extra pci-lanes can be easily consumed with 4 tb sockets if they want.
I have always liked heavy boxes having handles.
Surely they can fit the antennas in MP? Or are you thinking about external antennas?
Some people would like to have xMac, some needs bigger MP, some would like to have redundant server back.
If Apple really cared about these needs, they would make 3 different models.
There should be market for all of those after all halo effect macs are getting from iOS devices recent years...
xMac could be i7 and have 4 pci slots and 2 tb sockets.
MP could have 6 pci slots and 4 tb sockets.
You shouldn't laugh so seriously!
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on 2009+ Mac Pros the processors are on in essence a daughter card the interfaces with the MoBo like a really big PCI card.
In 2008 Mac Pro's that were single CPU's were just double sockets with a processor and heat sink missing.
It make way more sense to just use Xeons through the whole line.
OS X Server is actually a pretty powerful and scalable solution, as Apple itself points out: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4780