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Maybe it doesn't bother you, but it bothers me. Enough to have sold my iPhone 7. I wear headphones a lot of my working day. When it came to the train journey home, those headphones didn't work with my phone and I kept forgetting the other headphones.

It's easier when there are standards.


And you couldn't master using the free adapter either huh? You are right, life is hard.
 
calm down - seriously - I made a simple comment about who set up the 16g limit - it wasn't apple. Skylake supports low power ram up to 16 Maybe Kabylake or Coffeelake next year will support more. if Apple wants more ram with a new chip from Intel they can't use low power ram they would have to increase thickness and weight simply for a much larger battery. Finally 16g is more than enough for most users and I can't imagine there are THAT many professional video editors making movies on a laptop. Apple, I'm guessing, is designing this computer for the mobile professional who wants to carry around the lightest most powerful computer they can. I for one hate carrying around a heavy computer.

They're certainly not designing for developers, technical sales, photographers who work with panographic images. The issue is that it should have been an option, and it isn't. Apple thinks they know best for everyone, rather than letting us make the choice ourselves.
 
You sound like you have a cool job and life. I am jealous.

really funny, for me it sounded like hell on earth. 200+ days on the road? uff ... i couldn't imagine. so funny how different expectations for a job are. same probably applies to the expectations towards the new macbook.
 
There is no doubt a market for the 2016 MBP. Just how large—despite initial orders—will be determined in time.

Apple has made a bet here on all iOS and effectively pulled the plug on their professional customers. If this MBP is anything to go from then they will be discontinuing the remainder of the Macintosh line or eventually releasing desktops no more robust in what they were or could be. Actually, it seems they are not entirely sure what to do; on the one hand wishing to done with all Macintosh already, but in legacy and fear feeling they can't, so at least in the interim devolving and downgrading it more as some type of iPad—and making a mess of that.

There is certainly every chance that Apple, its suppliers, and its 2016 MBP customers will mostly all come to regret this decision. Too soon to say, that better determined once they've had a chance to live with its inherent limitations for awhile.

Of course this is speculation on my part. Wishful thinking as well as I was hoping for something distinctly different and more capable in a new MacBook Pro; feeling that if the 2016 MBP eventually blows up in Apple's face then they might be forced to reconsider their direction. But as said, there will be those who this 2016 MBP largely suits, even perchance love it—if maybe wondering in time why they hadn't just purchased an iPad—and if those numbers prove large enough and sustainable then this die is cast. Apple proved right in its foresight once again, all iOS predominant and off to a bright future.

But that is tomorrow. Today Apple is offering a new MBP that many of its loyal customers want nothing to do with, and rightly so. Their needs and desires may be ignored and dismissed—yet possibly proved valid in the end.
 
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Performance per watt is exactly the problem. Apple is focused on thin and light to the exclusion of all else, which then drives smaller batteries, which then drives lousy performance. These new machines should have been the 13 and 15 macbook's, and then had a high-performance pro in the 2015 form factor.

How many people actually have thunderbolt 3 devices that can use more than USB 3.1 bandwidth? Essentially none.

The GPU is a minor bump over last year, and falls at the bottom of the pack for currently available options. The SSD is important because it'll improve swap speed, but RAM is still a bottleneck. The CPU performance itself bump is minor too. Screen color gamut is nice.

The net is that it's a collection of minor updates with minimal practical performance improvement, a gimmicky touchbar that damages usability (keyboards work because of muscle memory - to use the touchbar, you'll have to move your eyes from the screen - at that point, the net user performance is similar to using a mouse), and a price increase.

It's the combination of those things that has caused the outcry:

1) Mediocre performance improvements
2) Need for multiple dongles (I count 6 for me)
3) Price increase

Remove any one of the three, and it'd be just the usual griping. The three combined show Apple's arrogance continues unabated.

There's much better hardware - on any spec, or collection of specs - at a lower price point. If it weren't for the monopoly on OSX, and the fact that we had essentially no updates for three years, Apple would be looking at a failed launch. But because they neglected the mac line so long, and the alternative is windows, they have pent up demand to make it a success. I hope they realize though, that they pissed off many of their longest and most loyal customers by focusing on the mid to lower range customer.


"which then drives lousy performance" - really? have you used one? do you know it has "lousy performance"? People like you were complaining that apples iPhone chip with "only" dual core (vs. quad core) had lower specs that qualcam (or name company) chips. Turns out Apples chips beat all other chips - even a year later. Same complaint about the amount of ram apple puts in their phones.
 
Why are people saying the iPhone 7 should be USB-C? That just means you'd have a USB-A to USB-C cable in the box, or a USB-C to USB-C cable (if Apple had forced people to only be able to plug it into the MacBook and new MacBook Pro).

Leaving the iPhone 7 as Lightning makes no difference to the other end of the included cable.
 
"which then drives lousy performance" - really? have you used one? do you know it has "lousy performance"? People like you were complaining that apples iPhone chip with "only" dual core (vs. quad core) had lower specs that qualcam (or name company) chips. Turns out Apples chips beat all other chips - even a year later. Same complaint about the amount of ram apple puts in their phones.

All the benchmarks available show that the CPU in this year's model is essentially flat to last years. It uses less power, but that's irrelevant to users who need high performance portable machines.
 
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All the benchmarks available show that the CPU in this year's model is essentially flat to last years. It uses less power, but that's irrelevant to users who need high performance portable machines.
So which processors, regardless of TDP are the amazing performance jump you guys are looking for?

They're mostly in desktops, no?
 
LOL.

The new MacBooks make the 2015 versions look more appealing.

The refurbished ones are selling out fast - regularly disappearing from the site.
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So which processors, regardless of TDP are the amazing performance jump you guys are looking for?

They're mostly in desktops, no?

Exactly the point - there isn't a good option right now (thanks Intel), which is why the price bump is so unwarranted.

The GPU is a different story - there's a LOT of much better options available.

If they'd either had better performance, no dongles, or no price increase, the griping would probably be 10% of what it is.
 
No idea what the intended audience for this mac is. Artist? nope. Photographers? nope. Illustrators? Nope. Game developers? nope. DJs? definitely no. Videographers? Nope.
This is just an expensive computer not for PROS. They should have called it just Mac book, because it does not have anything Pro.
My Mac Pro is already 3 yo, it is time for me to take the difficult step to move to another platform . Can't wait 3 more years for apple to catch up. I can't do my work on a subpar notebook or ancient desktop, much less on an iPad , phone or watch.'Apple has turned into a behemoth money and revenue oriented, in complete disregard of those that kept it afloat during the apocalypse. Well wish you the best.
 
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I'm a professional. That is to say, I use my computer to earn a living, and I will be buying the new model. I've also never set foot in Starbucks. I must be some kind of anomaly?

I will however be waiting this time around to gather information form the community after they're released. I got stung last time with an LG panel with image retention that is getting worse and worse.

I set foot in Starbucks once when I was young and the path to enlightenment hadn't revealed itself to me. I just thought it was a coffee shop. Oh how wrong can one be?
 
You've got to be kidding me. I'm running 250 + tracks in ProTools HD for an Imax Immersive 12 channel mix here on a (tired) 2013 15" MBP - I can plug my system into the monitoring system of a mixing theatre or cut at home in my back room. I do this for a living, but now I'm surprised to find out that I'm not a professional. Thanks internet.
ProTools HD can run just fine on a 1997 Cube :p
 
They're certainly not designing for developers, technical sales, photographers who work with panographic images. The issue is that it should have been an option, and it isn't. Apple thinks they know best for everyone, rather than letting us make the choice ourselves.
if you're editing a picture that requires more that 16G your not doing it on a laptop. http://gettinggeek.com/much-ram-need-laptop/
 

And you couldn't master using the free adapter either huh? You are right, life is hard.


Is there an adapter that turns lightning headphones into regular ones?

You probably want to go back and re-read the thread. Mildred couldn't remember to bring her lightning equipped headphones or wireless ones with her and would find herself with only her headphones from work which had a 3.5mm plug. She got so frustrated that she couldn't remember to bring her other headphones that she had to sell her iPhone 7. She said life would be easier if everyone followed the same standard, i.e., Apple didn't use lightning plugs on the iPhone 7. I agreed with her that life was hard because you had to either remember to bring the free lightning earbuds, or a wireless pair, or remember that Apple gave her a free adapter so her headphones with a 3.5mm plug would work on her iPhone 7.

It's a good question about a lightning to 3.5mm adapter. I don't know the answer.
 
Here's one thing Apple should not be optimistic about - its long term future.
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if you're editing a picture that requires more that 16G your not doing it on a laptop. http://gettinggeek.com/much-ram-need-laptop/

Yep, I, and other family members are, all the time. We can only afford a single machine, and have to have portability (for example, to go print on a high-end UV printer).

At work, I have tech reps who regularly blow past even 32 GB of ram when running virtual machines for demos.
 
The new MacBooks make the 2015 versions look more appealing.

Depending on the model, the prices are suggesting you might be right. - The picture below is for the high-end model:
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It's a good question about a lightning to 3.5mm adapter. I don't know the answer.

Yeah, I doubt you could - it'd require power for the DAC. I saw the picture of someone with lightning headphones at an ATM underneath Tim's quote about accessibility being important - the ATM, of course, had a 3.4mm port.
 
Why are people saying the iPhone 7 should be USB-C? That just means you'd have a USB-A to USB-C cable in the box, or a USB-C to USB-C cable (if Apple had forced people to only be able to plug it into the MacBook and new MacBook Pro).

Leaving the iPhone 7 as Lightning makes no difference to the other end of the included cable.

It wouldn't help a lot at this very moment, but if you're going to make all digital headphones, it would be nice if I could plug them into my Mac and into my iPhone as well. And, it would be nice if there was a single cable for, more or less, everything. If Apple means to "embrace the future" with this, do it. Dump the proprietary connector.
 
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