Yes, unfortunately- that appears to be the way that most home electronics are going. More often than not, if something goes wrong, you just have to throw it away. Visualize mountains and mountains of electronics in the dump....
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I love how they always make it brighter...when you already have to dim them down to get accurate color representation for soft proofing.
Don't get me wrong - there's times when I'd like brighter. Just not for anything where I'm soft proofing or trying to gauge color (not, honestly, that I'd do that on a laptop screen to begin with).
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Oh, you just made my day!
I know exactly what an appeal to status is, what amused me was you doing the same thing with your degrees. Or perhaps that was an appeal to authority, Dr. ?
There is your problem. Some people need 32 GB and some people need/want 10 h battery life. Whatever Apple chooses, somebody is not going to be happy. And I don't think there is much dispute that the vast majority of users are fine with 16 GB and that a vast majority will enjoy a longer battery life and a thinner and lighter body significantly more than they would enjoy 32 GB. And even keeping the same thickness and battery size as the 2015 MBP wouldn't have gotten us the same battery life with 32 GB.
So, what do you do, if maybe 15% of your users want 32 GB, battery life be damned? Release a computer with those specs and make your computer stand out noticeably less for being light, thin and having pretty long battery life?
What you see here is people not caring about users with different priorities, not wanting to consider that those other users very likely present a clear majority, and not allowing Apple to make decisions that increase their sales (by making the laptops thinner and lighter with a pretty long battery). I guess that counts as the moral high ground. /s
Some more considerate people suggest or imply that Apple should release multiple models that don't differ in price point but in design decisions.
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For the record, here's how that conversation went:
You called the video card weak:
You must love having the weaker graphics card option this year, same base ssd as last gen, and no 32gb of ram. But I bet that touch bar will really help with edits.
He responds directly to that, pointing out that he's not into visual special effects (i.e. doesn't need a beast of a video card), ... he edits video:
He simply told you specifically what he does for a living and how the video card is fine for that line of work. That was a specific response to a comment you made. And ever since then you've been prattling on about him doing that as an "appeal to status"?!
Further more, he made a very solid point about how the specs are an improvement to him. Your response? You pivot your comment from specs to "you should be ashamed at what you paid for that"...
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Upgradable or not, electronics don't exactly age like wine. There comes a point where it's not longer useful. Wouldn't it be nice if some company out there focused on making its machines as recyclable and environmentally friendly as possible—even if there was some premium to be paid for it? What if they also reduced the size of their machines to a point that they used up less raw materials in the first place?
Oh wait...
You must love having the weaker graphics card option this year, same base ssd as last gen, and no 32gb of ram. But I bet that touch bar will really help with edits.
What I'm really going to love is power-friendly integrated graphics on the go and an eGPU when at my desk when I actually need the power... and basically having an option for real graphics on the 13" laptops.
Thunderbolt 3 is awesome, and as the products come out in full over the next year, it's going to be especially nice.
Well pointed out. You're dead one right - Apple needs to release two different models for the different classes of users. Instead they released one, and pretend, spin and price, that it's a top-end machine. It isn't. They're premium (overpriced) mid-range machines.
To be fair, we shouldn't be surprised - Apple's been trying to extract itself from the top-end market (I'll avoid using pro here, because it's a loaded term), for years. The trash can is vastly out of date and while a neat design, not very practical (rack mounting for example). They either need to fish or cut bait on the top end - get in the pool, or get out and tell us they're getting out. But the lip service and arrogance Apple shows is just insulting.
I think, I could live with something like this:Nah... using a microSD card the way I do for supplemental storage, without ever removing it, I don't want anything sticking out the side. If I regularly swapped it out, like for transferring photos between a camera and my MBP, it would be less of a consideration. Thanks though for stopping by...
Yeah. I like the THEORY of one cable to rule them all, but as always the actual implementation leaves something to be desired. I suspect this will be less of an issue in a year or two but it's certainly an issue now.
I agree USB-C/thunderbolt is a great thing. But now, four is not enough. I refuse to accept I will need dongles to either expand it, or to add functionality. One port will be taken for power. One will be taken for SD card port. One will be taken for Ethernet because I need speed, not wireless. Now I have one port free. This is totally unacceptable. I rather have the laptop be thicker if I can get all the ports I need. I can live with no optical discs since i use it 0.1% of the time.
See here's the thing. It doesn't have to be an either or situation. If you're smart about designing the machine you can actually have your cake AND eat it.
Making the machine 2mm thicker and including a mix of current and future ports would have satisfied the needs of the vast majority of customers in nearly all situations, instead of only a certain segment at a time. That is what separates good industrial design from mediocre.
Here's another one.
The entry level 13 inch only has two USB-C ports and no magsafe, which will quite often put the user in a 'pick two out of three' situation. If you want to plug the machine into a monitor AND and attach an external drive you can suddenly no longer charge it. Or you can charge it, but need to drop the monitor or external drive. We can complicate this even more if at the same time you also decide to charge your phone, which is about to run out of juice or offload an SD card. So, your choice is to compromise and be inconvenienced or buy a dongle to bandaid a poor design decision.
Do you know what you call a design that exists for the sake of design and compromises the functionality and ease of use of the device?
A failure.
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Yeah not needing a great video card does not make the video card great. What part of that is difficult to understand?
Wrong. You (and he) are making a straw man. A bump in the speed of the hard drive is not the only issue at play. The size is a factor as well. You and he simply want to ignore that aspect.
There are other issues I could go into skylake vs kaby for example but lets not kid ourselves that you're into discussing this. You just want to prop someone up (as a proxy) because of the dig from earlier.
You're joking right? You do all that with one hub. One tiny hub.
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Meanwhile, you continue to come off as a self important...something.
If you need Ethernet, I already know you're tethered to a desk. One dock covers EVERYTHING. That's the way this is meant to be used. So, 1 dock = power, ethernet, video, USB accessories (keyboard, mouse, whatever) and depending on how you manage your SD card, it either goes into the same dock as well, or into an adapter.
I have a 2013 MacBook Pro. 95% of the time I plug into power and Thunderbolt, that's it. That's what the port is for. I have USB, Ethernet, video, etc. When you sit at your desk, you shouldn't be plugging in a dozen cables. You should be plugging in one or two. The only people who should even need to use multiple Thunderbolt ports at a desk are those that literally need to utilize multiple busses for driving 5K displays and such. That's about it.
Home setup, and I plug in two whole cables (which would be only one using Thunderbolt 3):
And here you pivot again. We were talking about you calling him out for his "appeal to status".
You must love having the weaker graphics card option this year, same base ssd as last gen, and no 32gb of ram. But I bet that touch bar will really help with edits.
Wow. So many errors...
- The GPU is most definitely NOT weaker than last year's MBP. The Radeon Pro 460 runs 1.85 teraflops at peak performance with a TDP of less than 35 watts. That performance / TDP ratio is an incredible achievement. Sure, it's not the top performance for a mobile GPU, but it will do fine for 4K video production, multilayer Photoshop editing, professional multitrack DAW recording, and 1080p games without causing thermal induced fertility problems.
- The SSD is significantly faster than ANY current laptop (Windows or Mac). MacVidCards reported 1760MB/s sequential write speed for the 512GB capacity SSD. That is smoking!
- I dare say, most "pros" including myself will do absolutely fine with 16GB ram. There are a few that will need more than 16GB (but they are a small minority in the Pro landscape). For those people, Apple needs to update the Mac Pro.
- The touch bar will be awesome!
Well that puts things into perspective. This should have it some thread and a discussion about how we are doing the exact same thing we did years ago. Maybe we should calm down and just be patient until the prices go downLook at what people were saying back in 2013 about the Macbook Pro .... https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1244m4/apples_13_macbook_pro_pricing_is_batshit_insane/
The comments sound very similar to todays.
Maybe you need to reread the thread and look at where the self-importance started:
You don't have to be a Pro to need gpu intensive tasks. Macs never did a good job in games and aren't up to the job to do VR. Sorry I expect more from a premium priced machine.
For folks who are ideal candidates for Chromebooks, I'd argue that they may be fine with a tablet really. It can't do as many things (by a longshot) vs. a typical MacBook, nor even a $400 to $800 range Windows laptop. However, at only $190 (after shipping
), it REALLY excels at consumption, Office like documents, and moderately lower productivity stuffYou're better off with any combination of the following, then definitely get a CB:
--do a lot of typing
--use Google's services
--use Google's software programs
--need something that boots up and shuts down very quickly
--great browsing experience (multitouch trackpad)
--want 10" to 14" screens
--use external memory (like micro SD cards or USB pen drives)