Agreed. I would think they would form a partnership where Apple products are deeply integrated into their cars but not to the point where other car manufacturers can't use Apple services like CarPlay.
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Agreed. I would think they would form a partnership where Apple products are deeply integrated into their cars but not to the point where other car manufacturers can't use Apple services like CarPlay.
Cook is NOT Jobs. Musk is at least a Jobs.
I'm afraid Apple has had it's day; Cook is NOT a Jobs.
Musk is at least a Jobs - we will see great things from Tesla/Space X/Solar City.
Apple with Cook will blunder on for quite a few years but basically they have LOST it.
I'm afraid Apple has had it's day; Cook is NOT a Jobs.
Musk is at least a Jobs - we will see great things from Tesla/Space X/Solar City.
Apple with Cook will blunder on for quite a few years but basically they have LOST it.
I see Teslas driving around all the time. They're a public company with a $27.71G market cap. They're not vaporware like Fisker.
I really admire them and wish them success, but a tiny part of me wants them to die just because I predicted that it would happen due to copying in some economics project in 12th grade and would like my analysis (whether it was correct or not based on what I knew) to have a little support
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Wait, are you being serious or not?
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Hahaha, please keep this coming. Complete surrealism.
Do you imagine someone not knowing what these emblems mean?
If you consider the concept is similar in form or size with this
Then, I'm sorry, because it's the opposite reality.
They've probably got less credit that Mercedes but definitely have the more exciting brand.
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Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure out how to make the roads more efficient with Xcode, C99, my laptop, and some long nights in the student lounge.
They are not unknown, in the USA... Outside of that, the vast majority would have absolutely no clue who/what Tesla are. Zero. Zilch. Zippo. None.
Sounds like a vacuum cleaner.
Unfortunately my US friends, this is a classic case of y'all confusing the States and the world. They are not the same thing.
You are so incredibly wrong. Here a little example of how unknown Tesla is in Amsterdam, about 20% of all taxis from the airport are Teslas now.
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/10/21/amsterdam-airport-enlists-167-tesla-taxis/
Tesla has stores in most European high streets now.
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There are two Fiskers in my street alone. They regularly block the charging station and parts of the parking spaces adjacent because they are so long.
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sigh.... no-one is arguing that Tesla is an equally big or larger brand than Ferrari et al.
The fact of the matter is that it has since about a year become a well-known brand at least in Europe, due to many main-stream media reporting on the cars being very successful on the market both in the US and Europe.
And with very successful I don't mean sales numbers like the BMW 5 series, but for what can be considered successful for an electric car in its price range, taking into account the limited availability of charging stations.
Were about to say the same... Tesla is trying to do the same to the electrical car, that the iPod did to the MP3 player. Not everyone can afford one at the moment (market share might not be iPod like) but I hear a lot using "Tesla" instead of saying electrical car.
Still not anything like Apple (yet?) as they are still not able to make a profit, and the new Model X looks like crap
I dunno, after that Elon Musk Simpsons episode aired a lot of my friends (UK) had no idea who he was or what Tesla was. It's not that common a brand over here I guess.
They're certainly not vapourware though.
There are a few Telsa's around where I live in Canada. There's a Tesla store in a major shopping mall.
Quite a well known brand. They've been in the news quite a bit due to their issues with Car Dealerships.
Sure, they don't sell the quantity of cars as other manufacturers, but... Definitely more than just an 'unknown brand'.
The building where I park regularly has parking spots with chargers for electric cars
Quite a well known brand. They've been in the news quite a bit due to their issues with Car Dealerships.
Sure, they don't sell the quantity of cars as other manufacturers, but... Definitely more than just an 'unknown brand'.
The building where I park regularly has parking spots with chargers for electric cars
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I drive a Model S and it really is an incredible car. I'm not one of those people who can't tolerate driving an ICE car anymore but I certainly prefer the experience in my Tesla.
One area where I'm sure that these Apple employees have had an impact is the over the air firmware updates on the car. It really is incredible that you buy a car one day and a month later they release software that you can download in your garage that add real solid improvements to the car. I could probably name at least 10 things I love now that my car didn't have when I took delivery a little over a year ago.
I don't know if Tesla really is the future as it will all come down to the scalability of the batteries. Time will tell if Gigafactory can have that needed impact.
One area where I'm sure that these Apple employees have had an impact is the over the air firmware updates on the car. It really is incredible that you buy a car one day and a month later they release software that you can download in your garage that add real solid improvements to the car. I could probably name at least 10 things I love now that my car didn't have when I took delivery a little over a year ago.
I don't know if Tesla really is the future as it will all come down to the scalability of the batteries. Time will tell if Gigafactory can have that needed impact.
Famous and important are two different things.
It's ok to admit you are wrong when you are. People respect forum posters more, in my opinion, when they do.
But as you wrote early last night - clearly you were just in this thread to drive the post rate up with your nonsense.
In the valley, as everywhere else on the planet, every good company is always on the prowl for talent; it is a truism that talent is the most limited of resources.
So I see this story as two things:
1. Reflection of reality. Indeed, in the IT industry job hopping is not unusual think of all the Apple guys that moved on to other companies. Think of all the other talent Apple has hired for other initiatives, like Watch, in the past few years. As a contrast, if ine looks at the more mundane mechanical aspects of the Tesla vehicles, I think one will see that much of this talent was poached from Tesla's auto OEM competitors. Looking back to the Detroit auto industry of the last century, it wasn't unusual to find talent "moving across the street" to the next OEM (think Knudsen Jr., Delorean, Teague, Engel, and that most prolific and successful -both career and impact on the industry-wise- of movers, Bob Lutz.).
2. Talking about how Tesla has been able to lure talent from Apple or how hard Apple tries to lure talent from Tesla helps put a halo on the team members and sheen on the operation.
So this is a dog bites man kind of story.
The lost lede in such a story is how these companies run their talent conveyor belts, to attract, train and promote talent so that when the oft inevitable and sometimes even desireable defections occur, there is a pool of qualified talent already in the organization ready to move into the vacated slot.
So I see this story as two things:
1. Reflection of reality. Indeed, in the IT industry job hopping is not unusual think of all the Apple guys that moved on to other companies. Think of all the other talent Apple has hired for other initiatives, like Watch, in the past few years. As a contrast, if ine looks at the more mundane mechanical aspects of the Tesla vehicles, I think one will see that much of this talent was poached from Tesla's auto OEM competitors. Looking back to the Detroit auto industry of the last century, it wasn't unusual to find talent "moving across the street" to the next OEM (think Knudsen Jr., Delorean, Teague, Engel, and that most prolific and successful -both career and impact on the industry-wise- of movers, Bob Lutz.).
2. Talking about how Tesla has been able to lure talent from Apple or how hard Apple tries to lure talent from Tesla helps put a halo on the team members and sheen on the operation.
So this is a dog bites man kind of story.
The lost lede in such a story is how these companies run their talent conveyor belts, to attract, train and promote talent so that when the oft inevitable and sometimes even desireable defections occur, there is a pool of qualified talent already in the organization ready to move into the vacated slot.
I've driven one many times and I think the screen is a gimmick and poor from an ergonomics perspective. It's incredibly dangerous to be looking down at the screen to just do something simple like open the sunroof.
There's also a good deal of lag in the browser so it's not like you can just surf as you would on a huge iPad.
I for one would prefer a much smaller screen, but still sizeable and bright, with controls like BMW's I drive.
The brightest most talented employees have greater respect for and prefer to work under CEOs (like Jobs and Musk) who are strong leaders and who put performance and attention to detail above the profits first mentality so cherished by Cook. Keep chasing those numbers Cook. Top employees will walk, and customers as well.
Still waiting for Apple and Tesla to fight over me
I talked with a Tesla recruiting person at school once but they were only interested in MEs (I'm CE.) Apple I've interviewed with a few times but never got an offer.
I'll probably try each again this summer.
http://www.forbes.com/powerful-brands/list/
He's wrong about basically his whole argument, except the brand value. Spoiler: Tesla's not even on the list.
Your quote makes Comp Sci majors look bad.
As a computer science major you should no better than representing anecdotes as any sort of proof. Anecdotes are not proof of anything. Worse, you use the infamous 99% ratio - with no data. Since when does made up percentages constitute proof of anything other than hyperbole?Your car example is flawed as well. Even if Tesla was recognized last by 99% (there it is again) of the people, that doesn't mean they don't have brand awareness. It simply means the brand awareness of the other cars was higher. Logical fallacies abound in your quote.
Neither you nor nando87 seem to realize, despite being presented data that shows otherwise, Tesla has high brand awareness, and not just in the US. The first Model S was sold in 2012 in the US. They are now sold in 20 countries around the world. Funny enough, they sell more than Ferrari.
Come on bro, represent Comp Sci better than that.
Wow, I didn't expect to come to the comments and see a bunch of paid shills knocking Tesla. Just about everyone I know would love to have a Tesla. Sure they're expensive and somewhat limited in range right now, but hardly anyone doubts they are the future. Their cars are a work of art and the software integration with apps and such is top notch from what I've seen. Elon Musk is known around the world and has wide exposure, especially considering he owns Space X. Any time he talks about something the media show up and cover it. Like his idea for a tube train system among others. Visionary guy who is really smart. He's like a mix between Jobs and a toned down Tony Stark.
As for their cars, they've had some setbacks but considering how bleeding edge their car technology is, it's not surprising. They're pushing back against all kinds of limitations. Such as ridiculous torque, battery life, making everything very efficient, lack of infrastructure for charging, and fast charging times. I applaud them for paving the way for a better future. I hope to own a Tesla someday. The model X looks amazing.
Also it's kind of hard to be unknown and have your car copied in a game as big as GTA V. The Coil Voltic is one of my favorite cars in the game with such an extreme acceleration curve.
As for their cars, they've had some setbacks but considering how bleeding edge their car technology is, it's not surprising. They're pushing back against all kinds of limitations. Such as ridiculous torque, battery life, making everything very efficient, lack of infrastructure for charging, and fast charging times. I applaud them for paving the way for a better future. I hope to own a Tesla someday. The model X looks amazing.
Also it's kind of hard to be unknown and have your car copied in a game as big as GTA V. The Coil Voltic is one of my favorite cars in the game with such an extreme acceleration curve.
If they are actually shipping a "good car", then they are not vaporware. Doesn't matter if there are production delays in their second generation.
I do agree with your assessment of the brand. Brands add value which people are willing to pay for. The Apple brand adds billions to Apple revenues every year. Tesla brand adds little to nothing.
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So, you claim people who disagree with you are "paid shills"? That's asinine on the face of it. Actually, "paid shills" typically promote brands, which you just did in your post. While I don't actually think you have been paid for your post, your post is actually a fine sample of what "paid shills" deliver in reality.
As all companies, Apple is going through a lifecycle. In different parts of the lifecycle different types of leaders are needed. Jobs was a typical startup type, who actually endured longer than other of the same profile in a company in the same lifecycle stage as when he passed away.
Cook is actually very well suited for the type of company and stage of lifecycle that Apple is in now. Reading a bit more about market, business and product lifecycles would make that clear, but not many people realize this.