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Many car companies provide loaners, as well as pickup and drop-off service, so this hardly unique. What's more, if I paid $100k for a car and the company did not provide these services, it would a major "you have to be kidding!" moment.
Local independent Merc/BMW dealer provides pickup/dropoff, and that's even on the <$50k models. Of course, they don't do it anywhere like Tesla. But most don't need "anywhere".
 
Local independent Merc/BMW dealer provides pickup/dropoff, and that's even on the <$50k models. Of course, they don't do it anywhere like Tesla. But most don't need "anywhere".

Our local BMW dealer is inconsistent on providing loaners but they will generally take you back home. Returning to pick up the car is another matter. They usually expect you to get there yourself.
 
If they can afford one, I'm pretty sure they will. Tesla is sprinting towards reducing costs. You see numerous "When the Model III is released, I'm buying a Tesla" posts around automotive forums. They have the momentum. If they hit their price point (which Musk reconfirmed this month) and show the prototype within the year, I'd say they have a pretty good chance of making it work.

So far, the product delivered has always been as promised. Their problem, so far, has been estimating schedule. If there's a risk, its that they're late to market. Based on their job postings out here, it would appear they're doing everything they can to prevent that.

SUV market is huge in US but Model 3 affordability may be even more important for Tesla mass acceptance. They may go further into short-term debt if they start another car factory but they should do it in anticipation for Model 3. Skip Model X go straight into Model 3. Hahhaha, ok, that is a bad idea.

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A joke? I'm sure Tesla won't be laughing if Chevrolet comes through with a 200+ mile range EV for under $40k in 2017, or if Nissan delivers the same with the next generation Leaf. Tesla will be facing direct competition on range, will likely be undercut on price, and will lose the first-mover advantage they had with with previous two models. Most importantly, they cannot afford to not succeed, while their competitors can. Tesla was supposed to be showing the industry how a nimble, high-tech car company can beat the hidebound auto companies at their own game. Not necessarily, so it seems.

Tesla is releasing a new version of their Roadster with 400 mile range. They could easily upgrade the current Model S to have that range advantage over its competitors. I bet there is a whole lot of people who prefer to use up that trunk space for extra battery rather than a 2nd motor (P85D) that produces an excessive 700hp engine. They may even improve the battery efficiency in a few years time. In the near future, a 400-500 mile range coming from Model S is not impossible. Li Ion technology is evolving fast.

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/12/26/tesla-roadster-3-0-package-prototype-announced-with-400-mile-pos/
 
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Tesla is releasing a new version of their Roadster with 400 mile range. They could easily upgrade the current Model S to have that range advantage over its competitors. I bet there is a whole lot of people who prefer to use up that trunk space for extra battery rather than a 2nd motor (P85D) that produces an excessive 700hp engine. They may even improve the battery efficiency in a few years time. In the near future, a 400-500 mile range coming from Model S is not impossible. Li Ion technology is evolving fast.

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/12/26/tesla-roadster-3-0-package-prototype-announced-with-400-mile-pos/

Reading what was actually written, it may offer a 400 mile range "under certain conditions." Whatever that means. And also reading what was actually written, "this automotive augmentation does not also apply to the Model S." In any case, price and delivery date both not disclosed.

Almost nothing is "not impossible." I'm more interested in the likely.
 
A joke? I'm sure Tesla won't be laughing if Chevrolet comes through with a 200+ mile range EV for under $40k in 2017, or if Nissan delivers the same with the next generation Leaf. Tesla will be facing direct competition on range, will likely be undercut on price, and will lose the first-mover advantage they had with with previous two models. Most importantly, they cannot afford to not succeed, while their competitors can. Tesla was supposed to be showing the industry how a nimble, high-tech car company can beat the hidebound auto companies at their own game. Not necessarily, so it seems.


Tesla is targeting the Premium/Luxury buyer, and their products are priced accordingly. I don't think they compete with mainstream brands like Chevy and Nissan.

Range is only one specification. How fast the batteries can recharge is another matter entirely. Tesla has its own Supercharger network in North America, Europe, and Asia. Teslas with Supercharger capability (Model S) can get 150 miles of charge in 20 mins, which makes long-distance travel possible in an electric car. Nissan and Chevy don't have this level of fast charging yet, and as far as I know won't have such a network in place by 2016. Without fast charging, I don't see the LEAF or Bolt being much more than local runabout cars.

There's also the issue of performance and styling. A LEAF has nowhere near the acceleration or handling performance of a Tesla. You can't get AWD in a LEAF. I'm not aware that the Bolt will have an AWD option either. Saying that Tesla is in trouble because of LEAF and Bolt is like saying BMW is in trouble because of Hyundai Elantra. The products have different features and vastly different customer bases.
 
Reading what was actually written, it may offer a 400 mile range "under certain conditions." Whatever that means. And also reading what was actually written, "this automotive augmentation does not also apply to the Model S." In any case, price and delivery date both not disclosed.

Almost nothing is "not impossible." I'm more interested in the likely.

It also does not mean that the augmentation is not possible on Model S.
What Elon Musk has achieved so far, almost anything is possible.
Battery technology will improve. Maybe even new types which Tesla
could adopt without modifying the chassis, the drive train, the controllers,
and the touchscreen module.

When Model S with 300 mile range was announced, I remembered
I said:"At last...." after a long line of depressing "why bother" EV models which only move for 50miles per charge. The future of EV will only get better.
 
Didn't they already choose Arizona to build in?
I've had an interest in Tesla since the beginning but haven't kept up recently having been in the UK on business. Did a quick search and found they've chosen Nevada. I'm happy now since I only disliked the politics of letting them build a dirty battery factory in our state.

The car is very well done and car enthusiasts are very familiar with it. My Dentist has one, a fellow car enthusiast he drives it daily. I had planned on buying one instead of my new AMG MBZ, but as much as I tried to like it the aural experience was so odd, so eerily quiet I was actually uncomfortable.

The single speed shiftless transmission while extremely smooth only made things worse, I'm a hard core ex-racer / car guy that loves to shift, hear the engine, get feedback from the steering and_Drive_ the car! Frankly I was shocked that the test drive experience impacted me the way it did. Very open minded and knowing all about the car before my test drive I didn't learn anything new that I didn't already know, but I was completely unprepared for the actual experience.

So I'll let others enjoy these fine cars and I'll keep buying AMG's and M series BMW's while they're still available. Their dual clutch DSG style gearboxes provide a wonderful way to actively participate in the driving. :)
 
I asked 50 people in my society. My father is a car enthu but, not an Internet geek. I asked him too. I asked most of my "non-auto geek" friends. Guess what? Not 1 person knew tesla.

Out of the auto geek friends only a handful knew.

Remember the world doesn't begin and end with your locality.

It probably tells more about the people you know. You should ask if they heard of Maybach, Pagani, Koenigsegg. Just because they know Hyundai and never heard of Maybach, it doesn't mean that Hyundai is a better brand.
 
Tesla is targeting the Premium/Luxury buyer, and their products are priced accordingly. I don't think they compete with mainstream brands like Chevy and Nissan.

Range is only one specification. How fast the batteries can recharge is another matter entirely. Tesla has its own Supercharger network in North America, Europe, and Asia. Teslas with Supercharger capability (Model S) can get 150 miles of charge in 20 mins, which makes long-distance travel possible in an electric car. Nissan and Chevy don't have this level of fast charging yet, and as far as I know won't have such a network in place by 2016. Without fast charging, I don't see the LEAF or Bolt being much more than local runabout cars.

There's also the issue of performance and styling. A LEAF has nowhere near the acceleration or handling performance of a Tesla. You can't get AWD in a LEAF. I'm not aware that the Bolt will have an AWD option either. Saying that Tesla is in trouble because of LEAF and Bolt is like saying BMW is in trouble because of Hyundai Elantra. The products have different features and vastly different customer bases.

Tesla is touting a future car to be priced in the same range as the Leaf and Bolt. Other than that, no evidence that they are interested in that segment of the market. None whatsoever.

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It also does not mean that the augmentation is not possible on Model S.
What Elon Musk has achieved so far, almost anything is possible.
Battery technology will improve. Maybe even new types which Tesla
could adopt without modifying the chassis, the drive train, the controllers,
and the touchscreen module.

When Model S with 300 mile range was announced, I remembered
I said:"At last...." after a long line of depressing "why bother" EV models which only move for 50miles per charge. The future of EV will only get better.

As I said, I'm more interested in the likely than the possible. The Elon Musk aura never did do much for me.
 
BIG DIFFERENCE between Tesla and Apple...

Apple was founded by 2 guys in a garage with their own money.

Tesla was funded by a billionaire who sold the hated Paypal to Ebay!

And to add insult to injury, is supported by the US Federal Government to the tune of over $7000 per car, not including the sale of California Green Energy tax credits to the other car manufacturers, both in the US and abroad, so yes, you're paying for this car in Europe even without knowing it or owning it! HAHA!

This company is a taxpayer boondoggle & scam. They may be the darling of the President, but he's not paying for it whether he has one or not and it still won't drive far enough, 350 miles, to visit my mother at some imaginary 240 volt line next to the cow pasture. "The Future Conan?" (Andy Richter)
 
Very true, but it works both ways. Maybe some localities are particularly informed, maybe some localities are particularly ignorant.

Precisely my point. And there are certain companies like Apple who know no local boundaries most of the time.
 
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Gilead Sciences has a market cap of 150 billions and I'm sure (well, now I'm not sure about anything anymore) that quite nobody here knows what they do, and like that company, hundreds. The same that to you, who are probably a geek, no offense, Elon Musk is a famous person but you don't know who Emilio Botin was and he was far more important (financial and stock market wise). What you need to remember is that not everybody is a geek internet-blog-forum reader or aficionado, or, what it's the same, that something being very important or interesting to you doesn't make it mainstream or well known.

YEs but we are not talking about that particular company are we? We are talking about the fact that Tesla is not an unknown firm...even to non geeks. My mother is a non geek. she can just about use a basic mobile phone without a touchscreen. I am talking basic sort of phone from the late 90's. She is about as far removed from being a nerd or tech guru as it gets. Yet she knows about Tesla and Elon Musk. It does not matter how many units they shift or do not shift and it is not about how valuable they are as a company.
It is about the fact that they are well known and are known for being innovative. They at least try. Elon musk is in some ways comparable to Steve Jobs and that is a comparison that whether people agree or not is hard to shake once made. so because people know about Apple they will rightly or wrongly draw the comparison to Tesla.
You are wrong I am afraid and will not be told, well I am telling you. I agree with you that Tesla are not the most successful company in the world and they are selling massive amounts of cars and do to sell as much as say Mercedes Benz but does that man they are less well known or that they are an unknown? Because one small part of being a successful firm is not about how much market cap you have or how many units you sell it is about your brand and being known by people.
Facebook for instance was not profitable as much as it should have been some years ago. Nor was it as popular as some earlier social media platforms. people like you would have made the same argument back then with Facebook as you are now with Tesla..yet can you say that Facebook is an unknown and is vapourware?
I doubt it unless you wish to look even more of a stubborn so and so who is simply only sticking to the point because you wish not to admit you are wrong.
if you really are a professional and do this for a living then you will admit that one part of doing any job for a living is the willingness to admit when you are wrong.

Tesla is known, FACT!
Elon Musk is known, FACT!
Tesla can not be that small and unknown or useless a brand otherwise why was Apple in talks with it? (No matter what the reason for the talks or the collapse of them), FACT
One day Tesla will become more mainstream as more electric cars are made and sold round the world and they become cheaper to make and sell an the infrastructure is there.
If however tesla can survive till then financially and with the same drive and determination they have now.
only time will tell. One thing is for certain though they will not be forgotten no matter what happens.
 
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I agree

Unknown outside US? I must be living in a weird place then, because Tesla is among the most sold vehicles here in Norway. I see tens of them each day and well, I have one myself.

Tesla get huge media exposure here and "everyone" knows about the brand and the Model S.

I agree with you mate. The more cars that Tesla sells to Europe then the more the infrastructure will develop and the more the brand will grow.
No offence but we all know that despite firms such as Apple's attempts to be green America still is not that green or environmentally friendly. So it is no surprise that Tesla is not as big in the USA as it should be.
The success for Tesla lies in Europe first and I bet that Musk knows this.
If the range is as good as claimed and the battery packs can be made to last for at least 10-15 years before wearing out and if the chargers are in place more widely in the UK then i would buy one for sure
 
I asked 50 people in my society. My father is a car enthu but, not an Internet geek. I asked him too. I asked most of my "non-auto geek" friends. Guess what? Not 1 person knew tesla.

Out of the auto geek friends only a handful knew.

Remember the world doesn't begin and end with your locality.

And neither does yours. The point is pretty irrelevant. The OP was on a "mission" to prove that the Tesla is not a recognized brand. And specific to say that outside of the US, no one knew about it.

That's just wrong on many fronts.
 
Tesla is touting a future car to be priced in the same range as the Leaf and Bolt. Other than that, no evidence that they are interested in that segment of the market. None whatsoever.

The point of their gigafactory is to leverage supply chain to drive down battery prices so Tesla can enter the midrange space.

IMO the best thing about Tesla is disruptive potential. Not just in the auto space but when the distributed solar battery market matures, they'll be the front runner because of their Solar City tie-in. It's actually a pretty brilliant strategy - make money off both the EV and the charging system required to keep the EV running. Nice vertical integration.
 
The point of their gigafactory is to leverage supply chain to drive down battery prices so Tesla can enter the midrange space.

IMO the best thing about Tesla is disruptive potential. Not just in the auto space but when the distributed solar battery market matures, they'll be the front runner because of their Solar City tie-in. It's actually a pretty brilliant strategy - make money off both the EV and the charging system required to keep the EV running. Nice vertical integration.

If it works, sure. And assuming they can figure out how to make money at some point, and pretty soon I should think. Not posting loss after loss would provide some evidence that some kind of market disruption is actually going on here.
 
BIG DIFFERENCE between Tesla and Apple...

Apple was founded by 2 guys in a garage with their own money.

Tesla was funded by a billionaire who sold the hated Paypal to Ebay!

And to add insult to injury, is supported by the US Federal Government to the tune of over $7000 per car, not including the sale of California Green Energy tax credits to the other car manufacturers, both in the US and abroad, so yes, you're paying for this car in Europe even without knowing it or owning it! HAHA!

This company is a taxpayer boondoggle & scam. They may be the darling of the President, but he's not paying for it whether he has one or not and it still won't drive far enough, 350 miles, to visit my mother at some imaginary 240 volt line next to the cow pasture. "The Future Conan?" (Andy Richter)

This comment is so stupid that I had to create an account to respond to this. This comment looks straight out of Rush Limbaugh talking point memo. First, every industry and every product is subsidized through some tax credits somewhere. Apple has tons of tax credits and deals negotiated with Ireland to route their IPs and profits. The entire ICE car industry is subsidized by US military. Real industry is subsidized my mortgage tax credits. Almost every company opening a new office in a new state negotiates favorable tax credits and exemptions.

Second, it must be quite a scam to have a $30bn market cap, leading luxury market sales, and getting highest ratings from many major auto publications. Lot of people seems to be in on this scam.

Third, it drives 300 miles on a single charge. The supercharger network is growing very fast.

You sound like a scam

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I asked 50 people in my society. My father is a car enthu but, not an Internet geek. I asked him too. I asked most of my "non-auto geek" friends. Guess what? Not 1 person knew tesla.

Out of the auto geek friends only a handful knew.

Remember the world doesn't begin and end with your locality.

They are not much of an auto geek if they don't know about the highest rated car in the planet
 
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