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Geekbench processor scores for lulz:
A5 - 747
1.4 GHz Core 2 Duo (Penryn) - 2255
1.4 GHz Core i5 (Sandy Bridge)- 4519

Not so "lulz" when you check past data.

This rumored A5 MacBook Air would be a bit faster than the 12" PowerBook 1.5GHz G4 that I'm still using today as a portable "light work" machine (email, web coding, etc). A model that was discontinued only about five years ago, which was top-of-the-line back then.

I'm pretty sure the A5 in this test machine is only a stop-gap before the A6 is ready. Apple could even surprise us with dual-core A6 for the iPhone, iPod touch, iPad and a quad-core A6 for the new MacBook Air.

Edit: all those nay-sayers who think Apple won't switch again, ARM is less powerful (even though 99% of users never use 100% of their CPUs)... don't forget that even Microsoft is currently looking into ARM CPUs for Windows 8.
 
I hope that anything Apple makes in a laptop form factor doesn't come in the 16:9 flavor.

Just look at the thing on page one. Derpy.
 
...don't forget that even Microsoft is currently looking into ARM CPUs for Windows 8.

NT has always been explicitly, simultaneously multi-architecture. The tools (Visual Studio, etc) are also simultaneously multi-architecture.

With multi-touch at the core of Windows 7 - it would be obvious to base a Microsoft tablet on Windows 7+1. It would also be obvious that ARM has significant advantages in power consumption (coupled with significant disadvantages in performance).

Microsoft is not looking at ARM as a replacement for x64, but as a complement for the tablet/netbook space.
 
I would beg to differ, and we will see how much more the Apple brand will soar once Intel Mac meets its demise. Mac has been dying in the Pro space, and it mostly has to do with Intel(some of it also has to do Apple focusing on the iPhone and domination in that sector), but once this dark time passes over and we leave Intel(garbagetel really), then the Mac brand will rise back up to Pro prominence it once had before the Intel. Think about it, a CPU that can be designed and made how Apple really wants it, not a company who all they care about is taking your dole as you are tied up in room that smells rancid. Think about a quad core Air that is fanless(or at the very least uses a small fan), 10-12 hours of battery life, thinner than it currently is by a good margin and is extra fun to use like an iPad, but it runs a OSX Lion. Yeah it could be that good our Mac laptops.

Mac is dying in the Pro space because of Apple, not Intel. It's all their own doing. Who else is making a 6 core CPU for a $1000 that can be used in the Mac Pro? How do the dual video cards work out in the Mac Pro? How about quad SLI?
 
Apple people owe a debt of gratitude to Intel.

During the PowerBook days Steve bashed Intel over & over.

Then after he had one of his typical dust ups with Motorola he was desperate.

So let's not conveniently overlook the fact that Steve sucked up to Intel and got them to make chips for Apple, thereby saving them. The Hypocrisy of Apple is legendary.

One minute the lemmings are bashing Intel, the next its running their Macs. It doesn't get any more hypocritical than that.
 
Apple people owe a debt of gratitude to Intel.

During the PowerBook days Steve bashed Intel over & over.

Then after he had one of his typical dust ups with Motorola he was desperate.

So let's not conveniently overlook the fact that Steve sucked up to Intel and got them to make chips for Apple, thereby saving them. The Hypocrisy of Apple is legendary.

One minute the lemmings are bashing Intel, the next its running their Macs. It doesn't get any more hypocritical than that.

Watch the negative post ratings pile up. You criticized Uncle Steve.
 
Does it have the bandwidth for the interconnect?

Ummm... Not sure.
Google found the Texus instruments am3894 which is an A8 single core ARM CPU with PCIe2.0 x2 So it looks like it could handle half a thunderbolt. Which leaves two questions could a dual core A9 handle a full thunderbolt?
And Does thunderbolt require all x4 of it's PCIe interface to be wired or is happy for an end device to only use 1 or 2 as long as the all 4 get wired between the two Thunderbolt ports?
 
I hope that anything Apple makes in a laptop form factor doesn't come in the 16:9 flavor.

Just look at the thing on page one. Derpy.

The 11" Air is already 16x9. Wouldn't be surprised if they transition everything there is the near future. I like 16x10 better, but I am very surprised apple didn't move to 16x9 when they redesigned the 13" Air.
 
Apple creates most of the problems. For instance, the main reason Universal Binaries and support for PPC software in general is disappearing is because Apple removed all support for it from XCode (and now QT). They purposely make it extremely difficult for developers to keep support for older machines and versions of the operating system. They certainly don't need to do that. They're as big a company as Microsoft these days and flush with cash. They can afford to keep things running smoothly for everyone, but they're greedy so they try to force users to upgrade hardware even if their hardware is working perfectly fine for them.

People can shout "Your old Mac or iPhone still works!" all day long, but it doesn't change the fact that if you don't have a modern up-to-date browser and security updates to keep your system safe, your computer's days are pretty much numbered as many sites will no longer work and your machine starts becoming a security risk as new found vulnerabilities aren't patched leaving your machine open to hacking or other exploits.

If iTunes drops all PPC support, it means you can't run newer iOS devices off your library anymore, etc. These things have NOTHING to do with the computer being too slow (let's face it, most every-day tasks just don't need a Quad-i7 and a Quad 2.5GHz G5 is still a pretty fast machine, especially since gaming isn't much of an issue on Macs due to a lack of support from both Apple and gaming developers alike). So in this regard, you're better off with Windows as it gets supported forever by comparison (an XP machine from 2000 can still run almost everything out there including the latest iTunes, Safari, Quicktime (laughable since Apple supports Windows better than Macs at this point in that regard), Flash, etc. that will no longer work (or will not soon) in PPC.

Does anyone really want to see all this repeated again with ARM processors and watch Intel binaries start disappearing just like PPC ones? If Apple goes to ARM, I'm done with Macs period. It's bad enough I have to keep a Windows PC (or partition) around to run games, but if they're going to go back to the days of no software in general + slower hardware, there will be no point in running OSX anymore. Windows7 doesn't suck like Vista did and everything moves full steam ahead there from graphics drivers and support for gaming (DirectX updates, etc.) to the latest hardware assuredly becoming available sooner or later (i.e. TB will be supported but also USB3, SLI, Blu-Ray, etc. as well). With Apple, you get what they feel like supporting and a middle finger when they don't feel like it). People make fun of Bill Gates' bit about 640k ought to be enough for anybody, but Steve Jobs entire mantra anymore is whatever he feels like putting out ought to be good enough for anybody, whether that means no Blu-Ray or no gaming, it's just pathetic anymore for 2011 when Apple has so much money. There should be no excuses why OSX is inferior in any way to Windows at this point.

So much for the 'Best OS on the planet' BS. Notice how the Mac Vs. PC commercials stopped because they know PC would be smacking the Mac guy upside his head at this point as Windows7 (with 8 in the works) is pulling ahead and the Mac guy is stuck living in the past, too busy playing with his smart phone to notice that the PC guy has kept moving full steam ahead into the future for full scale desktops and notebooks, not just smart phones.

I think it sucks. I got my first Mac in early 2006 (used PowerMac at a computer show, since upgraded and running my whole house audio/video server and I bought a new MBP in late 2008. I was THRILLED to be away from Windows after putting up with the blue screen of death in Win98, endless malware in XP and couldn't stand the thought of going to Vista which I new was completely buggered. The Mac seemed so much better. But like the stories of Intel's impending demise when AMD briefly overtook them for the best CPUs, it's not going to last because Apple doesn't care about that market anymore. Steve is so sure that future computing is mobile phone-based, that they are letting OSX wallow and fall behind. THAT is not the direction that I am interested in and since Steve won't let someone else run the computer division, it's looking like Windows will be in my future once again. I'll probably build a Hackintosh next, but I have this feeling that I will end up booting Windows more and more often as time goes on and OSX stagnates.

Lion shows no interesting new features what-so-ever IMO. It's just "smart phone junk" brought back to OSX. Things like the App store are clearly money grabs more than anything else and that's about as interesting to me as PCs shipped with advertising junk installed by default.

Snow Leopard was supposed to be optimized Leopard (seeing as Leopeard was the first version of OSX to be SLOWER than the previous version), but it wasn't optimized at all. It's a bit slower than Leopard, not faster. It had a few new technologies that sounded interesting, but don't deliver squat for the average user, IMO (OpenCL support in programs is non-existent and Grand Central does nothing at all for mere dual-core computers as witnessed by the fact that Leopard runs faster in every test on my 2008 MBP).

Resolution independent displays (a really advanced OS feature) were announced as a possibility for Tiger. We're now heading for 3 OS major revisions further along and it still isn't finished because Apple lost interest in modern OS features. They're too busy playing with smart phone features. OpenGL 4.x has advanced right up to the latest DirectX features and more on the pro-side. Apple is just now getting ready to move to a full OpenGL 3 standard (sorry, but being 4 years late is pointless in the computer industry).

Try running any game made for OSX and Windows on the same Macintosh running Boot Camp and the Windows version will SPANK the Mac version every single time without exception even on full conversions that are not Cider based. This is due to old/bad graphic drivers and ancient OpenGL. Many gaming companies have begged Apple over the years for better support in OSX for gaming and Apple has done little more than give them lip service (rarely even that much). For a company with over $70 BILLION in cash reserves, that is just pathetic. Apple sees how gaming is big for the iPhone, but they don't stop to think it might be useful on the Mac too? After all these years? :rolleyes:

Sorry, but this is one Mac user that's becoming very disillusioned with Apple. I was never a fanboy, but I really liked the operating system better than Windows. But Apple can't expect to let OSX rot and users to stick around forever while they're busy playing with their phones.... :(
 
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Apple creates most of the problems. For instance, the main reason Universal Binaries and support for PPC software in general is disappearing is because Apple removed all support for it from XCode (and now QT). They purposely make it extremely difficult for developers to keep support for older machines and versions of the operating system. They certainly don't need to do that. They're as big a company as Microsoft these days and flush with cash. They can afford to keep things running smoothly for everyone, but they're greedy so they try to force users to upgrade hardware even if their hardware is working perfectly fine for them.

People can shout "Your old Mac or iPhone still works!" all day long, but it doesn't change the fact that if you don't have a modern up-to-date browser and security updates to keep your system safe, your computer's days are pretty much numbered as many sites will no longer work and your machine starts becoming a security risk as new found vulnerabilities aren't patched leaving your machine open to hacking or other exploits.

If iTunes drops all PPC support, it means you can't run newer iOS devices off your library anymore, etc. None of these things have NOTHING to do with the computer being too slow (let's face it, most every-day tasks just don't need a Quad-i7 and a Quad 2.5GHz G5 is still a pretty fast machine, especially since gaming isn't much of an issue on Macs due to a lack of support from both Apple and gaming developers alike). So in this regard, you're better off with Windows as it gets supported forever by comparison (an XP machine from 2000 can still run almost everything out there including the latest iTunes, Safari, Quicktime (laughable since Apple supports Windows better than Macs at this point in that regard), Flash, etc. that will no longer work (or will not soon) in PPC.

Does anyone really want to see all this repeated again with ARM processors and watch Intel binaries start disappearing just like PPC ones? If Apple goes to ARM, I'm done with Macs period. It's bad enough I have to keep a Windows PC (or partition) around to run games, but if they're going to go back to the days of no software in general + slower hardware, there'll no point in running OSX anymore. Windows7 doesn't suck like Vista did and everything moves full steam ahead there from graphics drivers and support for gaming (DirectX updates, etc.) to the latest hardware assuredly becoming available sooner or later (i.e. TB will be supported but also USB3, SLI, Blu-Ray, etc. as well). With Apple, you get what they feel like supporting and a middle finger when they don't feel like it). People make fun of Bill Gates' bit about 640k ought to be enough for anybody, but Steve Jobs entire mantra anymore is whatever he feels like putting out ought to be good enough for anybody, whether that means no Blu-Ray or no gaming, it's just pathetic anymore for 2011 when Apple has so much money. There should be no excuses why OSX is inferior in any way to Windows at this point.

So much for the 'Best OS on the planet' BS. Notice how the Mac Vs. PC commercials stopped because they know PC would be smacking the Mac guy upside his head at this point as Windows7 (with 8 in the works) is pulling ahead and the Mac guy is stuck living in the past, too busy playing with his smart phone to notice that the PC guy has kept moving full steam ahead into the future for full scale desktops and notebooks, not just smart phones.

I think it sucks. I got my first Mac in early 2006 (used PowerMac at a computer show, since upgraded and running my whole house audio/video server and I bought a new MBP in late 2008. I was THRILLED to be away from Windows after putting up with the blue screen of death in Win98, endless malware in XP and couldn't stand the thought of going to Vista which I new was completely buggered. The Mac seemed so much better. But like the stories of Intel's impending demise when AMD briefly overtook them for the best CPUs, it's not going to last because Apple doesn't care about that market anymore. Steve is so sure that future computing is mobile phone-based, that they are letting OSX wallow and fall behind. THAT is not the direction that I am interested in and since Steve won't let someone else run the computer division, it's looking like Windows will be in my future once again. I'll probably build a Hackintosh next, but I have this feeling that I will end up booting Windows more and more often as time goes on and OSX stagnates.

Lion shows no interesting new features what-so-ever IMO. It's just "smart phone junk" brought back to OSX. Things like the App store are clearly money grabs more than anything else and that's about as interesting to me as PCs shipped with advertising junk installed by default.

Snow Leopard was supposed to be optimized Leopard (seeing as Leopeard was the first version of OSX to be SLOWER than the previous version), but it wasn't optimized at all. It's a bit slower than Leopard, not faster. It had a few new technologies that sounded interesting, but don't deliver squat for the average user, IMO (OpenCL support in programs is non-existent and Grand Central does nothing at all for mere dual-core computers as witnessed by the fact that Leopard runs faster in every test on my 2008 MBP).

Resolution independent displays (a really advanced OS feature) were announced as a possibility for Tiger. We're now heading for 3 OS major revisions further along and it still isn't finished because Apple lost interest in modern OS features. They're too busy playing with smart phone features. OpenGL 4.x has advanced right up to the latest DirectX features and more on the pro-side. Apple is just now getting ready to move to a full OpenGL 3 standard (sorry, but being 4 years late is pointless in the computer industry).

Try running any game made for OSX and Windows on the same Macintosh running Boot Camp and the Windows version will SPANK the Mac version every single time without exception even on full conversions that are not Cider based. This is due to old/bad graphic drivers and ancient OpenGL. Many gaming companies have begged Apple over the years for better support in OSX for gaming and Apple has done little more than give them lip service (rarely even that much). For a company with over $70 BILLION in cash reserves, that is just pathetic. Apple sees how gaming is big for the iPhone, but they don't stop to think it might be useful on the Mac too? After all these years? :rolleyes:

Sorry, but this is one Mac user that's becoming very disillusioned with Apple. I was never a fanboy, but I really liked the operating system better than Windows. But Apple can't expect to let OSX rot and users to stick around forever while they're busy playing with their phones.... :(

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Specs on paper are irrelevant for software. Always have been, always will. At the end of the day people want usability in a way that Apple's competitors have failed to deliver.
 
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MagnusVonMagnum, I have to agree. Nicely written post!

I am also very dissapointed with Apple and the way, they are going.

I hoped, they would update the Mac mini, but no, there is now a chance, they will make it ARM based. Since that means, you need to upgrade all you software (again), I refuse to do that.
 
The 11" Air is already 16x9. Wouldn't be surprised if they transition everything there is the near future. I like 16x10 better, but I am very surprised apple didn't move to 16x9 when they redesigned the 13" Air.

Oh wow I didn't catch that, thanks.
 
Advantages to an ARM-based Apple notebook:

  • Long battery life
  • Using it on your lap wouldn't melt your genitalia off like the current ones do

Disadvantages to an ARM-based Apple notebook:

  • No software
  • No software
  • No software
  • No software
  • No software
  • No software
  • No software
  • No software
  • No software
  • No software
  • No software
  • No software
  • No software

I don't see what the point of an ARM-based laptop running a desktop OS would be. Why not just buy an iPad with the Bluetooth keyboard?
 
Disadvantages to an ARM-based Apple notebook:

  • No software

Just like there was no software for the ARM-based iPhone 3G and iPad 1 a few weeks after they first shipped?

As a developer, it took me less than 2 days to port my apps from PowerPC to Intel using Xcode (I had to add a few endian macros not needed in an Intel to ARM port). I expect about the same if they release an Lion on ARM SDK.
 
cha-ching$$ ?

Just like there was no software for the ARM-based iPhone 3G and iPad 1 a few weeks after they first shipped?

As a developer, it took me less than 2 days to port my apps from PowerPC to Intel using Xcode (I had to add a few endian macros not needed in an Intel to ARM port). I expect about the same if they release an Lion on ARM SDK.

As a developer, did you give everyone a free upgrade to the Intel version?
 
iPad + keyboard = MBA 11 with A5.5 ?

iOS 5 is going to add some Mac OS X Lion features. And the Apple trackpad already supports multitouch gestures.

So maybe this isn't a slow MacBook. Maybe this hypothetical test device is a fast iPad with a keyboard and multitouch pad in an MBA form factor.

Note that an MBA 11 already weighs less than an iPad 2 plus a decent size Bluetooth keyboard.

The power user market is small compared to the consumer market. Most consumers think an iPad 2 is plenty fast enough, even with a 10X disadvantage.
 
I don't see what the point of an ARM-based laptop running a desktop OS would be. Why not just buy an iPad with the Bluetooth keyboard?

No magic trackpad or mouse, no integrated keyboard for extra convenience, and the fact that even with the keyboard the Air is for the most part skinnier than the iPad, but then gets bogged down by the intel cpu and have to deal with a noisy fan at high usage.
 
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This got me thinking. Are they testing the A5 on a MacBook Air or testing the A5 with Lion. Lion has many iPad features and there is a increased reliance on multi-touch gestures. Could Lion work on the iPad? I would really like that!
 
NT has always been explicitly, simultaneously multi-architecture. The tools (Visual Studio, etc) are also simultaneously multi-architecture.

With multi-touch at the core of Windows 7 - it would be obvious to base a Microsoft tablet on Windows 7+1. It would also be obvious that ARM has significant advantages in power consumption (coupled with significant disadvantages in performance).

Microsoft is not looking at ARM as a replacement for x64, but as a complement for the tablet/netbook space.

Agree Basically Microsoft is probably looking to join the two code products - Windows and Windows Mobile with ARM Mobile stuff being a subset of the full Windows product.

I woud not doubt Apple is doing something similar with Mac OS X and iOS - with this in mind - MacBook AIR ( what i using now ) will stay Intel and not go ARM.
 
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This got me thinking. Are they testing the A5 on a MacBook Air or testing the A5 with Lion. Lion has many iPad features and there is a increased reliance on multi-touch gestures. Could Lion work on the iPad? I would really like that!

Exactly that is what I am hpping they are doing - merge both OS Product lines.. doesn't mean ARM is going on MBA, but MAC OS style OS on iOS devices. Not sure about software compatibility there.

I don't believe we will ever see an ARM MacBook AIR - but I hope to see an Intel iPad device running Mac OS X ( iMacPad ).
 
The processor is only as powerful as the software that was written for it.

Here we are up to six core cpu's on some systems, and yet very little software utilizes even a dual core yet.

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A5 Powerbooks next Tuesday! :apple:

I REALLY enjoyed the many PowerBooks I've had.

In fact I think it was a big mistake to kill off such a long running & well liked model name.

(yes, the correct spelling includes letters P & B in caps)

This is a good move on Apples part. To finally set aside the arrogance & build a low power, slower Netbook (although they'll deny it's a Netbook).

They will be able to sell at a lower price and still retain their margins. Since it's going to be an iOS walled garden, going forward, this makes sense.

I'm excited. A cheap, no worries if one dings it's aluminum... machine.

Works for me. A perfect "additional" laptop.
 
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