M1 is still a first-generation product, albeit one that was executed extremely well. It may be worth waiting for M2 for that reason alone.
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Apple Testing at Least Nine New Macs With Four Different M2 Chip Variants
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M1 is still a first-generation product, albeit one that was executed extremely well. It may be worth waiting for M2 for that reason alone.
Yep. Apple had around a 9 month upgrade cycle with PowerPC Macs. That all went to hell when Intel started missing deadlines.
I refuse to buy a new Mac until Apple guarantees they'll never update their products again.
(Now bring on the killer new mini at WWDC! )
(Now bring on the killer new mini at WWDC! )
While absolutely true, one also has to remember that M1 is based on A chips, which Apple has developed for a decade now so i’d say that for a first gen M chip, M1 is a very mature product on its own.
I wonder how long these M1 products will be supported in regards to OS updates. Seems to me that the average right now with Apples intel Mac’s is around 7ish years for all but the Mac Pros.
As good as the new M1 MacBooks are, they’re also much more expensive (I’m mostly looking at the MBP’s here). Not to mention the soldered components which really brings up the cost of even the Air. If I’m spending $2000+ on a laptop, I’d hope to get 10 years out of it. I may be in the minority, but I keep my electronics a long time and the fact that being behind in macOS updates means being locked out of programs (Windows doesn’t have this issue), i hope that Apple supports the M1 products longer than their Intel products. Apple would rather everyone just buy a new laptop, but a man can hope.
As good as the new M1 MacBooks are, they’re also much more expensive (I’m mostly looking at the MBP’s here). Not to mention the soldered components which really brings up the cost of even the Air. If I’m spending $2000+ on a laptop, I’d hope to get 10 years out of it. I may be in the minority, but I keep my electronics a long time and the fact that being behind in macOS updates means being locked out of programs (Windows doesn’t have this issue), i hope that Apple supports the M1 products longer than their Intel products. Apple would rather everyone just buy a new laptop, but a man can hope.
Apple doesn't update Macs like they do iPhones. Show me some examples where Macs have been updated yearly in recent years. This is the basis for a lot of people sold on the thought that there will be M2 SoC's before most other Macs designs even see M1 Pro's/M1 Max. You just saw the M1 Ultra in March. The M1Pro/Max was just half a year ago. We have multiple Macs that could use these more powerful M1 family SoC's yet we continue to discuss all the M2 possibilities? Just seems odd Apple would go that route IMHO.
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I'm with you no that. I believe a Mini will come out with an M1 Pro soon, if the supply chain gets moving. M2, likely not until the end of the year if not 2023.
And I maintain that M2 has a reasonable chance of debuting in the Mac Pro, but I'm probably the only one hanging my hat on that one.
My impression is that Apple is (and has been) developing new technology and corresponding new Mac models faster than todays supply chain can keep up.
Apple is internally testing several variants of the next-generation M2 chip and the updated Macs that will be equipped with them, reports Bloomberg, citing developer logs. There are "at least" nine new Macs in development that use four different M2 chips that are successors to the current M1 chips.
Apple is working on devices with standard M2 chips, the M2 Pro, the M2 Max, and a successor to the M1 Ultra, with the following machines in the works:
Apple has also tested an M1 Max version of the Mac mini, but the release of the Mac Studio may make such a machine redundant, so Apple could stick with M2 and M2 Pro chips when the Mac mini eventually sees a refresh.
- A MacBook Air with an M2 chip that features an 8-core CPU and 10-core GPU.
- A Mac mini with the M2 chip and a variant with the M2 Pro chip.
- An entry-level 13-inch MacBook Pro with M2 chip.
- A 14 and 16-inch MacBook Pro models with M2 Pro and M2 Max chips. The M2 Max chip features a 12-core GPU and 38-core GPU, along with 64GB Memory.
- A Mac Pro that will include a successor to the M1 Ultra used in the Mac Studio.
According to Bloomberg, the internal testing is a "key step" in the development process, and it suggests that the machines could be released in the coming months. We have heard multiple rumors about a new MacBook Air, an updated 13-inch MacBook Pro, a Mac Pro, and a new Mac mini, but this is the first we are hearing of a possible 14 and 16-inch MacBook Pro refresh this year.
Prior rumors have suggested that we can expect to see the MacBook Air, low-end MacBook Pro, and Mac mini come out in 2022, and Bloomberg has previously said that at least two Macs will launch mid-year, perhaps at WWDC.
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It is commonly understood that supply chain issues have limited new product availability (and not just Apple), but when I think about this my thought is that we will see a surge of new product over the next 1-2 years as the balance between product development and supply chain capability slowly returns to a normal equilibrium.
Which will probably include more diversification in suppliers to Apple so that they are not so heavily dependent upon certain suppliers or certain geographic areas (i.e. China) for their product.
Yeah, interesting. That's a good point. I kinda wonder whether the new Studio Monitor will become an M1 Pro iMac Pro (or something like that).
Above all I hope the entry-level M2 supports two external monitors. Just for office productivity, don't care about gaming frame rates and all that nonsense. Having the laptop come home and drive two screens at the home desk is the critical use case for a lot of us, without it justifying the huge price jump to 14" MBP.
They might lose a couple of bucks doing the non-update thingee.
i do admire your spunk!
I kinda thought the 13" MBP would be a thing of the past. It doesn't justify its existence currently. It's a MBA with 100nits more brightness and a thicker shell.
I think the M2 will be a ”S” incremental update. The real update will be M3.
How your computer will be worse because m2 exist?
I just bought the 14 pro, I don’t care if they release the 14 m2 pro tomorrow. Mine will still be as fast as yesterday and will gives me many many years of usage.
Wayne Ma had stated his information said the M2 was going to be 4 performance cores with 4 efficiency cores and then 9 (binned) or 10 GPU cores. He also said there would be an "M2 Duo" that was two M2s stitched together that would have 8 P cores + 8 E cores and 20 GPU cores.
In January, Dylandkt tweeted the existence of a "12 core M1 variant" with 10 P cores and 2 E cores and 16 or 32 GPU cores that I started a thread upon. Based on the claims of 12 cores for the M2 Pro and M2 Max, his information might have been pointing to that as Mark Gurman believes the M2 Pro will have 16 GPU cores and the M2 Max would have 32 GPU cores. Though if M2 has 10 GPU cores, one would think Pro would be 20, Max 40 and Ultra 80...
Majin Bu has claimed that Apple can use the UltraFusion interconnect to link two M1 Ultras together along their vertical axis (so they would be side-by-side).
As for RAM, there have been rumors Apple is developing a memory controller that can access DIMMs outside of the SoC package (though at much slower speeds) to allow for larger RAM capacities than the presumed 256GB of 2xM1 Ultra.
How about a new entry level Mac using old M1 binned chips for $299? 
But I’d rather see them release MacOS for all M1 iPad and M1 iPhone devices.
But I’d rather see them release MacOS for all M1 iPad and M1 iPhone devices.
Processor design takes several years and even once they have the first working dies it could still be a year before it is released. There are subsequent iterations as they iron out bugs, etc. So this tells us that there will be several processors/products in the next year, but not all at once. Also, assuming this is on the next TSMC process node there will most likely be supply issues if they tried to release everything at once.
Can anyone explain to me why the M2 will make a difference over the M1 to 95% of the Mac users? Hell, 99%. And while you are at it can you explain why YouTubers think they need to 'shoot' in 8k for a video of them unboxing something in their living room that most will watch on a small 11-16in iPad/Notebook screen? And why they believe they are "real;" cinematographers?