Apple, the iPod, the Mac and the Future

[thegreatunknown]

SOOOOOOO True. This is where Apple comes in... in the form of a Captain who guides the project. OS X is UNIX with an addition of a GUI that resides as a kernel extension. What does this mean??? To the average person it is both the best of ALL options. The Kernel or core is still Free BSD designed over 20 years from College Professors and students. It was designed for primarily Goverment Entities but kept FREE because it is OPEN SOURCE... go download FREE BSD for FREE from thier website. For those who want SUPPORT with that FREE OS they need a middle man, hence APPLE is the go-between by mixing in OPEN SOURCE FREE SOFTWARE and wrapping it in all the EYE-CANDy you winblows freaks can't appreciate. Imagine, all the POWER of UNIX and everything WORKS, out of the box, seamlessly, tested and debugged by Berkley Professors and APPLE alike.... hmmmm sounds like bliss to me.... wonder why all apple owners who were once LINUX or WINBLOWS users have finally figured out... hmmmm sound like a cult??? It is for a reason. When everyone becomes more educated on MAC OS X they will come over to the lighter side by starting to "THINK DIFFERENT"
Whilst the windows people are paying for patchworked swiss cheese software the mac is advancing through innovation by offering a stable platform for people who don't want to suffer at the mercy of the machine, they just want to create usefull things. You pay 100.00 to 129.00 bucks for support on the mac side, you get the OS for basically FREE at that price point. What's not to like about that? Does LINUX have that? NO! You buy a computer you get the ability to do just about anything you can imagine out of the box, free software from apple via the iLife suite, etc. What's not to like about that? Stability in a rock solid OS, Priceless. No Spyware, Pop-ups, adware? Priceless.
WInDOWS: Malicious code and software holes like swiss cheese giving someeeone else un-hindered use of YOUR computer and DSL? You got to be kidding me rigth??? What part of that last sentence sounds appealing? 300.00 for a build it yourself hole in the universe...pleaseeee...
Oh yeah, lets face it WINDOWS days are numbered, unless they can create a miracle in VISTA the demise of windows OS is immenint. There is simply tooo many viruses and malicious code, everyday there are stories of lost personal data due to hacks, viruses that take down even the most advanced WINDOWS deployments including GOVERMENT documents etc. You think the public will put up with that forever??? I think APPLE is in for a big next few years with astronomical defectors, no-one else has created a better option yet, and they have had over 10 years to do it.... pretty good place for apple to be in now. I can't wait for 10.5 to come out.Can everyone else say that about the next major release of an OS?? I think not, we are already starting to see a trend of windows delay's bieng downplayed more and more... the people are just NOT excited about it. It's almost over for them, I can honestly feel it in the air.
Or it could just be me....

very interesting ramble I must say. remember the large reason why "security holes like swiss cheese" haven't been found isn't all due to the fact the OS is a strong brick wall but mainly b/c it only holds an 8 or 9% share of the computer world... therefore most people aren't interested in finding holes. I don't think Apple will take over the world but a larger chunk in percentage is definitely their goal. The problem is the ease of buying a cheap dell, hp, etc. Letting dell and others sell mac software with their hardware will increase Apple's share, I only hope Apple makes damn sure the software works flawless with the hardware and that dell, et al. doesn't add third party bullcrap software that jumps up at you everytime you turn the computer on etc. etc. I guess we'll see. the possibilities are very interesting thats for sure. I'm not actually sure what side I'm on for this though.

 

[Tupring]

Won't Max OS X popularity invite more potential hackers and possible viruses?

Yes!! I say keep the Windoze users away. Far, far, away!!

 

[Tupring]

The other side of the coin, however, running Windows native on Macs WILL sell more boxes.

I still don't see why on Earth someone would want to buy a Mac, just to run Windoze. All the PeeCee users I know, despise Macs and won't go near them.

 

[Tupring]

I think if I had been still biased towards M$/PC and saw MAC OS running badly on a PC, I would have thought the system a bunch of hype and stuck with Windows.

As badly as Windows?

 

[Arnaud]

In the end they could offer OSX as open source for free, build the Aqua GUI on top of Linux - they have a world of possibilities.

Uh, yes, right. And the same year, car producers will sell their cars for the production costs only, politicians will stop accepting bribes, we will give decent salaries to workers in the sweat-shops in Asia, nobody will write viruses anymore, and Santa Claus will pay a personal visit to everyone on Xmas day. How could I miss the fact that Apple is in the end a philantropic company ?
I mean, all these options are also a world of possibilities. But maybe there is human nature / capitalistic interest behind the choices ?

For free, really ?

(Btw: "OsX open source" would mean any cheap pc manufacturer could start producing his own Mac, with different degrees of quality and price, and there would be not one reason anymore to buy an Apple).

Why do you think MS is looking at hardware with the X-box?

Because the market of game-stations is heaven if you can break through. Give a huge financial budget for the development to the machine, and propose a high-end machine: you get the interest of the market, over the competitors. Sell it for a cheap price, even if that means you basically lose money. And then make money on the software, which is reather cheap to produce (because of using the same motors again and again), because kiddos have to own games, while they would still be pirating software on their PC.

X-box etc is not a comparable market with the PCs: not the same target, not the same requisites from the machines, not the same development budgets, not the same life-time, not the same Os-issues,...

Apples and pears again...

 

[Tacitus]

Uh, yes, right. And the same year, car producers will sell their cars for the production costs only, politicians will stop accepting bribes, we will give decent salaries to workers in the sweat-shops in Asia, nobody will write viruses anymore, and Santa Claus will pay a personal visit to everyone on Xmas day. How could I miss the fact that Apple is in the end a philantropic company ?
I mean, all these options are also a world of possibilities. But maybe there is human nature / capitalistic interest behind the choices ?

For free, really ?

(Btw: "OsX open source" would mean any cheap pc manufacturer could start producing his own Mac, with different degrees of quality and price, and there would be not one reason anymore to buy an Apple).

But when open source (free) becomes the norm and Apple has found it impossible to restrict OSX to Apple hardware they still have other revenue sources to fall back on. IE Hardware, iTunes, services whatever. Leaving the sarcasm, aside of course they are not philanthropists - if they think giving OSX away and charging for support is more profitable, they will do it. Time will tell whatever you or I might think.

Because the market of game-stations is heaven if you can break through. Give a huge financial budget for the development to the machine, and propose a high-end machine: you get the interest of the market, over the competitors. Sell it for a cheap price, even if that means you basically lose money. And then make money on the software, which is reather cheap to produce (because of using the same motors again and again), because kiddos have to own games, while they would still be pirating software on their PC.

That assumes nobody breaks the software keys...

 

[jbooo]

Re:

very interesting ramble I must say. remember the large reason why "security holes like swiss cheese" haven't been found isn't all due to the fact the OS is a strong brick wall but mainly b/c it only holds an 8 or 9% share of the computer world... therefore most people aren't interested in finding holes. I don't think Apple will take over the world but a larger chunk in percentage is definitely their goal. The problem is the ease of buying a cheap dell, hp, etc. Letting dell and others sell mac software with their hardware will increase Apple's share, I only hope Apple makes damn sure the software works flawless with the hardware and that dell, et al. doesn't add third party bullcrap software that jumps up at you everytime you turn the computer on etc. etc. I guess we'll see. the possibilities are very interesting thats for sure. I'm not actually sure what side I'm on for this though.

Actually, Free BSD is "part" of Mac OSX, The Core of it. Free BSD has been used in almost all forms of Government for over 20 years, the market share is in-calcuable because of the secrecy involved with Governmet Policy. UNIX (including Free BSD and it's many cousins like LINUX and such have been used to support the infrastructure of the worlds "Communication Backbone via Servers". These are the servers that allow people to do commerce and talk on this very forum. Market share is only "ONE" part of the equation. One other part is the "PEOPLE" who support the platform, and their character. People write viruses and try to hack WINDOWS because they KNOW there is weakness in the code and Microshaft never has fully admitted this to the public in it's entirety. You may say that these people do it for fun or fame but the truth is they are trying to force windows to either fix it or fess-up to the truth. Both have slowly happened and become apparent in the media. Meanwhile the only way ANYONE has sucessfully done any harm to Free BSD or MAc OSX is to trick the USER not the OS. Be it with malicious code disguised as a jpeg or whatever, but the reality is the Mac OSX IS more secure by design because that's how FREE BSD was made. It was created to BE secure... do some reaserch and educate yourself. That's the only way anyone here will "get it" is if they stop asking other people to EXPLAIN why, instead do your own work and investigate...


I suggest you read the following to get aquaited with the scope of what BSD is and what it can offer to the Mac platform:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/index.html
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html
http://www.opendarwin.org/

 

[yac_moda]

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[thegreatunknown]

Actually, Free BSD is "part" of Mac OSX, The Core of it. Free BSD has been used in almost all forms of Government for over 20 years, the market share is in-calcuable because of the secrecy involved with Governmet Policy. UNIX (including Free BSD and it's many cousins like LINUX and such have been used to support the infrastructure of the worlds "Communication Backbone via Servers". These are the servers that allow people to do commerce and talk on this very forum. Market share is only "ONE" part of the equation. One other part is the "PEOPLE" who support the platform, and their character. People write viruses and try to hack WINDOWS because they KNOW there is weakness in the code and Microshaft never has fully admitted this to the public in it's entirety. You may say that these people do it for fun or fame but the truth is they are trying to force windows to either fix it or fess-up to the truth. Both have slowly happened and become apparent in the media. Meanwhile the only way ANYONE has sucessfully done any harm to Free BSD or MAc OSX is to trick the USER not the OS. Be it with malicious code disguised as a jpeg or whatever, but the reality is the Mac OSX IS more secure by design because that's how FREE BSD was made. It was created to BE secure... do some reaserch and educate yourself. That's the only way anyone here will "get it" is if they stop asking other people to EXPLAIN why, instead do your own work and investigate...


I suggest you read the following to get aquaited with the scope of what BSD is and what it can offer to the Mac platform:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/index.html
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html
http://www.opendarwin.org/

I very much agree with you about the current fad of forums. I hope people don't lose creativity, motivation, hard work, etc. etc.

I must say I'm hard pressed to believe Apple and Sun don't calculate the 1000s of computers being used in national labs like Lawrence Livermore, Sandia, Oak Ridge into their marketshare. Just like I'm quite sure M$ uses the multiple thousands of dells sitting in capitol hill in their marketshare. just a thought though, too lazy to look it up. but I guess I'm not sure what you mean by the secrecy involved with government policy, cause that doesn't determine the OS they use.

anyways, many thanks for the links. I've actually spent many years learning unix and linux but more help is always worthwhile.

 

[jbooo]

Re:

I very much agree with you about the current fad of forums. I hope people don't lose creativity, motivation, hard work, etc. etc.

I must say I'm hard pressed to believe Apple and Sun don't calculate the 1000s of computers being used in national labs like Lawrence Livermore, Sandia, Oak Ridge into their marketshare. Just like I'm quite sure M$ uses the multiple thousands of dells sitting in capitol hill in their marketshare. just a thought though, too lazy to look it up. but I guess I'm not sure what you mean by the secrecy involved with government policy, cause that doesn't determine the OS they use.

anyways, many thanks for the links. I've actually spent many years learning unix and linux but more help is always worthwhile.

Well UNIX has been used in Government facilities since there was an internet , hell the Government is partially, if not wholly, responsible for the fact that there IS a internet but they do not disclose which flavor of UNIX... Some Mac OSX facilities exist that we "know" of because of media exposure such as the super-computer-clusters for the Navy and Army, Alamosa Labratories, etc. But the most part is secret... so none really knows what "flavor" of UNIX is bieng used but that some form IS in use... be it Free BSD, OPEN BSD, LINUX, etc... as well as MS Winblows (to bad about the latter)
Check out this site... it's a little sobering but alas not ALL is lost... there is better security in UNIX than most but like others have said ALL software has holes... some are just bigger than others...the fact that win95/98 had NO security measures is really a surprise to a lot of people...
check these site's for FACTS about security
http://www.cybersoft.com/whitepapers/papers/print/networks_print.html
http://www.seifried.org/security/index.php/UNIX_and_Viruses
the second one is the really sobering one for WIN users...