Wouldn't surprise me if we are going to see some kind of upgraded mail functionality in iOS 14, this has the vague whiff of Apple trying to nerf a competing product.
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Apple Threatens to Remove Email App 'Hey' From App Store Over Lack of In-App Subscription Option [Updated]
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Wouldn't surprise me if apple updates the email functionality and gets criticized for competing with it's competitors...or if they wind up by not updating the email functionality, gets criticized for being lazy and not keeping up with the competition. This has a vague whiff of Apple damned if they do or damned if they don't.
I think you may have hit the jackpot. The only guy that understood zilch.
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Man the world is fairly broad. So broad that some people might equate that earth is flat and looking at the shipping window is the same thing as access. That seams to be the case of your argumentative abilities. For which I really lack the time to unravel.Unfortunately, based on the comments, that universe is fairly broad.
Arguing that access is free because one can click a link on the web to it to be directed than to iOS (device) that you need to buy to the shop owner before using the service its really good. You absolutely got us all there. Very good.
Just answered out of courtesy.
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Their 'competitors' can't compete can they? Apple will throw them out of the App Store unless they cough up their 30%.
That is why Apple needs a regulatory leg smacking.
We know there are no alteratives in the app store to: mail, navigation, stocks, pdf apps, etc. The devs should cough up the 30% and play by rules. They know what the rules are...some just want to skirt them.Their 'competitors' can't compete can they? Apple will throw them out of the App Store unless they cough up their 30%.
That is why Apple needs a regulatory leg smacking.
No. Some are voicing that the rules aren’t fair and are anti competitive. But it’s nice that Apple is in that tone ... some devs are now seen has villains because they want to be able to access 30% of the market in fairer terms? Great WWDC start. Im sure they will use it to poke on the issue ... it will interesting to watch a self proclaimed Santa for the mobile software and digital services industry.
To me those devs who eschew the WWDC are probably missing out on a great opportunity to get their apps ready for ios 14. If apple is willfully engaging in anti-competitive behavior they should be taken to task. But an MR posters view of anti-competitive behavior might be different than a government inquiry about it.
While the congress is investigating Apple, maybe they could get the banks to lower the interest rate, get the government to lower the FICA and SS so I could bring home more, etc. Let them start with their own backyard.
Yeah. Great opportunity. Don’t worry, don’t think devs will miss it. Govs and banks are skirting too against Apple?. I guess they all should run through Apple . Man, just stop. it’s getting weird.
All this is a distraction from the actual innovation in the industry and the power and future of Apple. They should just fix it as they usually do.
Apple is cherry peaking devs. For instance, MS has no problem deploying their MS Office apps in a subscription model outside of the App Store. Office apps are no “readers”.
Now devs that feel are not being treated as equals are accused of wanting to abuse Apple given the golden venue that has provided them (according to Apple). Of course in this story the fact that iPhone and iPads would probably dead in the water without an App Store cannot play a role. Of course devs being a lot more that Apple touts.
Just an example. The rules are fluid
All this is a distraction from the actual innovation in the industry and the power and future of Apple. They should just fix it as they usually do.
Their 'competitors' can't compete can they? Apple will throw them out of the App Store unless they cough up their 30%.
That is why Apple needs a regulatory leg smacking.
Apple is cherry peaking devs. For instance, MS has no problem deploying their MS Office apps in a subscription model outside of the App Store. Office apps are no “readers”.
Now devs that feel are not being treated as equals are accused of wanting to abuse Apple given the golden venue that has provided them (according to Apple). Of course in this story the fact that iPhone and iPads would probably dead in the water without an App Store cannot play a role. Of course devs being a lot more that Apple touts.
Just an example. The rules are fluid
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Yes, if the regulators manage to force them. If they are in fact anticompetitive. With a minority marketshare, it doesn't seem any more anticompetitive than the majority google play store, the samsung tv app store. But it's not your opinion or my opinion that really counts here in terms of any changes that Apple may make. And even if changes are made still,certain people won't be happy with them.Yes. Until the regulators force them to to change their anticompetitive 'rules'
Though I’m sure it’s not always the case, if I catch wind of an app to try, whatever it is, I go to the App Store and search for it, if it doesn’t come up, I stop looking.
a) I don’t need to input my cc at another place (99% of the reason)
b) if it’s been filtered out of the App Store, likely there’s something shady going on etc.
c) updates Yada Yada,
d) after I’ve DL'ed an app, seldom is it needed
e) all this fuss for an email app? Really
a) I don’t need to input my cc at another place (99% of the reason)
b) if it’s been filtered out of the App Store, likely there’s something shady going on etc.
c) updates Yada Yada,
d) after I’ve DL'ed an app, seldom is it needed
e) all this fuss for an email app? Really
Yes, if the regulators manage to force them. If they are in fact anticompetitive. With a minority marketshare, it doesn't seem any more anticompetitive than the majority google play store, the samsung tv app store. But it's not your opinion or my opinion that really counts here in terms of any changes that Apple may make. And even if changes are made still,certain people won't be happy with them.
Google also deserve anti trust scrutiny, their App Store however at least offers devs an alternative and doesn't try to strong arm them into coughing up their 30% with cheap thinly veiled threats like 'Don't run to the press'
Apple have abused their power for years, many in their own developer community will celebrate any punishment dished out to them.
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No. You've missed the point.
No, I haven’t missed the point.
Should an app developer be able to circumvent the App Store?
No
Should an app developer be able to negotiate the % of App Store costs?
Not on social media, forums. We have no idea if other apps get deals.
Should an app developer plan their publicity blitz on a negative, poor me, it’s not fair, wahhh Ad.
No
Should an app developer be able to circumvent the App Store?
No
Should an app developer be able to negotiate the % of App Store costs?
Not on social media, forums. We have no idea if other apps get deals.
Should an app developer plan their publicity blitz on a negative, poor me, it’s not fair, wahhh Ad.
No
Maybe those devs should have devoted their effort for writing apps for a company that really appreciates them unlike Apple, who *abuses their devs*. These devs want access to the riches without following the rules. Screw them I say (and I'm a former dev, who thought I made out rather well)
For everyone that leaves the development ecosystem, another will take their place and see the opportunity.
It's a far cry right now to believe Apple will get any sanctions. I know people who don't even have any Apple products think Apple deserves some punishment, but you(I or we) don't know what will happen, if anything.
Yes you definitely have.
Apple can impose whatever arbitrary rules they like but ultimately regulators will decide if they are an abuse of their position. That is the issue here.
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Not relevant at all really.
So you are suggesting Apple can not clarify rules in the app store and those that circumvent the rules get dealt with appropriately. That is their right and it is not abuse of power. But if you think it is, we clearly disagree.
No. Apple doesn't apply their rules consistently.
They also have prohibited third party apps from functionality that their services use.
Like when they spammed iOS users with push notifications advertising Apple Music while prohibiting competing services from doing so.
EDIT: Also worth noting that they relaxed the push notification rule once Spotify filed a complaint, funny how that goes..
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Saying the system isn't perfect, doesn't mean it's broken either. I don't have any knowledge of the above, but for me, it really doesn't matter. Life is imperfect. Unless it can be proved, Apple is malicious in it's application of rules, I'm going to chalk it up to imperfection, rather than anti-competitive behavior. With two million apps in the app store, it won't be first time or last that a dev played fast and loose with the rules.
And with Hey, it's my opinion Apple is fully justified.
Why isn‘t Apple so zealous when it comes to Office 365? As far as anyone can tell none of the Office apps are ‘reader’ apps and there is no in app Office 365 subscription.
The fact is, that Apple it’s putting this dev in a greater disadvantage to its direct competItors.
The rules don’t need clarification because they are totally and absolutely fluid as per Apple discretion. That in turns holds 25% market share of the mobile space globally and in regions go beyond 50%.
You are systematically confusing issues using sophisms. The object of the App Store was to bring more value, more features to the ecossystem, hence facilitating even more device sales. It is going bzerk in these cases, because the object becomes something else. The ecossystem has evolved but not the rules.
When you actually create yourself a software business baseD in some idea you might have, invest time. Money, suet, marketing, employees, taxes so on and so forth, for sure you don’t simple give 30% of your efforts just like that. Especially when an entity it’s using its market power to coerce you to actually doing it against yourself given the competition. That is actually illegal as far as I can tell ... well at least it’s a business practice really frowned uponl!!!!!!!!!
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No understanding the rules, (and I'm not diving into them for the sake of a forum post), doesn't mean the office apps don't bucket into some other rules or exemptions.
Actually seems like the competition is coming into compliance, something this dev should have done from the beginning.
They might seem fluid to those who don't understand the rules. Apple will get into deep trouble by being artbitrary. That doesn't mean the rules should being tweaked.
The objective is helping the developers as well as keeping a level playing field and a certain usability in apps. This dev wanted to be a loud mouth about it.
Yes, I did this, but no longer offer an app. Your opinion of being illegal is just that.
Don’t think that the point of the dev is wether or not he should be in compliance.
Cheers.
That's exactly the point. The Hey devs knew what they were releasing didn't meet app store guidelines and made a stink about it, like crying wolf. Their competition will also meet app store guidelines with the next release.
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When you actually create yourself a software business baseD in some idea you might have, invest time. Money, suet, marketing, employees, taxes so on and so forth, for sure you don’t simple give 30% of your efforts just like that. Especially when an entity it’s using its market power to coerce you to actually doing it against yourself given the competition. That is actually illegal as far as I can tell ... well at least it’s a business practice really frowned uponl!!!!!!!!!
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Everyone is hung up on 30% as some sort of usary but it is not that bad. Sure, everyone loves to give a smaller cut but the fact remains the 30% cut is a lot better than the old system. Apple doesm't even force developrs to have an app to stream services or check mail, I check mail and stream shows just fine form Chrome or Safari.
I also find the "coerce" arguement specious. Apple is not forcing anyone to develop for iOS and sell on the App Store. That is a decision developers need to make and factor in the 30% cut. If they can't price to make a profit with a 30% cut they need to revist their business model. Developers use the app store becuse it brings them a good market, and Apple charges accordingly.
As for market power, Apple does not have market power in the app market as their is plenty of competition from Andriod, which is the market leader.
When you actually create yourself a software business baseD in some idea you might have, invest time. Money, suet, marketing, employees, taxes so on and so forth, for sure you don’t simple give 30% of your efforts just like that. Especially when an entity it’s using its market power to coerce you to actually doing it against yourself given the competition. That is actually illegal as far as I can tell ... well at least it’s a business practice really frowned uponl!!!!!!!!!
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Everyone is hung up on 30% as some sort of usary but it is not that bad. Sure, everyone loves to give a smaller cut but the fact remains the 30% cut is a lot better than the old system. Apple doesm't even force developrs to have an app to stream services or check mail, I check mail and stream shows just fine form Chrome or Safari.
I also find the "coerce" arguement specious. Apple is not forcing anyone to develop for iOS and sell on the App Store. That is a decision developers need to make and factor in the 30% cut. If they can't price to make a profit with a 30% cut they need to revist their business model. Developers use the app store becuse it brings them a good market, and Apple charges accordingly.
As for market power, Apple does not have market power in the app market as their is plenty of competition from Andriod, which is the market leader.