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Apple to Adopt Alternative Chipsets for Next Laptops?
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Yea, good points there. Makes sence. Well I'm of to bed before my head explodes, have a good evening all!!!
Hey guys, remember that apple is both a hardware and a software company, and that they design their software to compliment their hardware.
With that being said intel is designing chipsets to appeal to the masses of computer platforms and builders. Apple may be looking to improve upon their own hardware, and optimizing the software for it specifically while still incorporating the #1 chip builder intel for the actual CPU.
This is just a thought, as Intel designs chipsets for the masses, and not apple. Apple's focus on performance with the concept of snow leopard is really good to hear, and this chipset move could be what really sets apple's performance apart from any other manufacturers.
These are just my thoughts.
With that being said intel is designing chipsets to appeal to the masses of computer platforms and builders. Apple may be looking to improve upon their own hardware, and optimizing the software for it specifically while still incorporating the #1 chip builder intel for the actual CPU.
This is just a thought, as Intel designs chipsets for the masses, and not apple. Apple's focus on performance with the concept of snow leopard is really good to hear, and this chipset move could be what really sets apple's performance apart from any other manufacturers.
These are just my thoughts.
Switching to Intel.
Sorry if I miss read the article. Like I said, I'm not a very tech savvy guy when it comes down to the more intense hardware. I thought like someone else said on here that the chipset is the processor. If it's not, than cool! If they stick with the Intel processor it will be a good move in my opinion.
Sorry if I miss read the article. Like I said, I'm not a very tech savvy guy when it comes down to the more intense hardware. I thought like someone else said on here that the chipset is the processor. If it's not, than cool! If they stick with the Intel processor it will be a good move in my opinion.
Hey guys, remember that apple is both a hardware and a software company, and that they design their software to compliment their hardware.
With that being said intel is designing chipsets to appeal to the masses of computer platforms and builders. Apple may be looking to improve upon their own hardware, and optimizing the software for it specifically while still incorporating the #1 chip builder intel for the actual CPU.
This is just a thought, as Intel designs chipsets for the masses, and not apple. Apple's focus on performance with the concept of snow leopard is really good to hear, and this chipset move could be what really sets apple's performance apart from any other manufacturers.
These are just my thoughts.
My thoughts exactly.
I think everyone is (justifiably) in paranoid mode after the problems with the launch of the iPhone 3G and MobileMe. But if Apple does this right, it could definitely increase performance and cut costs.
Wrong
A top of the line G4 + Monitor 7 years ago, cost £2115, the equal Mac Pro + equal level of monitor today is £3,255.596.
Apple ruin a good thing? If you want a decent GIS system use Unix.
There's been big rumors for the past two Mondays...
...anyone excited about next Monday's rumors? I'm sure they'll be even more outlandish than today's.
...anyone excited about next Monday's rumors?
I'm sure they'll be even more outlandish than today's.Usually some Mac rumors have merit and they typically get the rumor right but in the wrong category/product.
Maybe Apple will be using a new chipset, but I seriously doubt for a regular macbook or macbook pro. Maybe the new much touted macbook touch or macbook air? THe author suggesting using the Puma chipset by AMD with Intel penryns just made laugh and solidified how the person who wrote the article doesnt know his tech very well. You can't just take another chipset from a completely different company and architecture just because its a chipset and stick a chip in it. Intel's chips are definitely not pin compatibile with any of AMD's chipsets...And I also doubt either company would let this happen w/o setting up a licensing deal. No way in hell Intel would let Apple use its chips with AMD chipsets. I dont understand the basis of this article either..Why? Intel's chipsets outperform any other x86 chipset in the market...Why would apple look eslewhere? Because the delay? This doesn't make any sense. If they drop Intel chipsets they might as well drop Intel chips because they will be severely crippled running on a 3rd party chipset...
The only thing I this might apply to is smaller form factor devices..But still this doesn't make any sense..
Maybe Apple will be using a new chipset, but I seriously doubt for a regular macbook or macbook pro. Maybe the new much touted macbook touch or macbook air? THe author suggesting using the Puma chipset by AMD with Intel penryns just made laugh and solidified how the person who wrote the article doesnt know his tech very well. You can't just take another chipset from a completely different company and architecture just because its a chipset and stick a chip in it. Intel's chips are definitely not pin compatibile with any of AMD's chipsets...And I also doubt either company would let this happen w/o setting up a licensing deal. No way in hell Intel would let Apple use its chips with AMD chipsets. I dont understand the basis of this article either..Why? Intel's chipsets outperform any other x86 chipset in the market...Why would apple look eslewhere? Because the delay? This doesn't make any sense. If they drop Intel chipsets they might as well drop Intel chips because they will be severely crippled running on a 3rd party chipset...
The only thing I this might apply to is smaller form factor devices..But still this doesn't make any sense..
That might not be such a bad thing. I just picked up the new FW for $999. Except for the OS, it smokes the MacBook on all levels. Oh yeah, including build quality.
Guys, Bootcamp is waved around as a "feature" of OS X now. Even in a rampant attempt to lock down hardware with in-house chipsets, Apple wouldn't just eliminate Windows compatibility.
If anything is going on here, I see Apple setting itself up to do something unique and different. And closing off standardized keyboards and peripherals? Come on now... no need for doomsday prophecies.
If anything is going on here, I see Apple setting itself up to do something unique and different. And closing off standardized keyboards and peripherals? Come on now... no need for doomsday prophecies.
I have no opinion either way... yet. I'll need to think this over for a while. But I just wanted to say:
G6 on the way?
G6 on the way?
Absolutely wrong.
Having the same chipset as the CPU ensures an optimum level of support, performance and economies of scale that you cannot have with separate makers; and even more so in the case of Intel, which has an absolute lead BOTH in terms of performance and fab capacity.
If you are referring to GPU acceleration or parallel processing, fine...for everything else a single, all-inclusive maker is better.
It's like using spare parts for a car that are not supported by the original maker. In other words, NO THANKS...
Boldface added by me. Those claims sound good, but they're too extreme. Maybe separate makers WILL in future have something worth offering. Maybe Apple themselves will even design chips that have great performance, support, and pricing.
You seem to have a terrifying vision of the future, in which nothing could ever better than Intel chipsets, and in which mixing chips and CPUs from different sources could never have any benefit.
You've pointed out the obvious benefit of "just getting it all from Intel."
What about the benefits of other options? Are you sure there never could be any? Because we're talking about the future, not the past.
If indeed no benefit is ever to be gained by any future non-Intel chipsets, then I doubt Apple will bother using them.
Meanwhile, I wouldn't lose too much sleep over Apple intentionally choosing slower, more expensive chips. I think you're overreacting without enough information.
If there's even any truth to this rumor, then Apple could make a blunder by opening themselves to non-Intel chipsets. Or they could be making a very smart move that we can't judge until we know at least something about it.
I personally like the idea of Apple being open to using what's BEST rather than what's Intel.
Your car analogy makes no sense. A GOOD part for a car will work great. A bad part won't. No matter who made it. But cars are MEANT to have parts from many different makers. I'm not sure how you can get from that analogy to the sudden fear that Apple will change to bad parts on purpose.
Everything is starting to come full circle since Apple barely opened their mouths about some new products slated to come out later this year.
It'll be very interesting/cool how Apple shocks us with some crazy new products/changes to their products.
Apple is not moving from Intel processors, can you people read the article before jumping into a stupid craze?
Apple wants to push for power efficient, light, and powerful mobile machines, and they want to do something that the other companies (Dell, HP, etc) can not do. Using their resources and a large bundle of $$, they can do something great.
It'll be very interesting/cool how Apple shocks us with some crazy new products/changes to their products.
Apple is not moving from Intel processors, can you people read the article before jumping into a stupid craze?
Apple wants to push for power efficient, light, and powerful mobile machines, and they want to do something that the other companies (Dell, HP, etc) can not do. Using their resources and a large bundle of $$, they can do something great.
I think a lot of people are making a knee-jerk gut reaction to this news and forgetting one thing ;
Apple have been ever increasingly aggressive and more and more innovative each and every year since 2001 when the iPod gave them the financial independence to begin a serious technological challenge to the prevailing Wintel paradigm.
Steve Jobs indicated numerous times last year that they planned to out-gun the competition with significant R&D - indeed R&D went through the roof last year.
Once again, I said in my very first post as soon as the P.A Semi announcement was made that they are planning something BIG.
Here are some facts you can count on ;
1) They will continue to use Intel Processors - millions of them.
2) Intel HAS developed a unique and EXCLUSIVE hybrid chipset platform for Apple in order that they can integrate their P.A Semi chipset advances into it.
3) The Santa-Rosa-Montevina iMac chipset was a 'test' of this new idea. Really just a 'tooling up- dummy run' exercise to see how the partnership would work out.
4) This new technology base will put them 3-5x ahead of the competition in performance, power management and roadmap acceleration.
5) It will be built specifically for Snow Leopard and increase performance gains substantially.
Make no mistake, those who underestimate the aggression and ambition of NEW APPLE will fail - this time they are going ALL OUT TO WIN. I only hope the hysteria and panic pushes the stock below 140 so I can get a bucket full...
Apple have been ever increasingly aggressive and more and more innovative each and every year since 2001 when the iPod gave them the financial independence to begin a serious technological challenge to the prevailing Wintel paradigm.
Steve Jobs indicated numerous times last year that they planned to out-gun the competition with significant R&D - indeed R&D went through the roof last year.
Once again, I said in my very first post as soon as the P.A Semi announcement was made that they are planning something BIG.
Here are some facts you can count on ;
1) They will continue to use Intel Processors - millions of them.
2) Intel HAS developed a unique and EXCLUSIVE hybrid chipset platform for Apple in order that they can integrate their P.A Semi chipset advances into it.
3) The Santa-Rosa-Montevina iMac chipset was a 'test' of this new idea. Really just a 'tooling up- dummy run' exercise to see how the partnership would work out.
4) This new technology base will put them 3-5x ahead of the competition in performance, power management and roadmap acceleration.
5) It will be built specifically for Snow Leopard and increase performance gains substantially.
Make no mistake, those who underestimate the aggression and ambition of NEW APPLE will fail - this time they are going ALL OUT TO WIN. I only hope the hysteria and panic pushes the stock below 140 so I can get a bucket full...
Didn't you even read the title of the article? No one said anything about them moving away from the Intel CPU and the X86 instruction set. What they are talking about is who makes things like the disk controller and the chip that connects the USB port and so on. You as a user, even if you clicked "about this Mac" could not tell the difference
You want a car analogy? OK you get one anyways. The are changing which subcontractor who makes the transmission. Would you notice?
Quoted for truth. Completely agreed.
That would also kinda explain:
Because PA Semi has a lot to do with it.AppleInsider said:
It's not a CPU, it's a chipset.
aha, my bad, so what are the choices out there? Or is apple just trying to get some difference integrated GPU other than Intel GMA?
Actually, why not?
The PowerPC processor was designed by a consortium made up of IBM, Motorola, and Apple. IBM stopped producing the PPC chips in about '02, leaving Motorola as the sole remaining manufacturer of the chips. Motorola chose to no continue R&D on the PPC chips after touching the 2Mhz 'barrier.' Why?(Third Base!
) I don't know (Shortstop! ) This subsequently forced Apple onto a readily-available processor that I honestly don't believe they wanted.Now that they're on the x86 platform, it was only a matter of time before somebody would try to 'clone' the Mac onto a non-Apple motherboard. As long as it was by hobbyists for their personal use, they didn't complain. On the other hand, Psystar make it quite obvious that there were those willing to do it for money.
Strangely, at just about the time of the Psystar launch, Apple buys a company known for making its own version of the PPC chip. Coincidence? Could they be planning to go back to the PPC but use an in-house manufactured chip? Or are they instead using this company to build some sort of security chip designed not only to prevent unauthorized 'cloning' but also for better hardware security? Maybe even something designed to block the sorts of malware now trying to make itself felt in the Macintosh communicty?
Now we hear of Apple perhaps adopting a new, non-Intel chipset. The coincidences build. And what of AMD? It wasn't that long ago that AMD produced processors as fast or faster than Intel's chips of the time and proved multiple times that their processors were more accurate in floating-point processes. AMD developed a reputation as the processor to use. In return, Intel began flooding the market with lower-cost chips; going so far, allegedly, as to actually sell specific chips at near zero price point in order to influence the OEM market.
What is Apple doing and why are they doing it? It looks to me like there is no one correct answer.