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Apple to Adopt RCS Messaging Standard for Better Interoperability With Android Devices
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not sure what you mean by 'relearning' of rcs
apple users largely haven't learned rcs yet
no the differentiation actually serves a purpose (as I've said bedsore in this discussion) it does warn you about the use of sms that (per byte) could be (depending on contracts/bundle with carrier and location of the other party (integrational/domestic)) way more expensive than an iMessage, if rcs will be free there is no reason for distinguishing between rcs and iMessage , but there is still an argument for distinguishing between rcs+Imessage and SMS. No I.m not from Scotland but I'm half Dutch so that might explain my over focus on categorizing messages according to possible delivery costs
Like average people care about encryption at all or know about it. Those shallow people only care about blue vs green bubbles.
Most people also care about paying (SMS) vs free (iMessage).
And before someone says unlimited SMS plans are universal, this is not the case in every country. And even in countries where unlimited SMS plans are the norm, “unlimited” pretty much never covers all SMS sent to international numbers, while iMessage does that for free.
Assuming there are no fees for RCS, this would be an argument to use blue bubbles for RCS so to indicate they you can safely sent messages without fearing paying a fee every time you press send (similarity to iMessage).
So the millions in the US that use Facebook and instagram have a problem with JUST WhatsApp?
I still see a lot of people are confusing the Apple Messages app with iMessage.
I don’t think introducing RCS would preclude iMessage from being regulated by the EU. The EU regulations are based on company size and number of users. From all accounts, iMessage does not meet the number of users threshold to be designated a gatekeeper.
RCS will slot in somewhere between SMS/MMS and iMessage in terms of feature set and security.
RCS will be green bubble, the same as SMS/MMS. iMessage will continue to be blue bubble.
I don’t think introducing RCS would preclude iMessage from being regulated by the EU. The EU regulations are based on company size and number of users. From all accounts, iMessage does not meet the number of users threshold to be designated a gatekeeper.
RCS will slot in somewhere between SMS/MMS and iMessage in terms of feature set and security.
RCS will be green bubble, the same as SMS/MMS. iMessage will continue to be blue bubble.
This can only be good news if it solves Android users being excluded from certain friendship groups by not being able to use iMessage (I read something about it on here earlier this week). Although this does seem very location specific. In the UK, my younger siblings use WhatsApp and Snapchat to communicate with their friends, and now also Discord when gaming. I don't know any iPhone user that uses iMessage more over WhatsApp. It works so well cross platform and on the Web, not to be the default. I've also never had anyone complain that they can't text me properly because I use Android.
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RCS does work in the UK. I think most European carriers support it.
They could say though, look EU, this is our compatibility layer. Now other messengers can hook up to that.
This is one hilarious thread.
This will not hurt your iMessage chats, it will however make things better for those who don't want to own an overpriced iPhone but wish to chat with their friends/family without Apple deliberately trying to make them out to be social outcasts and freaks for not wanting to line Tims pockets.
If the android user has RCS, then iMessage will fall back onto that, otherwise it'll just fall back to SMS. Great for group chats, sending photos/videos, so great for everyone.
This doesn't affect the rest of the world outside the U.S but it is funny watching Americans reactions on here and social media like they've just had their property devalued or had the hillbillies move into Beverly Hills.
At least the EU wants to innovate, unlike Apple.
This will not hurt your iMessage chats, it will however make things better for those who don't want to own an overpriced iPhone but wish to chat with their friends/family without Apple deliberately trying to make them out to be social outcasts and freaks for not wanting to line Tims pockets.
If the android user has RCS, then iMessage will fall back onto that, otherwise it'll just fall back to SMS. Great for group chats, sending photos/videos, so great for everyone.
This doesn't affect the rest of the world outside the U.S but it is funny watching Americans reactions on here and social media like they've just had their property devalued or had the hillbillies move into Beverly Hills.
At least the EU wants to innovate, unlike Apple.
I think the RCS that the vast majority of people are using is the RCS universal profile with added google flavours.
The RCS Apple will be introducing is just RCS universal profile, so may be missing features that Android to Android chat has.
If the point of the law is to stop message protocols from acting as gatekeepers, I can’t see how adding another protocol fixes that. For instance, the EU has said that people messaging using the WhatsApp messaging protocol must be able to send/receive messages from users using a different protocol.
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Great news and one that I didn’t expect. The legislators must’ve been circling.
But using green still for rcs seems petty.
I’m not expecting them to use blue, but a very good obvious way to denote encrypted rcs would be good.
A colour other than green would be a good way to easily do this.
Else, I hope there will at least be a clear icon indicator that it’s encrypted rcs, if they must still use green for it.
But using green still for rcs seems petty.
I’m not expecting them to use blue, but a very good obvious way to denote encrypted rcs would be good.
A colour other than green would be a good way to easily do this.
Else, I hope there will at least be a clear icon indicator that it’s encrypted rcs, if they must still use green for it.
We don’t yet know what level of encryption RCS messages will have. I suspect probably some level of encryption, but not E2EE. I guess that’s why they’ll remain green as they’ll be relatively insecure messages vs iMessage.
I’d say of few things here:
1) The EU still hasn’t designated iMessage as a gatekeeper as apparently it is borderline and there is an argument on how to count users. If they are in a grey area and there is an ongoing discussion, this could be a way to send an appeasing message after years of refusing compromise (basically that would be Apple acknowledging that never showing any goodwill worked for a while, but is now leading to authorities cracking down on them - and Europe probably first before others areas join-in).
2) Or if they want to go a more confrontational way, having RCS support as a backup puts a nuclear option on the table for Apple: if they were really unhappy with how the EU wants to regulate iMessage, they could just disable it in the EU and tell European users they’ll have to revered back to RCS due to the EU banning iMessage in its current form (i.e. trying to look good by blaming it on the EU and offering some alternative). Like with actual nuclear weapons, even if they don’t use that option, the simple fact that it is on the table could influence discussion with the EU in Apple’s favour.
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I suspect the argument probably is down to how you count number of users. WhatsApp and Facebook messenger must very clearly be over the threshold regardless of how you count. Interestingly, they weren’t prepared to compromise either.
i don’t think introducing RCS will change how the EU ultimately decides how to count number of users.
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Personally I actually liked knowing right out the gate if someone has an android or iPhone. Just personal preference.
But if this brings any of the potential spam and low quality stuff of android I simply rather not have it connected with my operating system.
When I was using lumia windows phones, Microsoft definitely put the writings on the wall with the death of windows phone by trying to make it easily connected with android so that more peole
Would buy it. Obviously apple
Is nowhere near Microsoft’s demise with windows phone but I’m seeing parallels of what happens when an OEM starts mixing interoperability with android and it definitely killed my favorite Os.
It’s actually what pushed me over to iOS full time after windows phone demise.
It’s also what is pushing me fully over to mac and iPad early next year because I literally want nothing to do with google or android in my devices.
I was disturbed my partner wants to move us over to google fi. Lmao absolutely not.
Comments like these make you guys sound like the bullied kids in high school who want to make sure you know they rebelled against the status quo aka didn’t get an iPhone 😂
I’d imagine android would have a higher market share when you can buy an android phone for $29 in America lol. And probably even cheaper in 3rd world countries.
Those statistics are irrelevant.
Kids don’t get iPhones simply because of the text app. Since most kids are using Snapchat to talk anyway lol.
Source: I was a teen not to long ago.
I have three teen brothers. And we all have iPhones and they choose to message me on snap before anything.
Kids wants iPhones like Macs. Like AirPods. Like beats headphones. Like iPods simply because apple has always been seen as the more upscale and better product.
The only kids I’ve seen ask for android devices specifically are kids who are into tinkering with products
Ugh I hope we do not get to a point where android variants are all we have. It’s a terrible os in all flavors of android.
Yeah it’s great to see them make use of these brand new, just released to the market features.