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kinda incredible the lengths apple users will go to deprive themselves of technological advancement to stick it to android
kind of incredible how you still haven’t explained what I’m deprived of lol.

It’s not like I’m unable to communicate with android users. I’ve been doing that since I got my first iPhone back in 2007.

RCS is great if it keeps iMessage for iOS I guess. But like most people in other non American countries who use things other than iMessage to communicate, we too.

Snapchat is my most used app for my communication. iMessage is mainly
For close friends or work.
 
And im an iPhone user who communicates with android users via sms

I think you fundamentally misunderstand the entire conversation
No I get it. RCS makes things easier for your friends to chat with you. That’s fine I guess.

But this whole argument that apple is ruining messaging is stupid.

Because even if they weren’t forced to do so, you’ve had the option to use other apps to still communicate that have existed for years.
 
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I have plenty of friends who have android. My mom uses an android. I’ve been trying to get her into iPhone To have a better product since she is always complaining about her crappy pixel 8.

Much like her, I have
1. Snapchat
2. Messenger
3. Instagram

To chat with her or anyone on android.

When my phone service had an outage I still had multiple ways of communicating with non apple users.

Just like most Americans. Most Americans have one or all of the above apps. Even my dad at 55 has a Snapchat. My mom loves instagram and Facebook so she is on messenger.

This is a benefit for android. Not iOS.

Your argument doesn't make any sense as all of these apps are available on Android as well.

Either no one benefits because it's all covered by third party apps anyway, which ironically will probably be the case in the EU, or everyone wins because it improves the iOS<>Android messaging experience.

Apple adopting RCS doesn't matter to Android users talking to other Android users, nor to Apple users talking to other Apple users.

It will improve iOS and Android users talking to one another through the built in messaging applications, which despite your claims to the contrary seems to be a widespread activity plagued but a less than ideal experience.

Why you keep digging in your heels claiming Apple users will not benefit at all from this I don't know, I don't think it really is a defensible position. But you do you.

we do use them.

I do like knowing who is green and who is blue. I kmow
Who is apple and who isn’t.

I do tease my friends jokingly about using android but I personally don’t care.

The OS is incredibly inferior imo and I’m glad that I jumped off that ship (I’d rather use a windows phone before I ever go back to android) but it works for them and a lot of people.

But most of us don’t care about green vs blue.

I don’t think I’m better than anyone who has an android.

So you don't care, other than wanting to know who has an iPhone and who hasn't, and teasing them, and trying to get your Mom to move to iPhone.

I do however balk at my phone becoming anything similar to android devices because I appreciate diversity and unfortunately we don’t have much diversity with operating systems.

And how exactly is Apple adopting a messaging standard making your iPhone similar to Android?!
 
The carriers would still force them to adopt RCS eventually. At some point the old SMS technology will be degraded or killed off. Never underestimate the power of carriers in this situation.
lol the carriers abandoned rcs because they didn't want to pay the money to implement it.
 
This whole situation sounds like a conversation between two horse cart owners stuck in the street arguing over whether grass or hay (or maybe cornflower petals?) is better for their horses, but all the whole time completely ignoring that an entire fast and advanced metro system has been built across their city during the past few years, with easy interchange between different lines.

SMS was the result, over 30 years ago now, of a happy coincidence between there being a few bytes spare in the GSM signalling protocols, and the realisation that a messaging system would be a handy thing to have and could also happily fit into that bandwidth.

But that was a long time time ago now, and mobile networks, and the internet, and expected uses, have changed massively since then. You look at RCS and you see that it has taken years and years and a crazy number of multiple iterations to even start to begin to get off the ground, and that, for no good reason nowadays, it needs individual mobile network operators to be involved and for them to provide equipment to support it (and they would probably even have seen it as a cash cow to try to coin in from, as they did with excessive SMS message costs at one point, if they could get away with it).

This is a ridiculous situation nowadays, where internet access on mobile phones is now entirely the norm (at a range of speeds and capabilities from GPRS upwards, but essentially becoming 4G+ from now on), and the mobile networks are now essentially mostly just data pipes, with fallback to the venerable older technologies for SMS and (sometimes) voice.

Any updated messaging protocol nowadays should just be a normal "over the top" internet app, the same as everything else, and of course E2EE by default. Messing around with ridiculously complicated gubbins way down at the mobile network operator level (why on earth?) is like trying to paint the cart wheels fluorescent yellow in the hope that this will make the horse cart go faster. (And being harnessed to an untrustworthy data-reaping 'partner' (Google) to gain what should be essential basic features such as encryption, with a lack of clarity of what happens at the boundaries between their black boxes and the rest of the network, is definitely a no-no situation.)

We have privacy-focused apps like Signal and Threema nowadays, we shouldn't be trying to prop up a now outdated and overly-complicated system like RCS (or apps with less well-regarded technology like Telegram, or those in the clutches of other data reapers like WhatsApp). If anything, the focus and effort should be on trying to make Signal's well-regarded technology into a proper interoperable and open standard that all communications apps can use, in an interoperable way.
 
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Your argument doesn't make any sense as all of these apps are available on Android as well.

Either no one benefits because it's all covered by third party apps anyway, which ironically will probably be the case in the EU, or everyone wins because it improves the iOS<>Android messaging experience.

Apple adopting RCS doesn't matter to Android users talking to other Android users, nor to Apple users talking to other Apple users.

It will improve iOS and Android users talking to one another through the built in messaging applications, which despite your claims to the contrary seems to be a widespread activity plagued but a less than ideal experience.

Why you keep digging in your heels claiming Apple users will not benefit at all from this I don't know, I don't think it really is a defensible position. But you do you.

Yes those apps exist elsewhere so anyone who has anti issues with the current connectivity issues with iOS and android have already found workarounds for them in other apps.

I can’t FaceTime with android users. But most of my friends have messenger so I still can.

Call it what it is.

Google can’t create its own messaging app that people actually want to use. They try to force google messages on androids 2 billion users and still nobody wants to use it lol. So they whine to the EU and now apple is adding RCS to keep iMessage exclusivity.

I get it from apples standpoint of adding it and if it keeps iMessage for iPhones and Mac then that’s fine.

But to sit here and tell me this is a benefit for me when I already have an app that works for my conversations with 98 percent of the ppl I know is ridiculous.

I’m willing to bet my tips I make tonight that most iPhone users know more iPhone users than android so in reality this is a “benefit” that only caters to a small issue that isn’t really that major of an issue since I have multiple apps cross platform that do what I need.

I really don’t care what phone someone has. I want my mother on iPhone sillly because I’m tired of her whining to me about it and it’s annoying trying to learn how to fix whatever issues she has today. I do like knowing who I can FaceTime or airdrop or do related iOS things too. Like using find my.

Between the usb c which I despise, sideloading apps which potentially runs the risk of future viruses, and now this this is feeling very android like.
 
No I get it. RCS makes things easier for your friends to chat with you. That’s fine I guess.

But this whole argument that apple is ruining messaging is stupid.

Because even if they weren’t forced to do so, you’ve had the option to use other apps to still communicate that have existed for years.

It makes it easier for me to talk to them too lmao

Are you intentionally this dense?
 
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Just like some ppl use cash app. I also have Venmo. Apple Pay. Unfortunately google pay. The options are there cross platform.
«laughs in Single European Payments Area»

That the US banking system is so clunky that people can't send money to each other (often near-instantly) using just their bank account details is always so astonishingly mind-boggling! ;)
 
Its a Apple problem if they want to adopt Universal Profile but not Google's extension for E2EE like they stated. Instead they want to "work" with GSMA to add E2EE to the standard. Meanwhile, every major carrier in the US has switched to Google Jibe and for client side, google messages and they all have E2EE. Its a Apple problem, if they don't want to work with Google to use the opensource signal protocol, a solution that is already there. I want the GSMA to add an encryption protocol to the Universal Profile but there is a solution out there that most carriers have adopted which already has E2EE.

Verizon

Tmobile

Att
the solution was to use what the rest of the world already does why are the Americans always stuck so behind
 
Majority of the arguments on this thread:

1. I don't need this so no one should have it because it's dumb.
2. I don't want this because Apple is there best and Google is dumb. Google bad.
3. I don't know what any of this means... So it's dumb and I don't want it.
4. I want to know exactly who has an Android phone so I can shame them for being dumb, poor, etc.
5. But...My bubbles!
 
This is a smart move by Apple. They’re adopting the RCS universal standard from the GSM association which is supported by practically every wireless carrier in the world and is essentially SMS+ if you will (for the common person to understand). You can bet however that green bubbles will still be green bubbles when in SMS and iMessage will always be blue. I suspect there will be a new color scheme to denote you’re using RCS with another mobile user and this makes sense as it denotes what you‘re using to communicate. It’s simple.

If anything this is more of a move against WhatsApp/Facebook/Meta as most people use that as an alternative to iMessage and standard SMS around world to communicate.
you seem to be under the mistaken opinion that most carriers natively support rcs they don't
 
Please, please, please let this be a step in the direction of 'killing off' those non-carrier grade chat apps like WhatsApp.

But until then, nice to see the Apple Messages app remains standards protocol compliant and updates it with the additional RCS Universal Profile protocol.
not going to happen, whats app/telegram and signal are miles better than rcs but you are obviously stuck in the past oh and rcs isn't run by many carriers natively so you can't say that either
 
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No. IMessage is an app with its own internal proprietary protocol. RCS is just a protocol. The EU is currently considering regulation that would force Apple to provide the entire iMessage app on other platforms (android). That is a far worse situation for Apple than internally supporting a more modern fallback than SMS/MMS.
the app has never been called iMessage ever.
 
The standard is what everybody is using, guess what nobody in the entire United States is using the RCS Universal Profile. I would argue it is not a standard if nobody is using it. The only reason why we have E2E is because Google added it on top of the existing standards that were adopted by the US wireless carriers. This is just Apple crippling the standard intentionally on their devices so they can say your messages are not secure and can be read on advertisements but they conveniently leave out the part Apple was solely the reason why everybody can read those message openly.
well in that case 'everyone' as in the rest of the world is using whatsapp / telegram and signal so you should be using that, if thats your defintion of the standard.
 
It makes it easier for me to talk to them too lmao

Are you intentionally this dense?
And again you imply that iPhone and android users have had issues communicating. Group chats hasn’t been an issue for like 10 years now with the rise of messenger app.

So your argument is flimsy at best. Are YOU intentionally this dense with pushing this ‘messaging between the two makes the experience suffer’ narrative.
 
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