Apple to Announce New MacBook, MacBook Pro, and Possibly MacBook Air at WWDC

[bigjnyc]

Last day before I can return my refurbished $1600 2015 15" MBP (16GB, 256GB, 2.2mhz)! Keep it or return to BB?

RETURN!!!! you can always buy another refurb after June 5th.... in fact the prices may even go down lower since they will be 2 generations removed.

 

[kyleh22]

Firstly, two people working on a laptop is presumably much less common than one person working on a laptop.

Secondly, isn't it easier to just turn a laptop around a little on a desk, than have someone need to actually sit in your seat?

I guess mileage's vary...

1. Happens at least once or twice during the day. With open work spaces people stop by quite frequently to show us stuff. 2. we use docks so it's kinda a PIA.
Long story short, I've used touch screen and the touch bar. For me personally, I like touch screen a lot but I certainly don't need it. I found no benefit to having a touch bar.

 

[instech360]

RETURN!!!! you can always buy another refurb after June 5th.... in fact the prices may even go down lower since they will be 2 generations removed.

Ok...as much as I love this thing, I can go a little time without it. Just want to add, as a first time Mac user (having been on various Dell & IBM Lenovo machines in the past), I love the Mac platform. Also a big fan of the keyboard on the 2016 MBP (I was just in BestBuy taking a look). Seems to be a lot quieter than on the 2015.

 

[SarcasticJoe]

I think you should go look at some of these things. They're not chargers, they're cables. You'd be at no more risk of an over voltage or over current event with one of those than you'd be if you were using the cable that shipped in the box. Any issues would be with the charger or the laptop, and both would be covered by Apple.

A short circuit is a short circuit regardless if it's in the cable or the charger and how many times do I have to tell you that Apple's warranty doesn't cover third party accessories. This is a general rule with warranties, they only cover the item which warranty is actually for, whatever came bundled with it and nothing more.

A short circuit in the charger is actually preferable to a short circuit in the cable as the worst it can do is push a high charge on wires that are supposed to carry up to a 5A charge to begin with. In the cable on the other hand a short circuit can lead to 5A being lead onto data wires, which normally only carry a few milliamps and I don't think the potential damage escapes you there.

All MFi does is reassure you that the cable isn't going to melt. Again, I'd be stunned if one of these things managed to do any damage to a laptop aside from possibly breaking the little tab inside the USB-C port. But any USB-C cable could potentially do that, meaning you'd have as good a chance getting Apple to fix that as you would if it was their cable that did it.

Melting is hardly the only way to cause a short circuit. Manufacturing and design defects are usually what causes short circuits on consumer devices and Apple most certainly isn't immune to this. The original T-shaped magsafe connectors had a pretty bad reputation due to a design defect that lead to the insulating plastic next to the computer end cracking and eventually completely falling off.

Seriously, no damage caused by third party accessories, specially ones bought from another store, will be covered by Apple's warranty. The only way I can see damage from third party accessories getting it covered by Apple's warranty is by lying that is was an Apple-supplied accessory that did that, but that's a can of worms I'd rather leave unopened.

And in the mean time, you'd have mag-safe functionality to help prevent that from happening.

Magsafe only protects you from damage caused by accidentally pulling the machine by the charger lead. It doesn't have any built in fuses like British power adapters.

 

[bigjnyc]

I think if this is going to happen, then the best buy's and the other authorized retailers should have some memorial day sales on current laptops in order to clear inventory. We should be finding out in the next 2 days

 

[GeneralChang]

A short circuit is a short circuit regardless if it's in the cable or the charger and how many times do I have to tell you that Apple's warranty doesn't cover third party accessories. This is a general rule with warranties, they only cover the item which warranty is actually for, whatever came bundled with it and nothing more.

A short circuit in the charger is actually preferable to a short circuit in the cable as the worst it can do is push a high charge on wires that are supposed to carry up to a 5A charge to begin with. In the cable on the other hand a short circuit can lead to 5A being lead onto data wires, which normally only carry a few milliamps and I don't think the potential damage escapes you there.



Melting is hardly the only way to cause a short circuit. Manufacturing and design defects are usually what causes short circuits on consumer devices and Apple most certainly isn't immune to this. The original T-shaped magsafe connectors had a pretty bad reputation due to a design defect that lead to the insulating plastic next to the computer end cracking and eventually completely falling off.

Seriously, no damage caused by third party accessories, specially ones bought from another store, will be covered by Apple's warranty. The only way I can see damage from third party accessories getting it covered by Apple's warranty is by lying that is was an Apple-supplied accessory that did that, but that's a can of worms I'd rather leave unopened.



Magsafe only protects you from damage caused by accidentally pulling the machine by the charger lead. It doesn't have any built in fuses like British power adapters.

So in short, you don't trust third party manufacturers to have any quality control and thus only ever charge using OEM cables. You also evidently have no trust in companies like Apple to include safeguards against electrical damage on the ports and chargers used for powering their premium electronic devices. You also have no trust that any involved party would be willing to own a potential disaster and try to make things right by you in the very off chance that something did go wrong.

M'kay. Have fun with that world-view.

 

[Crashing Bore]

Apple just dropped the price of refurb'ed 15" MBPs by $300-$400, if that tells us anything...

EDIT: $200-$300. I've been tracking these for the past 2 months and the price decrease happened yesterday.

 

[instech360]

Apple just dropped the price of refurb'ed 15" MBPs by $300-$400, if that tells us anything...

EDIT: $200-$300. I've been tracking these for the past 2 months and the price decrease happened yesterday.

Oh yeah! Glad I just returned my 2015 15" to BestBuy

 

[lakerchick4life]

I think if this is going to happen, then the best buy's and the other authorized retailers should have some memorial day sales on current laptops in order to clear inventory. We should be finding out in the next 2 days

I would love to get a Macbook Pro(13 inch either touch bar cause it looks neat or the one without it) so am hoping that these go on sale real soon..it would be my very first macbook was going to wait til Black Friday but if an amazing deal comes along will get it

 

[jasjb]

I really, really hope this line does not mean no Keyboard update or extra USB-C port.

"According to Bloomberg [...] it will not feature design changes."


Updating the keyboard and giving it an extra USB would make it a decent computer for the first time (in my eyes).

I can only assume the ONLY reason for the one USB port originally was to make sure the MacBook Pros were given the best possible start. IE: deliberately making this macbook a little less useful to the Pro user.

 

[bigjnyc]

I really, really hope this line does not mean no Keyboard update or extra USB-C port.

"According to Bloomberg [...] it will not feature design changes."


Updating the keyboard and giving it an extra USB would make it a decent computer for the first time (in my eyes).

I can only assume the ONLY reason for the one USB port originally was to make sure the MacBook Pros were given the best possible start. IE: deliberately making this macbook a little less useful to the Pro user.

I don't think either of these require or constitute a design change. That being said though I'm not holding my breath on a second USB-c port. Apple still wants to distinguish between this and the non-touchbar MBP

 

[SarcasticJoe]

So in short, you don't trust third party manufacturers to have any quality control and thus only ever charge using OEM cables. You also evidently have no trust in companies like Apple to include safeguards against electrical damage on the ports and chargers used for powering their premium electronic devices. You also have no trust that any involved party would be willing to own a potential disaster and try to make things right by you in the very off chance that something did go wrong.

There's a difference between not trusting third party companies altogether and not trusting them enough to void your warranty when it's still in effect. A pure data cable isn't going to be able to do all that much, if any, damage if it fails, but a power cable can easily wreck your machine and apart from industrial equipment you're not going to have protections that protect a device from 5A at 20V being pushed over a data wire.

Once the warranty and consumer law mandated free repair period is over it doesn't make that much of difference, but until then I'm not going to trust third parties with things that can wreck the whole machine when they fail if they deny me an otherwise free repair or replacement.

M'kay. Have fun with that world-view.

You too.

 

[Gasu E.]

Sales of the MacBook Air "remain surprisingly strong" due to its affordability.

That, and the fact that it has more than one port.

 

[nick42983]

wouldn't that just be the MacBook

Not quite, the Air has USB ports and both it and the Pro have a 13" screen. The new Pro is just 3lbs. (vs. 2lbs. for the MacBook) and just an inch wider and about a half inch deeper (and upgradeable to 16gb RAM while the Macbook only has 8gb). I was glad to see the price cut for the Pro, but then I saw that it was for a 128GB model and the 256GB costs $1499 (upgrade the RAM and processor and its $1999 before tax). Looks like we'll have to wait another 6-12 months for a more attractive price point unless you go the refurb route.