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Thank you, pmz. I appreciate your opinion, but I do not believe I am wrong, I just apparently have different requirements than you. That doesn't make me, or those like me wrong for having specific needs. I walk into a room, sit a table a few feet from and HDTV, and have a very brief period of time. Quickly plugging my device into their TV is something they understand and appreciate, carrying in and hooking up something like an apple tv box is likely going to get to quickly me off on the wrong foot. I am not saying it right, but I am saying with absolutely certainty that it is true.

Not only that, instead of carrying JUST an hdmi cable, you get to carry the hdmi cable AND the apple tv and the power cord. And I own an apple tv (1 and 2).
 
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As a filmmaker the ability to check footage on the go on a high resolution portable display is a necessity, however the only way to do this is to have an hdmi out on the ipad. The least they can do is add their mini displayport technology on it.

Another great solution, in the event apple doesn't have an hdmi out in ipad 2, I will go buy a Notion Ink Adam. They currently have the best tablet in the market.

How do you sync your high resolution footage on the go with the iPad (or any other tablet)? Do you use the iPad/Tablet for editing on the go? How much (or little) high resolution footage can you fit on the iPad/Tablet?

I wouldn't need to sync the footage, i'd just like to review it. With the Adam, I know I can review it with the HDMI port and I can also transfer the footage directly to the tablet via something as simple as USB. The footage can be as little as 100 mb, to as much as about 4 gigs. All shot in 1080p raw footage.
 
Not only that, instead of carrying JUST an hdmi cable, you get to carry the hdmi cable AND the apple tv and the power cord. And I own an apple tv (1 and 2).

Thank you, bergmef... you know exactly what I am talking about. I think AppleTV and the way it works with an iPad is great, but it's not a practical solution for the way many use the iPad in a working environment. Again, I'm not saying it's for everyone, I am just pointing out there there are in fact very practical reasons why mainstream folks like myself would want an HDMI out.
 
iPhones, iPads, iPhones, iPhones, iPads…

What happened to OS X and Mac desktops? Oh, Apple released the Mac App Store, based on the, um, iOS App Store.

…I love that this article is using the same picture as an article about the possible next iPad just a few articles down...

I'm sure they are on the way.
Don't judge what apple is doing based on rumor volume.
 
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rhuber said:
pmz said:
@rhuber

You're simply wrong. The Apple TV is where your hdmi connection lies, and iPhone iPad iPod are your REMOTES. It would not be in any way better to have the iPad physically tethered to anything.

Thank you, pmz. I appreciate your opinion, but I do not believe I am wrong, I just apparently have different requirements than you. That doesn't make me, or those like me wrong for having specific needs. I walk into a room, sit a table a few feet from and HDTV, and have a very brief period of time. Quickly plugging my device into their TV is something they understand and appreciate, carrying in and hooking up something like an apple tv box is likely going to quickly get to me off on the wrong foot. I am not saying it's right, but I am saying with absolutely certainty that it is true.

Now you're talking about living rooms, before it was business presentations.

Way too many holes in your argument. If the house you're in doesn't have an AppleTv, or any other device with AirPlay standard ( thinking future ), then you have the VGA to 30 pin to get you by. If whatever you're showing isn't long enough / worth the 2 minutes to setup Atv, then is it really necessary for Apple to undermine their newest futuristic tech, and redesign the entire iPad, to accommodate your desire for HDMI output? ( reminding you again that there is close to HD via VGA. )

If you really want to be tethered, then it's already possible.
 
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Good time to buy in then?
 
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Now you're talking about living rooms, before it was business presentations.

Way too many holes in your argument. If the house you're in doesn't have an AppleTv, or any other device with AirPlay standard ( thinking future ), then you have the VGA to 30 pin to get you by. If whatever you're showing isn't long enough / worth the 2 minutes to setup Atv, then is it really necessary for Apple to undermine their newest futuristic tech, and redesign the entire iPad, to accommodate your desire for HDMI output? ( reminding you again that there is close to HD via VGA. )

If you really want to be tethered, then it's already possible.

I'm talking about normal office conference rooms. Again, I am not attempting an "argument", I am simply stating what is useful to me and the 60 or so people I work with. It's great if you have a different perspective, but why you would want to turn it into a a peeing contest is a little bizarre and certainly uncalled for. I thought I was pretty clear. I, and those I see in my situation would greatly benefit from an HDMI out, and I think outline pretty well why that is. If you don't get that, then let's move on. It's not for you... I get that and can appreciate it, but our needs are clearly not yours.
 
Buy an Apple TV.

Am I then supposed to take Apple TV on the road when I want to plug my iPad into my parents/in-laws/friend's/hotel's TV?

Some of you people really need to start thinking out-of-your-house, especially when we talk about portable devices. It's not meant to be a remote, it's supposed to be taken OUT!
 
Am I then supposed to take Apple TV on the road when I want to plug my iPad into my parents/in-laws/friend's/hotel's TV?

Some of you people really need to start thinking out-of-your-house, especially when we talk about portable devices. It's not meant to be a remote, it's supposed to be taken OUT!

Read the original scenario. pmz’s comment made absolute sense there.

Sure, it would be nice to have an option for HDMI, but there are current options with the VGA and component via the 30-pin Dock Connector. An HDMI port directly on the iPad is simply foolish to expect.
 
2560x1920 :eek:

there is no way in hell that there is anything that can drive that!

Huh? I guess my 27" iMac is impossible then, and only a product of my dreams :confused:
It has a 2560X1440 display, not quiet 2560X1920, but it's pretty close I think.
 
I'm talking about normal office conference rooms. Again, I am not attempting an "argument", I am simply stating what is useful to me and the 60 or so people I work with. It's great if you have a different perspective, but why you would want to turn it into a a peeing contest is a little bizarre and certainly uncalled for. I thought I was pretty clear. I, and those I see in my situation would greatly benefit from an HDMI out, and I think outline pretty well why that is. If you don't get that, then let's move on. It's not for you... I get that and can appreciate it, but our needs are clearly not yours.

AT work all the DLP projectors are older models that only have VGA input. Every HDTV that I have seen also has VGA input.

It would be nice to have both VGA/HDMI, but if you are only going to have one, most are better off with VGA.

But no doubt, eventually it will include HDMI.
 
AT work all the DLP projectors are older models that only have VGA input. Every HDTV that I have seen also has VGA input.

It would be nice to have both VGA/HDMI, but if you are only going to have one, most are better off with VGA.

But no doubt, eventually it will include HDMI.

Thank you Bytor65. I appreciate the pleasant response. We've experimented with VGA too, but are still using the HDMI of pc's. I'm sure we'll see HDMI (or something better) before long too. Was hoping it would be in the next version, but it's not like they are going to run out and buy us new iPads anyway. ;)
 
especially seeing what a bad job they did with the 2x resolution increase from iPhone apps on the iPad - still don't get how they could screw that up such big times - even apps that use text controls look horrible.

They need to get over that. If it doesn't need to be an integer multiple,
then 1920x1440 would be great, since it would allow 1080p to fit
without scaling.
 
Huh? I guess my 27" iMac is impossible then, and only a product of my dreams :confused:
It has a 2560X1440 display, not quiet 2560X1920, but it's pretty close I think.

You really don’t see the difference between a discrete desktop GPU with a continuous power source and a integrated GPU for a handheld device that runs off a battery?
 
Apple is not stupid, and other tablets are not offering higher res screens anyway so why would they feel the need to do so now?
Several upcoming Android tablets will have 10" 1280x800 screens.


You really don’t see the difference between a discrete desktop GPU with a continuous power source and a integrated GPU for a handheld device that runs off a battery?
To repeat my earlier comment:
I wish people would stop talking about the "horsepower" it takes to "drive" the pixels as if drawing a simple GUI, scaling and scrolling were highly demanding tasks. They're not, at least not for a well integrated system that makes good use of a state-of-the-art embedded GPU.

The demanding stuff is mostly games, and games don't have to render at the native resolution to look good. Infinity Blade doesn't use the native resolution of the iPad, either.
 
People use the term often in regards to the iPad and rarely define it. When they do define it they usually means a doubling of the resolution, IOW 4x as many pixels.

This is silly and still does not give it the same PPI as the iPhone 4 since it’s starting from a much lower PPI than the previous iPhones. It also fails to explain which Imagination Technology GPU would be used to render 3,145,728 pixels that won’t kill the battery or make game play impossible. Note the current iPad pushes 786,432 pixels with a PowerVR SGX 535 and the iPhone 4 with the “Retina Display” pushes less than at only 614,400 pixels with the same GPU.

Going 5x as many pixels as the iPhone 4 doesn’t seem feasible to me yet this is what is often referred to when people say "Retina Display" and don’t think they need to define it. Believe me, this marketing term needs to be defined.

Keep in mind that Apple has access that is slightly in the future as far as we're concerned.

We speculate based on what is known at the consumer level about what is possible. With maybe some information about technology that is about to come out.

Corporations like Apple are privy to technology that consumers may not see for years. Because of that it is harder for consumers to accurately guess at what technology is ready for Apple to implement for the iPad 2.

Apple may very well have found a way to deliver retina display resolution to the iPad.

Apple is currently working on developing liquid metal in new battery technology, who knows what will come of that. The point being, there is stuff Apple is working on that we aren't privy to.

Speculation at the consumer level, without any special insight, is just speculation.

If I knew what technologies Apple is playing with I could probably tell you exactly where they are going.
 
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To repeat my earlier comment:

You completely miss the point and fall into the DOA category of many CE maker. Being able to technically do something doesn’t make it a good experience. If the game play is hurt because your mobile IGP can’t adequate push that many pixels at a decent framerate your product fails. If your battery is time is severally reduced because this increased effort by the GPU then your product fails.

Case in point, the current iPhone/iPad HW will play 1080p content, but it’s jiggery and lose frames with any decent profile. So guess what? It’s not enabled so geeks will have figure out how to add it themselves before they jackoff to their device’s a spec list.
 
Am I then supposed to take Apple TV on the road when I want to plug my iPad into my parents/in-laws/friend's/hotel's TV?

Some of you people really need to start thinking out-of-your-house, especially when we talk about portable devices. It's not meant to be a remote, it's supposed to be taken OUT!

I'm with you 100%. Without HDMI and USB ports, the iPad is and will always be a larger iPod touch. Having to always sync it to another computer and having it rely solely on itunes limits this 'tablet' tremendously. Let's face it, if the iPad was made by Motorola, Sony, MICROSOFT,HP, or pretty much any other company we'd be making fun of it, BUT it's made by Apple. iPad version 1, was a test product, it was obsolete when they sold it back in March. Apple just wanted to run the niche (At the time) tablet market. Now they are the market leaders, simply because they had no competition.

If Apple wants to stay number 1 in the tablet market, then they best do alot better than slim down the tablet and increase the resolution.

I'd like to see:

A Pixel Qi screen, so I can read when I'm outside

HDMI port, if it even has 1080p

USB Port(s), come on its 2011 get with the program


I know we all love apple products, but we have to realize when they are treating us like beta testers. iPad v1 was a beta, they tested the market and people responded well. If iPad v2 is obsolete, just like v1 was when it entered the market then APPLE as a company is being disloyal to it's most loyal followers.
 
I'm with you 100%. Without HDMI and USB ports, the iPad is and will always be a larger iPod touch. Having to always sync it to another computer and having it rely solely on itunes limits this 'tablet' tremendously. Let's face it, if the iPad was made by Motorola, Sony, MICROSOFT,HP, or pretty much any other company we'd be making fun of it, BUT it's made by Apple. iPad version 1, was a test product, it was obsolete when they sold it back in March. Apple just wanted to run the niche (At the time) tablet market. Now they are the market leaders, simply because they had no competition.

If Apple wants to stay number 1 in the tablet market, then they best do alot better than slim down the tablet and increase the resolution.

I'd like to see:

A Pixel Qi screen, so I can read when I'm outside

HDMI port, if it even has 1080p

USB Port(s), come on its 2011 get with the program


I know we all love apple products, but we have to realize when they are treating us like beta testers. iPad v1 was a beta, they tested the market and people responded well. If iPad v2 is obsolete, just like v1 was when it entered the market then APPLE as a company is being disloyal to it's most loyal followers.

What kind of stuff are you smoking ??? :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
And a battery life of how many minutes?

1280x800 isn’t too far off from the iPad’s 1024x768 and most seem to have state 6 to 10 hours of video playback. 1,024,000 pixels v. 786,432 pixels, especially with the newer HW.

I think Apple could do 1280x960 (SXGA) which is 1,228,800 pixels (165 ppi) or 1400×1050 (SXGA) which is 1,470,000 pixels (180 ppi).

The problem comes when people start foolishly expecting 4x jump like the iPhone did or 326 ppi. That’s just not feasible for these machines and won’t be for several years.
 
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