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Apple to Be Fined Over $500 Million in EU Music Streaming Probe

Pezimak said:
Market dominance no, Apple doesn't have that, but unfair biased control of the market on its platforms absolutely yes, for me that's where the fine is valid.
To not even allow links in someone's app to a cheaper price is anticompetitive at the end of the day.
Apples platforms are successful due to that third party support as much as first party.
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So, Spotify allows links, on their platform, to anyone else's music subscription service? Or you think only Apple should be required to do this?
 
I7guy said:
The rules to be a us president are in the constitution. There is no going to court if you do t like the rules. This fine will wind its way up through court.
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Who cares where the rules are or what they're called, they govern that geographical area.
 
What is so irritating is the fact that Spotify being HQ'ed in Sweden is a "favorite son" of the EU. They are fighting the big bad Yankee company, Apple. The EU hates Apple for so many reasons. Mostly to do with money they think Apple is not paying enough into the blackhole that is their finances.
 
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MilaM said:
But you still think it's ok for Apple to destroy Spotify, because they created the iPhone.
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Destroy Spotify? :) Again, the gall to characterize it this way is breathtaking. Spotify is the market leader. Apple provides Spotify with incredible resources that Spotify doesn't have to pay for. Apple basically subsidizes Spotify's business, and you've concluded that Apple is "destroying" Spotify. It's an amazing twist of reality.
 
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senttoschool said:
The only reason EU does is this because Apple is a foreign corporation. EU does not go after their own monopolies like this such as Luxottica or LVMH.
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The EU also won't do anything against the monopoly of ASML. They simply mad that Nokia got destroyed by Apple.

I read somewhere about an European country that believes the growth of their economy is based on Tech. So, by nerfing US tech, this fits right into the picture.
 
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azentropy said:
Cool. Let us fine Walmart for not allowing manufactures to advertise in their stores that you can get products elsewhere for cheaper! /s
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The big difference is you have no choice as the App Store is the only gig in town.
Where as in the real world you have a choice where to go & what savings you make
 
Timo_Existencia said:
Are you talking about Spotify? Because so far as I'm aware, Spotify has never advertised any one's services but their own. Are you suggesting that Spotify should tell their customers if another streaming service has lower prices?
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No, that they should be allowed to list lower price availability in their own app. This is something Apple said they could not do. The whole point of capitalism is allowing competition to lower prices.
 
Hails09 said:
The big difference is you have no choice as the App Store is the only gig in town.
Where as in the real world you have a choice where to go & what savings you make
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Damn, I guess Linux, Windows, Mac, ChromeOS and Android users must be doing some voodoo magic being able to listen to Spotify according to you?
 
Timo_Existencia said:
Does Spotify allow Apple to even be on their platform? No. Spotify doesn't advertise anyone else's streaming service, at all. Apple provides a whole platform and customer base to Spotify. Trying to argue that Apple is harming Spotify by providing Spotify with so much, while not recognizing that you're not requiring the same of Spotify, shows me a blindness in your analysis.
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And Apples success is also due to the millions of third party apps on that platform which it cannot just be allowed to run rough over, let's not forget who makes the most money from the platform. Your analysis is the blind one, defending one corporation over another and totally being ignorant of the end user who is paying them the money in the first place.

If the third party devs all left Apples platform tomorrow it would die instantly and lose any value. Apples handful of apps don't make up for the millions of third party apps.
 
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Timo_Existencia said:
Apple basically subsidizes Spotify's business, and you've concluded that Apple is "destroying" Spotify. It's an amazing twist of reality.
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So you don't think Apple has the power to cripple Spotify's business by kicking them out of the App Store, like they did with EPIC?
 
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Pezimak said:
And Apples success is also due to the millions of third party apps on that platform which is cannot be allowed to run over, let's not forget who makes the most money from the platform. Your analysis is the blind one, defending one corporation over another and totally being ignorant of the end user who is paying them the money in the first place.
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Ummm...as you've just said, Apple provides free hosting and downloads, use of IP, and access to a very lucrative customer base, for free, for millions of apps, businesses and developers. That you've somehow concluded that this is anti-competitive for those businesses is stunning.
 
I have been "unfriended" by Europeans on social media when they find out I have Apple Music, I have had it installed since 8 June 2015, the day and hour is was first released. I find it funny to be unfriended by people I neither know or care about. But especially in Sweden it is like you are somehow a member of an American version of the Japanese Yakuza. I am used the derision from some Android people but the EU's animosity is beyond personal.
 
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MilaM said:
So you don't think Apple has the power to cripple Spotify's business by kicking them out of the App Store, like they did with EPIC?
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EPIC specifically violated the TOS. If Spotify does that, Apple would be justified. Look Spotify WANTS something from Apple, because Apple provides value to Spotify. But Spotify doesn't want to pay for it.

If I were Apple, I'd prefer not to let EPIC back in. But Apple IS allowing EPIC back in, despite the very bad-faith way that EPIC has treated Apple.

You keep twisting who is doing what to whom.
 
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I own 13 Airbnbs. I pay Airbnb for the service they provide to me. I can build a website to sell directly to my customers.

Are you all suggesting that Airbnb should allow me to provide a link, on their platform, to sell directly to renters?

What sense does that make?

*and btw, I'm happy to pay the fees to Airbnb, recognizing the incredible value they've brought to me.
 
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Pezimak said:
And Apples success is also due to the millions of third party apps on that platform which it cannot just be allowed to run rough over, let's not forget who makes the most money from the platform. Your analysis is the blind one, defending one corporation over another and totally being ignorant of the end user who is paying them the money in the first place.

If the third party devs all left Apples platform tomorrow it would die instantly and lose any value. Apples handful of apps don't make up for the millions of third party apps.
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Exactly! Devs cannot leave when they want? Or are the forced to stay in apple shop?
 
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