Do they pay on MacOS, Windows, Linux?
I'm sure Spotify would gladly do their own hosting for their apps. I'm sure they are technically capable of doing so.
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Apple to Be Fined Over $500 Million in EU Music Streaming Probe
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I'm sure Spotify would gladly do their own hosting for their apps. I'm sure they are technically capable of doing so.
What is in place to force Walmart to carry Norton or General Mills cereal? Simple, there isn't. Walmart can pick and choose and sets the rules for what products to carry. Why shouldn't Apple be able to do the same?
He/she has Apple Music? Tell me more about it ... 😂.Of course you have
As if anyone give a f.. how you get your music
Spotify supposedly doesn't pay the correct compensation to artists already. If the 30% to Apple goes away, I doubt that Spotify will suddenly do the right thing for artists.
Why thank you, I'm not often described as fiery.
This is why Apple is able to nicely skirt a lot of arguments. Of the total share of streaming service users, yeah you're probably right about that.
But if you consider the market to be iOS devices, they do things that go far beyond the necessary to protect their platform or even business model, like the anti-steering rule.
Yes, their platform, don't like it get out, etc. I get it. Doesn't mean they couldn't act better on their own.
Yeah. This is something that is constantly repeated on apple forums. After doing some research, I'm not convinced you can objectively say that. Both Apple, Spotify, and the big publishers are very tight lipped about concrete business arrangement.
Anti-steering is more like Target saying you have to make a special box just for Target stores that does not have your website on it or any information about where to get your other products.
Desktop platforms were born in a different era of computing. And Microsoft is actively trying to shift its customers to cloud-based computing. I suspect Apple will go there too, eventually. And once they do, there will be no free use of the platforms. That was a business model that many struggled to make money on. And it's going away.
"But this other business does things differently!" isn't an argument about how business MUST operate.
The salient question here is who gets to decide how a business chooses to monetize their business? The business itself or government agencies? Apple exists in a highly competitive market. I trust Apple, and they've never let me down. As I stated earlier, I get incredible benefit from Apple.
If you don't, you have options.
Apple could act better. They should leave the subscription cost alone. They don't need a cut out of something they don't provide or host.
Apple should get a cut of the app business, just like any retail store would get a cut for presenting and providing sales. When they first opened the store, 30% made sense. Now, it makes less sense. They're making enough money that they could drop their commission to 15%, especially since they aren't checking apps as well as they should.
Spotify only became popular because they stole music they didn't have the rights to stream. Since they have never been profitable**, they are popular, but not successful.
** https://www.fool.com/investing/2023/08/02/will-spotify-ever-turn-a-profit/
Apple cares, I’m sure. Others who don’t like these fines and/or regulations might care.
Pfffftt.
IKEA - 170k employees
Siemens - 300k employees
Bosch - 422k employees
VW Group - 671k employees
and the list goes on.
There are a lot of huge companies in the EU. And, US might have a lot more consumer products, but there are a lot of huge companies in the EU that make these products possible, like Ericsson/Nokia with all their essential standard patents in wireless communication.
Nothing is cheaper at Safeway.
Grocery Outlet often has "$1.99, $5.99 elsewhere" but that's different.
Most stores have people to check prices and change them to match but price matching happens quite a lot at the cash register.
I remember when they denied Spotify many, many years to bring out a WatchOS Offline App. So you're telling me they're doing it "to protect their customers". Same as using Spotify or any other Music App on their HomePods. So please don't be ridiculous. I won't forbid anyone to use Apple Music. Who wants to use is, is free. But I also want to be free whatever Music App I want to use. And spoiler: I use Apple Music, but still. That "I know what my customers want. And they have to use their devices my way" just s*cks.
Exactly. There's a big difference between what they're allowed to do, what they can get away with, and what is going to have the best end results for them.
Whether or not it's right or legal or anything else, their current business model is causing a lot of friction. If they really think the right answer is to dig their heels in and not give an inch, as it seems they do, well we'll see how that turns out for them.
Well we know about VW. Maybe the US should call Siemens and Bosch gatekeepers and regulate their patents in an unfriendly manner to those companies.
Yeah I’m sure there are a death of articles proving everybody’s position or opinion.
Why It’s Misleading to Say ‘Apple Music Pays Twice as Much Per Stream as Spotify’
Headlines stating that "Apple Music Pays Twice as Much Per Stream as Spotify" are deeply misleading: Here are a few reasons why.variety.com
One of many articles. You can find more if you really wanted to.
It's actually NOT causing a lot of friction. Customer satisfaction with Apple has always been and remains extremely high.
It's only in very narrow channels that there is dissatisfaction with Apple.
This exactly. I know they now allow YouTube Music and only YouTube Music (which I also use) but I don't understand why Spotify Connect doesn't work with HomePods and whose fault that is.
No, its like having a sign on a product in Target telling the customer that they can get the same product cheaper by going to the manufacturers own store.
Yeah, the developer channel. A very, very important channel. That's what I'm talking about. And that doesn't show up on the front end right away, but if developers start to revolt, you will see the customer facing side have consequences as well.
And customers are still not thrilled about not being able to use what music services they choose without those services being treated like second class citizens.
None of this was a problem until Apple decided Services is going to be their growth area. As a customer my biggest area of dissatisfaction with them right now is the way they treat the TV app and the Music app. That and the fact that they are absolutely in love with the subscription model of the App Store and therefore refuse to support things like upgrade pricing. They hear what they want to hear, what aligns to their business interests.
They don't act like the best user experience is the most important thing anymore. That's the bottom line. Their incentives are misaligned. I complain because I care. They're so close, and they used to be even closer. Still a hell of a lot less annoying than Windows. I just want to see them go the right direction, not the user hostile direction.