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The post you're referring to made statements that went much farther than saying "both countries have done a lot of damage." Those that are familiar with Israel and have lived there are well aware of how seriously Israeli take human rights, and how insulted they feel when people like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or Bashar Assad, both gross violators of human rights, claim that Israel is purposely destroying innocent lives.

Every single human rights group on the planet disagrees with you. But hey, if you say so. Glad you think they take it 'seriously'. Keep taking Israeli statements at face value, and don't bother doing any real, objective research. That would be too scary and uncomfortable.

This isn't the place to debate this. But I find it difficult to let grotesquely ignorant and false assertions go. I'm out.
 
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I understand the motivation behind keeping politics out of this discussion, especially given the rather large population of the anti-israel crowd that exists in the democrat party, which this site is largely made up of, but I really think that Israeli politics in any form aught to be relevant to anything happening in Israel, including Apple opening up shop there. Just a thought.

Every single human rights group on the planet disagrees with you. But hey, if you say so. Glad you think they take it 'seriously'. Keep taking Israeli statements at face value, and don't bother doing any real, objective research. That would be too scary and uncomfortable.

This isn't the place to debate this. But I find it difficult to let grotesquely ignorant and false assertions go. I'm out.

Here's an example of someone who thinks his misinformation is fact, a rather common occurrence here. I definitely understand the motivation to want to censor politics.
 
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Those who are familiar with Palestinian people in refuge camps and Gazaa can argue otherwise re: human rights, so we can go into circular arguments forever, no one wins.

Look, let's just agree to disagree, we are not going to solve a 70 year old conflict on MacRumors.

Do you know how they ended up in Gaza?
 
You only have to read the comments above or watch the news to realise that this is such a bad idea. I hope Apple thinks twice about any such investment and decides not to go ahead.
 
I understand the motivation behind keeping politics out of this discussion, especially given the rather large population of the anti-israel crowd that exists in the democrat party, which this site is largely made up of, but I really think that Israeli politics in any form aught to be relevant to anything happening in Israel, including Apple opening up shop there. Just a thought.

Speaking from experience, the problem is that the discussion often ends up being 100% political bickering. PRSI is already full of that. Like I said in my earlier post, I think it's okay to discuss topics that are a bit political as long as Apple remains as the main topic. It's gets off-topic when people start to judge Israeli politics and political views collide.

As a side note, political discussion isn't allowed anywhere else besides PRSI, so this isn't any special case.
 
Speaking from experience, the problem is that the discussion often ends up being 100% political bickering. PRSI is already full of that. Like I said in my earlier post, I think it's okay to discuss topics that are a bit political as long as Apple remains as the main topic. It's gets off-topic when people start to judge Israeli politics and political views collide.

As a side note, political discussion isn't allowed anywhere else besides PRSI, so this isn't any special case.

Except for Apple-related news of a political nature; That's what gets me.
 
I feel more unsafe in parts of NYC than I ever did anywhere in Israel.

That's absurd. Out of 74 cities with populations of greater than 250,000 NYC was #48 in violent crime in 2010, one third of what it was in 1990. Car theft is one-tenth of what it was in 1990, making it the 2nd lowest rate (only Fort Wayne, Indiana has a lower rate). For property crime, it has the lowest rate of any large city (2 cities didn't report: Tucson and Toledo). For burglarly, it had the lowest rate of all 74 cities. Although the crime rate has been reported to have increased somewhat in 2011, overall, serious crime is back to where it was over 40 years ago.
 
You only have to read the comments above or watch the news to realise that this is such a bad idea. I hope Apple thinks twice about any such investment and decides not to go ahead.

You'd be a fool if you looked at news stories to judge the safety of any location; They generally only report the bad news, however, in this particular case there is virtually no news of anything bad happening in the area Apple is planning on opening up shop, plus, now that there's a wall in place to protect Israel, the attacks have gone down significantly, so the country in general is no longer as dangerous as it once was. There is the risk of Iran launching a nuke at Israel though; That does concern me.
 
As an Apple fan I would be very disappointed if they went ahead with such an investment. It would generate a lot of bad publicity, make them a target for fanatics and almost certainly lead to protests and possibly lower sales as a result. By all means buy up the technology and ship it back to the US.
 
And here I was thinking the name Yonah was derived from the Mount Yonah located in north Georgia, USA.
It might, but Wikipedia seems to agree with me and there are A LOT of Intel codenames with ties to Israel (and often to the products developed in Israel):
Golan was a WiFi component in the Napa chipset and is of course a reference to the Golan Heights.
Dothan is a site on the Golan Heights and the predecessor to Yonah.
Banias is town in Israel and a predecessor to Dothan.
Odem is a memory controller for Pentium M, also a site on the Golan Heights.
Carmel is a mountain outside Haifa and the codename for the first Centrino chipset.
Gilo an defunct mobile version on the Nehalem architecture, and a mountain near Jerusalem.
Nehalem, or as an Israeli would type it, Nehalim, is a settlement in central Israel.
Dimona, a Itanium variant and an Israeli city
Tabor, Tekoa, Kinnereth, Ekron, Ophir, Kedron, Nineveh: ethernet controllers and sites in Israel or in the nearby region.
Gesher, the hebrew name for "bridge". Renamed "Sandy Bridge" since Gesher is an Israeli political party.
Shiloh is a WiFi controller and a site on the West Bank.
Ephraim, a SATA2-SSD, and a biblical name
Hillel, the CPU in Arrandale chipset, and a common name in the Talmud
Timna, a Coppermine based SoC and a town in Israel with the oldest coppermine in the world
…and so forth. There are probably a lot more code names at Intel that stems from Israeli geography. It's curious that almost all code names the past decade are of North American _or_ Israeli origin. How about that.
 
As an Israeli who is working for a silicon company near Intel (where Apple is planning to build their new R&D center), I may shed some light on why silicon and Israel go so well together.

It's all about the culture. Israel is a very result oriented culture.

Here it's all about the result, not the way you do it, not if you do it right or wrong. If I want you to get me from point A to point B, I don't care how you do it I just want that point B.

Now, this all, like everything in Israel is rooted from the Army. Israel is army based culture. By law, you are drafted to the Army at the age of 18 to serve for 3 years. Everybody is obligated to do it, boy or girl.

This means that almost every israeli is shaped, trained and absorbs the Army culture. The end result is a culture that has Army way of doing things.

The Israeli army, as you might have guessed it already, is a result based organization. It is given a command to execute and it does not matter how the task was accomplished as long as the result was accomplished. This sometimes forces you to thing of creative ways to get that result.

Now, when all of those commanders and soldiers go out of the army, they get some education and start startups or join existent companies. And guess how they run those companies, that's right, they run it the only way they know how to run things. The way they were taught to run things in the army.

So now you have a result oriented company, where you set a goal and the goal it reached with the way not considered important. You are expected to do everything you can think of to get that goal, even if it is a totally crazy idea no one attempted yet.

This is where it gets back to silicone.

With silicone, the way is not as important as the result. It's a black box, you give it an input and expect a preknown output. What it does inside, you don't care. This is where we shine, we know how to make things work and we know how to do it fast. But the way we do it is not the most elegant way, we find the most "innovative" or "crazy" ways to get to point B. We want that point B and that is all that is matter.

Taking the company where I work as an example, somethings we set goals we can't accomplish. Somehow we always find a crazy way to do it in time. It's not the best way to do it, but we get that result and it works.

And guess what, we type out and we sell well. And with silicone, after a year the product gets old and thrown away to be replaced with a new product which had its goal set even higher.

This is the point with silicone, it is a result based product. There is no user experience or behavior. It's all about the result.

Hope you found this interesting :)
 
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It makes sense, our tax dollars already go there, why not our jobs too.

Your tax dollars are not going anywhere!

The US government gives Israel dollars to spend only within the US.

The budget can be used only within the US and all of Israel spending of the US dollars are spent in the US (and being transferred with ships to Israel).

This actually means that you have more jobs.
 
Would China, that paragon of civil rights and free speech, be acceptable?

I don't agree with the Chinese government and how they suppress their people, but the middle east and Israel seem to always be in the spotlight of conflict and unstable governments. The Chinese government on the other hand is extreamly stable. I'm sure apple will choose the best location and they know what's best for the company. I do hope this deal works out because I imagine it as very beneficial technology to the iOS devices and the Mac.
 
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That's absurd. Out of 74 cities with populations of greater than 250,000 NYC was #48 in violent crime in 2010, one third of what it was in 1990. Car theft is one-tenth of what it was in 1990, making it the 2nd lowest rate (only Fort Wayne, Indiana has a lower rate). For property crime, it has the lowest rate of any large city (2 cities didn't report: Tucson and Toledo). For burglarly, it had the lowest rate of all 74 cities. Although the crime rate has been reported to have increased somewhat in 2011, overall, serious crime is back to where it was over 40 years ago.


Whats absurd is that your speaking on a subject you clearly know nothing about. Go to Israel, then talk. Israel is one of the safest places I have ever been to. I live in New York and witness more violence and crime here that I ever did in Israel. I have never felt even slightly unsafe in Israel, in fact I feel so totally safe in Israel that its almost shocking. You think Israel is what you see on TV? Thats like if someone in France saw footage of a ghetto in detroit and assumed thats what America is like. Please educate yourself.

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I have traveled to Israel and I can tell you first hand that Apple is making a very very wise decision, which shouldn't come as a shock to anybody. The fact that the world leading innovator is going to Israel is proof enough that Israel is an unbelievably talented and genius country. For those saying that is a war zone, I am sorry to say but you have ZERO clue what you are talking about. Israel is one of the most beautiful countries in the world. It is extremely safe and far from being a war zone. Calling it a war zone exposes our American ignorance. We sometimes think we know everything because we are American but really, if you haven't been there, you have no idea. I think this will be a very successful venture for Apple. Apple is actually kind of late to the game. Tons of companies, including tech companies, have seen the amazing talent and potential in Israel and have had a great pretense in Israel for a long time already. I am happy that Apple is going to Israel because all of us will benefit from the Israeli innovations that will be part of our great Apple products (our beloved Apple products already have tons of Israeli innovations in them, but thats another story)

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Because their buildings wear freaking body armor.

They went there because they can do business there easier. They can dump all the corrosive cancer causing chemicals down the toilet because regulation is probably non effing existent. Just the way corporations like it.
Has anyone seen the micro chip making process? Awesome and scary. Why scary? Because the chemicals used can give cancer to a rock!!

What are you talking about? Buildings with body armor? Dump chemicals down toilets? The environment in Israel is 100 times cleaner than here in the states. You dump chemicals in Israel and the Israeli Government will be on you faster than you can say "shalom"!

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Now that Apple is going to Israel, and there seems to be a lot of misinformation about Israel, lets educate ourselves a little bit.

Human Rights & Israel

Israel is one of the most humane countries in the world, and has by far the most humane army in the world. If you laugh at that statement you need to educate yourself.
 

I totally agreed with you. Now I may be a little biased, being of Jewish descent but I think we can all agree about how many remarkable things come out of a country smaller then the city of Toronto. I recently read on article about toy companies testing there stuff in Israel because the children are that much smarter.
I think it would mean a lot to the country if Apple did this and bought the Isreali flash company.

Now can people stop hating on Israel and blaming Jews for everything?


Great. Would have been better if it was built in the US, we could use jobs here but oh well. At least it's not being built in communist China.

-Mike

agreed. Better that these jobs are stayed in the developed world and not put overseas. (Well you know what I mean anyway)
 
Really, I have visited the Holy Land a few years ago, the news frontlines constantly rattle about how many bombings and people killed, which shopping center had an explosion. And armed snipers walking around is a norm. Where do you live that you call it safe :rolleyes:

There are places outside of Jerusalem my friend. Plus, walking into shopping malls knowing they are secured by armed guards, makes me feel VERY safe.
 
That's absurd. Out of 74 cities with populations of greater than 250,000 NYC was #48 in violent crime in 2010, one third of what it was in 1990. Car theft is one-tenth of what it was in 1990, making it the 2nd lowest rate (only Fort Wayne, Indiana has a lower rate). For property crime, it has the lowest rate of any large city (2 cities didn't report: Tucson and Toledo). For burglarly, it had the lowest rate of all 74 cities. Although the crime rate has been reported to have increased somewhat in 2011, overall, serious crime is back to where it was over 40 years ago.
Some people are just very cowardly and weak.

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Your tax dollars are not going anywhere!

The US government gives Israel dollars to spend only within the US.

The budget can be used only within the US and all of Israel spending of the US dollars are spent in the US (and being transferred with ships to Israel).

This actually means that you have more jobs.
Oh B.S we shouldn't be giving them anything let alone a free pass in the U.S.
 
Really, I have visited the Holy Land a few years ago, the news frontlines constantly rattle about how many bombings and people killed, which shopping center had an explosion. And armed snipers walking around is a norm. Where do you live that you call it safe :rolleyes:

Trust me, if there is an armed police office or soldier anywhere you go, if there is an armed security guard at every shopping center you go to, if your trunk is being inspected everytime you're entering a parking lot - you feel a heck of a lot safer.
 
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