Yes and Target charging the same for the products they sell should be criminal as well. We deserve everything for free! Certainly apple makes money, and their margins are well off, however they do a lot for those apps. They are scrutinized by teams of folks keeping us safe. They host, and dispense terabytes of data each hour for downloads to peoples phone. They host the website and update the contents to ensure it is safe. They assist in troubleshooting app issues between the OS and the developer to aid in updates. I'm not sure 30% is a fair value considering a $10 app and a $100 app would incur similar costs yet one would pay more. All things included they deserve some kind of compensation for hosting the store, app reviews, bug detections, and the digital hosting assets.
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Apple to Comply With New Court Ordered App Store Rules, But Will Appeal
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Yes and Target charging the same for the products they sell should be criminal as well. We deserve everything for free! Certainly apple makes money, and their margins are well off, however they do a lot for those apps. They are scrutinized by teams of folks keeping us safe. They host, and dispense terabytes of data each hour for downloads to peoples phone. They host the website and update the contents to ensure it is safe. They assist in troubleshooting app issues between the OS and the developer to aid in updates. I'm not sure 30% is a fair value considering a $10 app and a $100 app would incur similar costs yet one would pay more. All things included they deserve some kind of compensation for hosting the store, app reviews, bug detections, and the digital hosting assets.
The court said Apple’s 30 percent commission “allowed it to reap supracompetitive operating margins” and was not tied to the value of its intellectual property, and thus, was anticompetitive. Is that what Apple is going to appeal? The Supreme Court already declined once to take up anything related to Apple/Epic. Why would they decide to hear this?
Check the post right above yours
This is US lawsuit. iOS share in the US is higher than Android's.
What IP am I using when I purchase something on the web? This comment I saw on Ars website explains it well. Without 3rd party apps the iPhone would be much less useful and Apple wouldn’t sell nearly as many phones as it does.
What is your 3rd party app going to run on, if not on top of Apple’s software. Apple isn’t giving their software away for free. They are a for profit corporation.
Yes one app made it through. Probably dozens over the many years it's been open. Care to speculate how many are in the open arenas of Android and Cydia?
Scammers will love this ruling. It's Apple's platform. They should self-regulate as they see fit.
And without 3rd party apps iPhones would be less useful to most people. I’m not sure the best way for Apple to charge for it’s IP but this court clearly did not think the 30% commission was tied to the value of it’s IP.
When I spend $1000 on a new iPhone where does it all go? Does none of it go to developing and maintaining software? Or running the App Store?
Just waiting for scam apps to be the next news headlines in a few months, redirecting to their sites for payment and...well, you know the rest.
Many people already do, stuff like Amazon Prime Spotify Netflix Disney+ etc.
It is not ridiculous. The notion that Apple is entitled to a cut of every transaction made from an Apple device is ****ing asinine.
This is exactly why I think their walled garden approach is defective. But hardening the OS and making it more fundamentally secure would cost apple some profits, and ya know Tim Cook can't have that!
In which case customers could decide not to buy an iPhone.
No one is forced to buy an iPhone.
No one is forced to develop for iPhone.
Let them stop making apps for iPhone and Apple will have to lower the price.
Let them make their own phone OS to compete and Apple will have to lower the price or alter the terms.
Forcing Apple to change its business model by lawsuit is ridiculous and actually anti-consumer (but pro Apples competitors). the whole reason most people choose iPhone is BECAUSE we don’t have to deal with dozens of payments to dozens of companies, all of whom want to invade our privacy as much as possible.
Apples approach is a value add for me. It lets me manage my purchases in one place and limits the info those 3rd party companies get. I PREFER that. Now it’s going to go away.
If companies didn’t like paying a 30% fee they should have walked away. This ruling is terrible. I hope Apple wins on appeal.
Cue the hue and cry of the Apple haters who inhabit this forum now.
Why? Why is it asinine? No one was forced to agree to those terms. No one was forced to develop an app for the iPhone.
Apple offered a platform with very lucrative customers. Companies had a choice to make, do we want access to those customers or not. Apple said ok we’ll let you sell on our platform, but there’s a fee. Just like every mall ever. Just like Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft do.
What’s asinine is demanding Apple give away access to its platform and its development tools for free.
No one in this thread of course can answer that question with certainty; but I'd wager it doesn't or if any does it's a very small amount.
For the iPhone 16 ($799), manufacturing costs are estimated to be $416 (52%), we know Apple likes to keep profits at ~30% ($240); which leaves $143 (~18%) per device for shipping, hardware R&D expenses, marketing expenses, legal department, etc.
Hard to tell how much of that $143 would be left for App Store related expenses, but I doubt enough to cover App Store costs. Also just given Apple's philosophy, they likely see the App Store as an entity that is separate. It needs to recover all its costs (app review teams, developer relations folks, app hosting/distribution infrastructure, related engineering staff, legal, etc.) and itself also turn an ~30% profit or better.
Well, this is to be expected.
The president of the country is blatantly lying. So, it is not surprising that execs don't consider these kinds of lying as a bad thing. I am sure nothing criminal will be investigated because of the donations going to the coffers of the ruling cabal.
The far right president lies in the name of protecting the country from illegal immigration. The far left company lies in the name of protecting the users. The only thing common is that both of them are lying to enrich themselves of billions of dollars.
Right or left means nothing in America - the only thing of value is the mighty dollar and as long as you have it - nothing will happen to you.
The president of the country is blatantly lying. So, it is not surprising that execs don't consider these kinds of lying as a bad thing. I am sure nothing criminal will be investigated because of the donations going to the coffers of the ruling cabal.
The far right president lies in the name of protecting the country from illegal immigration. The far left company lies in the name of protecting the users. The only thing common is that both of them are lying to enrich themselves of billions of dollars.
Right or left means nothing in America - the only thing of value is the mighty dollar and as long as you have it - nothing will happen to you.
This is a tremendous win for developers globally. Now Apple should finally be forced to allow other browser engines to be used on iOS as well ideally