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Use of Intellectual Property ought to be paid for if the owner wants to be paid for it.

It’s like saying Disney has to let anyone use the Star Wars universe in books/movies/TV for free. App wouldn’t exist without Apple’s IP.
Yes they would exist. Apple literally currently blocks browser engines that have done the work for that very thing to happen for Web apps with API support that enable Web apps to have much more parity with native appa to skip the app store altogether.
 
>> "nor can it track, audit, or monitor consumer activity."

Apple does all the same "evil" things google does, apple just doesn't "sell" the info, it just uses the information internally to make more money.
 
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Developer fee is tiered based on company revenue is the first thought that comes to mind. Or maybe per seat licensing? First seat in a company account is $99, 2-10 is $200 each, 10-25 is $1000, works its way up? Maybe exceptions for certain app categories? Maybe they raise prices on devices to compensate, or maybe most apps don’t leave? Or they do a EU and say “we allow alternative stores but if you want to be the App Store you have to play by our rules”. I’m sure they’ll think of something, (and I’m sure whatever it is will be worse for Apple than what they have now, which is why they should have done a better job of complying.)


I’d argue it absolutely isn’t. And blowing this up has the risk of making things worse for everyone. Hopefully we don’t realize that risk.
I thought about addressing company revenue in my initial post, but I don't see how that's feasible. How would that work for Chase Bank (for example) or maybe your local utility company that has an app (for access to your account information, viewing bills, etc.)? They'd have to do a lot of exception carving for apps that offer users utility but themselves drive no revenue. The water company isn't making money off their app, they provide it as a convenience for their customers (their business is to provide you water to your house and that uses none of Apple's IP) vs. a game developer or productivity app that derives big chunks (or all) of their revenue by directly leveraging Apple's IP.

However they'd work to re-configure the structure (which I agree, they'll come up with something); tying it to the number of developers (eg. seat licensing) isn't going to fly for them (or their shareholders) as the number of active developers is a poor representation of the value the App Store provides. They'll want/need to stick to a way that attempts to capture a cut of the total value of the App Store ecosystem provides.
 
Whoever wrote this title is either woefully ignorant or a total shill. Tim Cook has always been pretty evil going back to his days monopolizing the world supply of flash storage for the iPod nano. I’m just so over Apple right now. None of their software is working correctly and they’re just as evil as any other evil big company. I hope there is an antitrust probe and they get into a lot of trouble and have to sell off parts of their business.
 
BECAUSE we don’t have to deal with dozens of payments to dozens of companies, all of whom want to invade our privacy as much as possible.

They already invaded our privacy because it's allowed. Why would Apple allow devs to collect users' financial info or search history. If I'm paying Apple why would Google or any other dev collect my credit card info.

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I like how users always forget that macOS gets it malware more easily then iOS but no one mentions that part. Users can download third party apps…
Of course it does and Apple wouldn't dare mention the decades Macs have existed without any huge hullabaloo on malware. They want you to believe it's all secure and safe inside the walled garden and that's the only way it should be.
 
I suspect tiered pricing for access to the App Store is coming, but that will be worse for everyone, so they’ll hold off as long as possible.
There's already fragmented pricing by developers selling their services for less if you sub through their website instead of iOS. Now it'll just be more obvious for the user through better UX. They could quite easily offer a price+30% inside iOS or just a regular price from their website. User's choice if they don't trust the developer and it's all as scary as Apple make it out to be. Users can put vote with their wallet.
 
There seem to be a lot of confused comments about open app installations and so on. This entire injunction is only about Apple blocking developers from directing customers to their own web page to bypass Apple’s 30% cut of sub fees. That’s it.

Most people will continue to use the IAP method because it allows them to track their subs in the Settings app.

Not sure how any of that is going to cause malware.
 
I’m not sure that apple realise how ugly they look by continuing to fight this. I find their attitude abhorrent.

This attitude, the Siri disaster and the sheer bang for your buck at lower price points, means that for the first time ever, I’m seriously starting to look at android land - pixel and nothing phones.

I’m not going yet. But I’m thinking about it.
 
If I was king of the world for five minutes I would instantly ban all appeals. Court cases drag on for years because one side doesn't like the result and says "We're appealing!" It's a bit like heavyweight boxing when every loser is entitled to a rematch
 
Charging up to 30% just for putting something in an App Store is inexcusable rent-seeking behavior. Apple are a bunch of money grubbers with a captive audience.
If Walmart charged 90% to list my product, I wouldn't use it and simply move to a competitor. This isn't hard to understand.
 
Apple says it build the platform that allows consumers to use those apps. However consumer have already paid a lot of money for that platform when they bought an iPhone.

Imagine you built a house and the construction company got a lot of money for that, but now they want 30% of all money that the house generates.

Apple of course could shut down the app store, if it does not earn any money with it any more. However then most people would stop buying iPhones.
 
Like you have any choice Apple, you either comply or be held in contempt of a contempt of a court ruling and face the consequences of that, be it large fines, jail time for the board members etc. This is a win fort the consumer at the end of the day. Apple’s greed has lost them this case, nothing else, they were told by law what to do and ignored it through pointless appeals just like another appeal will be pointless. They better be careful and hope competition commissions don’t start ordering them to sell off parts of their business…
 
I like how users always forget that macOS gets it malware more easily then iOS but no one mentions that part. Users can download third party apps…
These security arguments were litigated in court. Apple lost those arguments. As they should lose them, because they're dumb arguments. You can buy goods and services using a Web browser on iOS and iPadOS — using Safari, even. You've been able to buy goods and services online using a Web browser for about 3 decades. You can already do that, today. You can even use Apple Pay in Safari if the merchant elects to support it. Just fire up Safari and go buy whatever you want from Amazon, Netflix, Spotify, Walmart, or myriad other online merchants. Whatever risks there are in buying goods and services via a Web browser on iOS or iPadOS already exist.

The contested issue was whether an app developer can make it more convenient to use Safari (or the default Web browser) to make exactly the same "external" transactions in exactly the same way. Apple tried to argue that somehow buying a subscription in Safari was not buying a subscription in Safari. Apple lost that argument, and it lost all appeals.

In fact, it's *safer* for an app to offer a URL to tap versus the current "you can't subscribe in our app; you figure out how to find us" arrangement. A user might mistype a URL, landing on a phishing Web site (if it isn't already blocked via Google's anti-phishing/anti-malware list that Apple relies on).
While I agree in general, I think what Apple is worried about is every paid app becoming “free” and requiring an out-of-app subscription, which is significantly worse for Apple and (I’d argue) worse for Apple’s customers.
If Apple is concerned about that outcome, no problem! Simply charge a lower commission that nearly all app developers can tolerate. How about 5%?

Supermarkets operate on low single digit margins, and they actually have to stock and move myriad perishable physical goods.

You know what else would be better for consumers? A much lower Apple sales commission! Apple's profit margin is incredibly high.
Imagine if you had to give your credit card info to every single paid app, you’re not able to easily cancel subscriptions, no remedy in cases of misrepresentations of functions, etc.
Apple already offers a solution for unified payments: Apple Pay. You know what Apple could do to encourage Apple Pay adoption in Web and app transactions? Be more cost competitive.

The U.S. Federal Trade Commission (FTC) already adopted subscription cancellation rules. Moreover, credit card vendors already offer dispute resolution mechanisms. But OK, if Apple genuinely adds some value in those respects, fine. Apple could try charging a 5% commission, not 30%.
...and that’s before the scam apps, fraud etc that Apple will have no way of preventing, which will tarnish their brand image (especially if they’re not allowed to mention buying off the app store is riskier, which it absolutely is).
Again, Apple already raised these arguments and lost. There's nothing preventing Apple from blocking scam apps from the Apple App Store. Apple can even continue to charge a 30% commission if it wants. Or 38%, or whatever rate it wants. But it cannot block app developers in the U.S. from providing a tappable in-app URL to switch to Safari (or another Web browser) to go buy a subscription or other in-app purchase — something the iOS/iPadOS user can already do by switching to Safari and heading over to the app developer's online Web store (via a search engine or direct entry of a URL).
 
Apple says it build the platform that allows consumers to use those apps. However consumer have already paid a lot of money for that platform when they bought an iPhone.

Imagine you built a house and the construction company got a lot of money for that, but now they want 30% of all money that the house generates.

Apple of course could shut down the app store, if it does not earn any money with it any more. However then most people would stop buying iPhones.
I suggest you buy a house and read the Ts&Cs. You might be surprised by how often you “own” the top of the land, but not the minerals rights. You will have restrictions on rights and usages and monetizing. As the housing industry moves further into HOAs, you will find more and more restrictions on your ownership.
 
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While I agree in general, I think what Apple is worried about is every paid app becoming “free” and requiring an out-of-app subscription, which is significantly worse for Apple and (I’d argue) worse for Apple’s customers.

Imagine if you had to give your credit card info to every single paid app, you’re not able to easily cancel subscriptions, no remedy in cases of misrepresentations of functions, etc. and that’s before the scam apps, fraud etc that Apple will have no way of preventing, which will tarnish their brand image (especially if they’re not allowed to mention buying off the app store is riskier, which it absolutely is).

Again, I agree with most of this ruling; I just don’t think app steering is as black and white as most MacRumors “argh greedy Tim Cook” make it out to be. (Not saying that’s you - to be clear).
This !!

While it seems to make sense to be able to purchase outside of App Store, there is just a major ease-of-use factor for the end customer and a big security gain to have Apple facilitate it.

Also - if all just make free apps and want you outside the App Store, it will just be Apple hosting and making a massive shop front for everyone for free
 
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