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I had this crazy theory that what Apple meant by modular for the Mac Pro was starting off with a Mac Mini-like base.

My hypothesis is similar but diverging. See, I have my doubts when Apple said a 'modular' design that they meant 'user upgradable'.

Instead, I think they were talking specifically of how the design of the current pro had different subsystems so interdependent w.r.t. heat and power usage that it wound up being very difficult to upgrade - especially when the evolution of the components and user usage wound up being so different than expected (massive GPU power usage, low use of GPU computation outside of ML/data scientist work).

So modular may mean designs that allow them to have a wide variety of products, including potentially different form factors. So its might be possible that they will scale down to non-Xeon/integrated graphics in a mini form factor, or are otherwise planning to reuse some of that development work.

Or... not. One of the things Apple (previously) prided itself on is how little power the Mac mini used compared to comparable PCs. The Mac mini is also targeted as a starter switcher machine. I could see a new mini without USB-C or TB3 at all.

I wonder if this is what that is or something else entirely. Basically you would have a base "box" which is the processor, RAM, and logic board. It would have Intel integrated graphics and an small SSD blade so it could run on it's own. Then you can stack components on top of this: GPU(s), SSDs, HDDs, capture cards and similar components for both video/audio production. It could all connect with a series of Thunderbolt 4 connectors (perhaps a variant that allows the components to stack together like lego bricks.

Possible, although this hypothetical Thunderbolt 4 controller needs to fix some of the other issues with thunderbolt. For example, The Touch Bar MacBooks cannot power two 5k monitors from the same side because that would put both on the same controller.

There's also the issue that thunderbolt does add additional latency compared to direct PCIe. This is why Apple released eGPUs to developers in advance - code that blocks waiting on reads could be WAY slower.

Finally, you wouldn't be able to do GPU switching AFAIK with this approach.

The thing I'm not sure about is how the power supply would work, such as needing a larger one with multiple GPUs. I'm also not sure about whether Thunderbolt 4 would be fast enough for professional, highest-end GPU work. Isn't it supposed to be around 100Gbps? Perhaps the reason it has taken this long is they've been working with Intel on that standard (or building their own?).
I'd assume if it is an eGPU it has its own power supply. USB-C cables have a max power of 100W, so they'd need to put a proprietary connector on one end or work with the USB-IF on an update to the PD spec (such as negotiating higher power ratings over active cables).
 
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Thunderbolt 3 is emerging quickly, but I do not think it will truly blossom until (and if) Intel gives up on licensing fees and the controller is integrated onto the CPU die, which at this rate will be closer to 2020 or 2021.
Intel has already given up on TB licensing fees and product approval (thank Deity!). As for integrated TB controllers "on-die", I think they slated that for 2019, IIRC.
 
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Mac mini!!! If Apple really makes something around $1000 that uses desktop class parts and can be upgraded I’ll ditch my hackintosh.
 
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You make some good points. I guess Apple considers iPads and base-level laptops the "entry level" into the Apple ecosystem these days.

If a nice Mini came out for ~$1K, I'd be a bit conflicted myself about whether to buy a new iMac 5K (which is a gorgeous machine) or get a Mini and a good external 4K monitor. In any case, it's will be useful to be able to de-couple the CPU from the monitor, keyboard and mouse.

The iPhone would actually be the main entry point into the Apple ecosystem these days, since that is what more users would have (going by sales numbers).
 
...but will it be Cubed Shaped?

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A Mac Mini that has upgradable RAM and SSD would be perfect for me since I haven't really used my MBP in ages after buying an iPad Pro 9.7. Plus I tend to not play games anymore so there really isn't a need to stick with a Window 10 desktop.

Just give me one that I can max out the CPU/GPU while allowing me to upgrade my own RAM/SSD.
 
Wish to see the announcement soon.
The low-cost one sounds perfect to use as a second-Mac with iMac.
 
I don't care what kind of focus as long as it has some and there is some sort of refreshed release.
I have about a dozen 2011/2012's that I don't want to replace with 2014's because those are already 4 years old as well.

I just want a new inexpensive refresh with updated internals.

Sure give the option for more pro-type users but please don't raise that intial pricing much higher than the $500 range.
I have 34 of these things and would hope to not have to eventually double the price to replace.
 
I wish the Mac mini were just a regular high-end PC except it could run macOS. You know, the kind with the latest consumer-grade desktop parts, i7 CPU, multiple disks, lots of RAM. PCIe slot would be cool but not necessary. Kids build these things from NewEgg parts, of course more clunky than what Apple could offer.

I'm not a spec w**** but just need something that'll never falter with my work and isn't outdated like my Mac Pro I currently rely on.
 
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Let's set our expectations low for a sec, it's Apple we are talking about. Even if the Mac Mini has an underpowered professor, , 1 HDMI port, 1 USB C and 1 USB 3 port, it would be an upgrade to my 2012 model and I'd buy it to show Apple that we need real computers again!
 
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Mixed feelings on this. It will be great to have a Retina MacBook Air without Butterfly keyboard or USB-C keep to the tried and tested design Apple and it will kick the 12" MacBook in to touch which is all but a failed product.

As for the updated Mac mini most welcome but and its a big one. For the pro market not so good. Apple are aiming for the top end as with the iMac Pro and forgotten the purpose the original Mac mini and that was a budget Mac which many in the past have used as a stepping stone to get to know the Mac platform. If the new Mac mini is to be pro only then that option will be gone.
It may be they have a Pro version of the Mini for the Pros and (Hopefully) an upgraded version of the current Mini with up to date specs.
 
I have a HP Workstation that’s going near 7 years now, probably would replace it with hits. But I surely hope they have an affordable entry level model with reasonable specs. I need at least 8 GBs of RAM and be able to run 1 or 2 VMs. So, 256 GBs of SSD storage would be minimum - never going back to mechanical storage, that’s for sure.
 
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So it’s going to be a cheaper MBA but have a retina screen? Also a MBA with retina screen makes the rMB pointless. Sorry not buying it.

I am not sure I understand why a retina MBA makes a rMB pointless. The rMB is a niche product for people that put a premium on portability. Customers for the rMB will pay extra (apparently) for a lower powered laptop with one port, so they can enjoy an ultraportable MacOS user experience. I am not knocking it. There are certainly people that value these attributes.

The MBA is for a different Target customer. It’s an everyday computer at an entry level price. It is 50% heavier than the rMB and has a much larger foot print. But, it has the ports and features that many consumers want in an affordable package. Imagine the current MBA with a Retina display, routine spec updates, and maybe an update to the thunderbolt port (from 2 to 3). If Apple’s display suppliers have sufficient bulk of HD screens, it might be less expensive than using legacy TN displays.....who knows. In any event, Apple needs to have an entry level ($1000) laptop in their lineup that meets the needs of average consumers. The rMB is not that product....too much of a niche.

There are tons of people that would prefer an upadated MBA to the rMB, and there would be lots of people that prefer the rMB to the MBA.
 
I always thought the Air revival would be the first Apple laptop using an Apple-designed ARM chip, but we're probably too far away from that if these machines are coming out in the next year.
 
Just give me one that I can max out the CPU/GPU while allowing me to upgrade my own RAM/SSD.

Why not just buy the best configuration you want at the best price you can afford and be done with it? It is not the 2000's.

It is a once in 6-7 years purchase anyway - spread the payments thin; it is the American way.
 
A Mac Mini that has upgradable RAM and SSD would be perfect for me since I haven't really used my MBP in ages after buying an iPad Pro 9.7. Plus I tend to not play games anymore so there really isn't a need to stick with a Window 10 desktop.

Just give me one that I can max out the CPU/GPU while allowing me to upgrade my own RAM/SSD.
Upgradable ?
No money for Apple then. Doubt that will ever happen anymore
 
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I have fire-wire 800 on my Mac Mini. Freaking FIRE WIRE 800!!! It's for work so I doubt I will be upgrading it.
Firewire 800 is great as it can be daisy chained to allow for massive amounts of storage capacity. It is one of the reasons I continue to use my mid 2011 iMac as it has Firewire 800 as well as Thunderbolt 2.

Older Macs are Better.
 
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