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There are SO MANY sites that do offer productivity apps. Go to the individual developers website if you have to. Not everyone is going to be doing this switch over to exclusive digital, just Apple. So some might ship you a CD. More than likely you will be able to get it digitally though. The number one productivity app in the world has been available digitally for years for Mac - and not through the "App Store." Its called Microsoft Office.

Maybe it's just me, but I have for years yearned for more instant downloads. Given the choice between a CD being shipped to me and instant download I will always take the latter.
 
Maybe they will go with USB for physical media. Maybe they'll trash physical media entirely. Maybe CDs and DVDs will remain for a while. Maybe CDs will get smaller. I actually like this idea. Smaller CDs. CDs and DVDs and CD ROMs typically have a radius less than 2.5 inches. Imagine cutting that in half. It's bound to happen. Blu-rays fit more information on it than a normal DVD. In 10 more years 10 times the amount of data could fit on a DVD. Of course, this comes down to if the consumer wants a smaller disk versus a larger disk (takes up less space vs holds more). On the other hand, I can also see everything going downloadable. At some point in the future, everybody's going to have internet so physical media could just disappear.

The way I see it, internet speeds have been and will be increasing for everybody. Computer hard drives have been and will be getting larger. Physical media has been able to fit more information into smaller places and will be. Now, while physical media has been getting smaller that doesn't mean they will disappear. It means that we will be able to fit more GBs on a USB drive. So while internet speeds are rising, USB drives can fit more. The advantage to physical media is that it doesn't take up massive space on your HD like downloading would. The disadvantage is that you have to go out and get it versus sitting here on your computer downloading it. Physical media will most likely stay. Downloadable and physical media go hand in hand. They will thrive with each other. Neither will disappear.

For Apple getting rid of the CDs is a good move, because CDs require moving parts and these moving parts take up space in your computer. This space could be used for other things, like a battery, CPU, or HD. Hopefully Apple starts to sell physical media again.

wowww did i right a lot
 
they raised the dome

The walled garden just got ten feet higher.

One trillion in the bank. Magic.

The "walled garden" got a dome when the computer app store launched - they've just strengthened the dome.

Look at the "1984" SuperBowl advert again - proves that "you become what you mock".
 
The future is digital download, but through sites that offer downloads with far less DRM than Apple. I have been buying all my software digitally for years, but from the developer's websites (Microsoft, Ambrosia, Sillysoft, etc...). I also use Steam, which while restrictive doesn't even approach the levels of restriction the Mac App store has. The Mac app store is a joke to anyone who knows how to go under the hood of a Mac. It severely limits the ability of programs to function to their full capacity. For that reason I only use it as a guide now. If I see something there I like (i.e. Call of Duty Modern Warfare) then I go to a separate site (i.e. Direct2Drive (IGN)) and buy it. For example, with COD MW there is still DRM, but at least I can play multiplayer with no problems and change settings using more advanced features of the program, and I have a separate data folder with the program so I can add mods. Mod Warfare is NOT available to people who pay the same or more money to buy this particular product on the App Store. And I read with horror the comments people have on all types of different products they have bought from the store. Terrible memory management, more tuned for the iOS and ported over to Mac, worthless product that would never be sold through another distribution channel in this way, or entire parts of the program eliminated or not working. The lack of root access is the real killer. OS Lion reminds me of the "Launcher" Apple pushed on us way back in the classic days. Made for and used by the computer-illiterate.

Apple's DRM is the best in the business. The most freedom to use the applications when and where you want I've ever seen. Do you know of any other source that will let you use an application on as many computers as you own without paying additional licenses?

The CoD "issue" you mention is about the most worthless complaint I've ever seen, btw. There's nothing about the Mac App Store that would prevent mods from working for games, the developer simply has to support it properly.

The rest of your post is just nonsense without any basis in reality. Every app I've downloaded from the Mac App Store has been finely tuned, launches quickly and works perfectly every time and in every way. Sure, there will sometimes be trash in there, that's true anywhere. Delete it and move on if you make a mistake.

Basically, you should know that I'm telling you you don't have a clue what you're going on about, and I'm going to guess that you've actually never even looked at the Mac App Store itself. You're either trolling or just gullible enough to believe the trolls you've read.

jW
 
Cost of a 2011 Mac Book Pro: $1,199.00

Cost of Broadband Internet: $24.99

If you can afford a Mac, I'm sure you can afford internet. If someone purchases a Mac, I'm hoping they researched that purchasing most apps come via the App Store. With this they should know that they need broadband. Although people in general tend to disappoint my expectations, my point still stands.

$24.99, where do You live? Perhaps you are lucky enough Not to have to deal with Qwest.
 
Perhaps you are lucky enough Not to have to deal with Qwest.

Though you weren't replying to me, Qwest has been exceptionally good here in Denver over the past two years. I have only had an outage maybe twice in all that time.

Previous to that, I had Comcast and couldn't tell you how many times my service would go dead, usually at about 1 AM. Didn't like them because of this and the bandwidth limits.

Before that, I was back with Qwest and they were again nearly perfect except for the time when they couldn't explain why my DSL speed dropped from the highest at the time (2001 or so) which was about 3Mbps to the lowest 1.5Mbps. Because they had no clue back then, I canceled and went with Comcast who had no bandwidth limits at the time.
 
Though you weren't replying to me, Qwest has been exceptionally good here in Denver over the past two years. I have only had an outage maybe twice in all that time.

Previous to that, I had Comcast and couldn't tell you how many times my service would go dead, usually at about 1 AM. Didn't like them because of this and the bandwidth limits.

Before that, I was back with Qwest and they were again nearly perfect except for the time when they couldn't explain why my DSL speed dropped from the highest at the time (2001 or so) which was about 3Mbps to the lowest 1.5Mbps. Because they had no clue back then, I canceled and went with Comcast who had no bandwidth limits at the time.

I live in a rural area West of Colorado Springs. Qwest chooses Not to upgrade their lines and equipment, so, at the moment, I am limited to the lowest DSL speed.
 
I live in a rural area West of Colorado Springs. Qwest chooses Not to upgrade their lines and equipment, so, at the moment, I am limited to the lowest DSL speed.

Ouch. It took them a while to upgrade our service here. I stayed with Comcast until Qwest installed fiber optic cable in my area and then switched back.

My speeds test out at about 14-15Mbps now. I really love it.
 
Of course

I love Apple's policy of TELLING people what's good. "Nah, you don't need a DVD drive. Everything is more convenient when you download it, regardless of how massive it is. DRM is fantastic! And all the music you'll ever want is on iTunes. What was that? You actually have a CD? Well you can buy this POS superdrive with a 3" cable for $80. What? You have a DVD, too? Well, you can always take the 2+ hours to rip and encode it."

I'm also guessing that they're doing this to make it more difficult for people to resell their software, if not impossible.
 
I love Apple's policy of TELLING people what's good. "Nah, you don't need a DVD drive. Everything is more convenient when you download it, regardless of how massive it is. DRM is fantastic! And all the music you'll ever want is on iTunes. What was that? You actually have a CD? Well you can buy this POS superdrive with a 3" cable for $80. What? You have a DVD, too? Well, you can always take the 2+ hours to rip and encode it."

I'm also guessing that they're doing this to make it more difficult for people to resell their software, if not impossible.


Excellent points, thanks.
 
The "walled garden" got a dome when the computer app store launched - they've just strengthened the dome.

Look at the "1984" SuperBowl advert again - proves that "you become what you mock".

Methinks the 1984 ad wasn't about what you think it was about.
 
Methinks the 1984 ad wasn't about what you think it was about.
Steve Jobs on 1984 commercial:

It is now 1984. It appears IBM wants it all. Apple is perceived to be the only hope to offer IBM a run for its money. Dealers initially welcoming IBM with open arms now fear an IBM dominated and controlled future. They are increasingly turning back to Apple as the only force that can ensure their future freedom. IBM wants it all and is aiming its guns on its last obstacle to industry control: Apple. Will Big Blue dominate the entire computer industry? The entire information age? Was George Orwell right?
It's pretty easy to replace "IBM" with "Apple" and replace "Apple" with, well, just about anyone that's not Apple.


Lethal
 
There's too many people still running Tiger and/or Leopard. I think that with every major OS revision that is sold, Apple needs to give them more and more incentive to move forward (whether it's features that's positive or limitations that are negative). People need more and more reasons to get up-to-date. And this isn't about the $29-$129 either, I don't believe. I think it's about the customer having the smoothest experience on the platform possible. This is just one more way to help that along.

Some of us have very expensive, professional level devices with drivers that won't accommodate Snow Leopard. We can't upgrade right now without losing access to those devices. I don't have anything running Snow Leopard. So, no App Store for me.
 
Steve Jobs on 1984 commercial:


It's pretty easy to replace "IBM" with "Apple" and replace "Apple" with, well, just about anyone that's not Apple.


Lethal

Except it's only perception that Apple is dominating. In the PC/Mac market (the topic of this thread), they are still under 10% share, depending on your market definition, of course. We're not anywhere close to an Apple monoculture.
 
Have you used the Mac App Store? You can take a look at your purchase history and re-download anything you bought at any time.

Unless you're talking about software in general, in which case, I'm sure there will be external DVD drives for use for the 3 times people stick discs into them each year.

I really need that purchase history option for the iOS store. :(
 
Cost of a 2011 Mac Book Pro: $1,199.00

Cost of Broadband Internet: $24.99

If you can afford a Mac, I'm sure you can afford internet. If someone purchases a Mac, I'm hoping they researched that purchasing most apps come via the App Store. With this they should know that they need broadband. Although people in general tend to disappoint my expectations, my point still stands.

I have broadband. I just don't see the fun in having to download the whole Final Cut Studio suite.

You know, giving people choices is great. Forcing them to do things your way is awful.

It baffles me how people (I'm not refering to you) can be so self centered and think that whatever suits them is good enough for everyone.

I think it's the same thing we've been discussing ad nauseam in the blu ray thread, what's wrong in letting people decide wether they want to spend a whole day downloading apps or go to a physical store and buy a copy of the app?

I certainly hope Apple will keep on selling humongous apps like the Final Cut suite or Logic in retail stores.
 
They are - the Multimedia/Mobile Ecosystem (iTunes, iOS. iPod).... :eek:

I'm not sure what your point is. If you are grouping all mobile devices (phones, digital music players, media tablets), Apple is around 10%.
 
Except it's only perception that Apple is dominating. In the PC/Mac market (the topic of this thread), they are still under 10% share, depending on your market definition, of course. We're not anywhere close to an Apple monoculture.
You are looking at the wrong market. Consumer smart phones? Tablets? Download/streaming of 'premium' music, movie & TV content? Apple is currently the company to beat in those areas and those are the areas that are poised to grow exponentially over the next few years.

Steve Jobs:
"If I were running Apple, I would milk the Macintosh for all it's worth -- and get busy on the next great thing. The PC wars are over. Done. Microsoft won a long time ago."
-- Fortune, Feb. 19, 1996


Lethal
 
You are looking at the wrong market. Consumer smart phones? Tablets? Download/streaming of 'premium' music, movie & TV content? Apple is currently the company to beat in those areas and those are the areas that are poised to grow exponentially over the next few years.

The wrong market for what? Outside of "media tablets" Apple doesn't have a dominant share in any of the markets that you mentioned. (Although I'm not sure what you mean by "premium" music, movie and TV content. Are you really making claims of Big Brother and completely discounting the free content? That's like saying "Big Brother controls everything, except what it doesn't control.") And the "media tablet" market is a brand new market invented by Apple. It's high marketshare is hardly a sign of Big Brotherly control.

And none of those markets have the same significance that the PC industry had in 1984.
 
The wrong market for what? Outside of "media tablets" Apple doesn't have a dominant share in any of the markets that you mentioned. (Although I'm not sure what you mean by "premium" music, movie and TV content. Are you really making claims of Big Brother and completely discounting the free content? That's like saying "Big Brother controls everything, except what it doesn't control.") And the "media tablet" market is a brand new market invented by Apple. It's high marketshare is hardly a sign of Big Brotherly control.

And none of those markets have the same significance that the PC industry had in 1984.
The 'wrong market' meaning it's not about comparing computer sales because that ship has sailed. Apple will never be the IBM/MS of personal computers but they are easily on the path of being the IBM/MS of mobile computing (phones, tablets, etc.,) and legal internet distribution of media.

Premium content is generally considered to be content that can actually generate revenue in a significant fashion. For example, YouTube is generally has non-premium content and even though it is the most used internet video site by far YouTube is a giant, money-sucking black hole for Google. It's very difficult to get people to pay to watch a 20sec video of a cat playing with some yarn or to talk a sponsor into having their ad attached to a video of a guy setting his farts on fire or to a pirated movie.

Hulu and the iTMS, on the other hand, only get a fraction of the traffic that YouTube does but Hulu and the iTMS focus on premium content so they make money via ads, subscriptions, and/or pay-per-view.


Lethal
 
The 'wrong market' meaning it's not about comparing computer sales because that ship has sailed. Apple will never be the IBM/MS of personal computers but they are easily on the path of being the IBM/MS of mobile computing (phones, tablets, etc.,) and legal internet distribution of media.

"On the path?" You claimed that Apple could replace IBM in Jobs description of the ad now. Like I said, that's just silly. Of the two markets that you mentioned, 1) "mobile computing (phones, tablets, etc.,)," Apple has a share of 10% or so, and 2) "legal internet distribution of media," I couldn't imagine that Apple has a significant share that's much higher.

Premium content is generally considered to be content that can actually generate revenue in a significant fashion. For example, YouTube is generally has non-premium content and even though it is the most used internet video site by far YouTube is a giant, money-sucking black hole for Google. It's very difficult to get people to pay to watch a 20sec video of a cat playing with some yarn or to talk a sponsor into having their ad attached to a video of a guy setting his farts on fire or to a pirated movie.

Hulu and the iTMS, on the other hand, only get a fraction of the traffic that YouTube does but Hulu and the iTMS focus on premium content so they make money via ads, subscriptions, and/or pay-per-view.

Sure, but differentiating between premium and non-premium content is pretty amusing amid claims of "Big Brother." Are you really scaring people with claims that Big Brother controls all information (except for the vast majority of information that is free and easily accessible?)

Big Brother isn't simply a large market share in some random market.
 
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