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Apple to Expand Research and Development Facilities in China
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This is precisely the right move. Tim Cook is hoping Apple's investments in China will appease the Chinese government and its citizens, especially after the recent big drop in iPhones sales
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This is a way for Apple to show them that Apple is not abandoning them or looking to move all their R&D, production, etc to other countries.
Anyone that honestly believes that manufacturing can simply be “moved out” of China has an extremely blinkered view as to how the West has built their supply chains entirely on components that come only from that market.
Most of the West can’t even manufacture its own weapons because they’re entirely dependent on Chinese nitrocellulose…and sanctioned themselves from being able to obtain it.
Most of the West can’t even manufacture its own weapons because they’re entirely dependent on Chinese nitrocellulose…and sanctioned themselves from being able to obtain it.
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Copies of Apple's future projects coming to a garage sale near you 😂😂
Warmongering is a long honored tradition among military establishments.
As if Foxconn et. al. who make Apple products in the PRC don't also there make "pc" products that you likely use?
Looking through the 'New Posts' list I noticed this thread
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It's MR reporting on China banning government employees from having iphones. Now it occurred to me, if Apple was to move their iphone R&D to China, various laws in China would allow the Chinese government to see what is going on and if they could see what goes into developing an iphone they might reconsider the ban on government iphone use.
There are capable R&D people outside of China meaning there is no reason why Apple needs to expands it's R&D in China if it's a case of needing better skilled people. Which means there has to be other reasons why Apple would feel the need to expand R&D in China and in my opinion it is as many have pointed out, it's due to China's government requiring Apple to continue to invest in China if they want to carry on manufacturing in China which allows them access to the Chinese mobile phone market.
China Expanding Government iPhone Ban
China earlier this week banned government officials from using iPhones and other foreign smartphones for work or from bringing such devices to their government offices, and now China is expanding the ban. According to Bloomberg, multiple state agencies and state companies have started telling...
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It's MR reporting on China banning government employees from having iphones. Now it occurred to me, if Apple was to move their iphone R&D to China, various laws in China would allow the Chinese government to see what is going on and if they could see what goes into developing an iphone they might reconsider the ban on government iphone use.
There are capable R&D people outside of China meaning there is no reason why Apple needs to expands it's R&D in China if it's a case of needing better skilled people. Which means there has to be other reasons why Apple would feel the need to expand R&D in China and in my opinion it is as many have pointed out, it's due to China's government requiring Apple to continue to invest in China if they want to carry on manufacturing in China which allows them access to the Chinese mobile phone market.
That kind of clause is pretty standard in most countries.Looking through the 'New Posts' list I noticed this thread
China Expanding Government iPhone Ban
China earlier this week banned government officials from using iPhones and other foreign smartphones for work or from bringing such devices to their government offices, and now China is expanding the ban. According to Bloomberg, multiple state agencies and state companies have started telling...
It's MR reporting on China banning government employees from having iphones. Now it occurred to me, if Apple was to move their iphone R&D to China, various laws in China would allow the Chinese government to see what is going on and if they could see what goes into developing an iphone they might reconsider the ban on government iphone use.
There are capable R&D people outside of China meaning there is no reason why Apple needs to expands it's R&D in China if it's a case of needing better skilled people. Which means there has to be other reasons why Apple would feel the need to expand R&D in China and in my opinion it is as many have pointed out, it's due to China's government requiring Apple to continue to invest in China if they want to carry on manufacturing in China which allows them access to the Chinese mobile phone market.
It’s the reason why Apple’s tax avoidance scheme is anchored in Cork Ireland with an R&D center.
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They "need" to because it's all about making money and China has a huge customer base.Apple are quite profitable as it is. They don't 'need' to do anything. There are plenty of research institutions in North America, Europe, and democratic parts of Asia. And if this sounds political, may I remind people that Apple has always marketed itself as pro-freedom.
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Capitalism gonna capitalism. Why anyone truly thinks the world’s economic model isn’t the main driver of business decisions is beyond me…
Loads of countries are at economic war with each other across the globe.... it's just you don't see it as a regular citizen and it's not in the media. All countries are competing against each other to one extent or another... even those that are close allies.
And then on the flip side... loads of countries are still doing business with each other... despite either being at war, or part of a proxy war.
Its all transactional... Apple invests in China for continued benefits...
Its not all black and white... people in the east have family (mostly in education) and assets/businesses in the west... and people in the west have assets and investments in the east...
Id say an all out war would be highly unlikely, but not impossible.. People, families, businesses and assets are so interconnected.
Why in the world would Apple want to expand in China when everyone else is pulling back? There must be a ton of other places in the world to do this. Bad idea. Go anywhere else for this, especially a place that won’t steal all of your IP.
Why would anyone truly thinks that the current economic model is here to stay forever? The biggest problem is if your wealth and assets(especially overseas) were legitimized/acquired within the current outgoing economic model it is possible that you will lose it in the new incoming economic model. This is why having a strong State is so important.
"Applied Research - an area of research where Apple dumps billions while Siri is still as good as a deaf and blind squirrel"
That might have been the predominant sentiment at one point, but many businsses have since reversed course or were never a part of the move away from China crowd.
Plenty of Ameican companies are still investing in or are looking to expand their operations in China. You've got Nvidia and AMD; retailers such as Costco and Sam's Club; American fast food companies such as McDonald's, KFC, and Starbucks; Disney; clothing brands like Nike, Lululemon, and Ralph Lauren;... The list goes on and on and on.
China is Apple's third largest market. It doesn't make sense for Apple to not be investing there.
It’s one thing to try selling there. It’s another to expose your IP and research to China. There are plenty of places they can do R&D that isn’t in China. Apple said it was trying to diversify its exposure by moving facilities to places such as Vietnam and India, but to add to R&D centers in the heart of a country that doesn’t value IP is self-defeating.
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I agree
On the other hand these $139.2 million bucks are not a huge movement, just appeasing the market there...
That’s not what this is about. For Tim’s AAPL it may be all about money. But the reality is the world needs big tech to stop sharing high tech with China let alone building them there.
I thought Apple was moving away from China and towards friendly countries like India?
Tim Cook must have received an offer he couldn't refuse.
Gutless
Tim Cook must have received an offer he couldn't refuse.
Gutless
It's the opposite of absurd, it's actually Apple planting a stake in the ground and declaring they are not aligned with the US agenda to destroy China. Many companies understand the significance of China from an innovation and economic standpoint and they wise enough to realize cutting ourselves off from them is suicidal. The more China and the US are dependent on each other, the less likely we are to go to war, Xi Jinping has said as much during his visit to San Francisco and he's 100% correct. This is actually the prime benefit of mutually beneficial FAIR markets and trade which is what the US doesn't want because it knows it wouldn't be able to bully everyone with the dollar anymore.
Bravo Tim Cook.