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"the bag searches that did happen took so little time that compensation was not necessary"

That might be one of the worst legal arguments I've ever read. I hope Apple loses this case, this policy stops, and these hard working people get properly compensated.

I worked in retail for several year in my past. Employee theft is a real problem. In some store, this is the number one source of loss. So how do you discourage and prevent this? One is to check everyone as they walk out. Another would be to ban all bags in the first place. I know of several stores where this is such a concern that they they do it to the customers as well as the employees -- like having to check your bags while you shop, or at costco where everyone is checked on the way out.

Apple has a right to ensure that their product is not being stolen. I do agree that compensation may be required if the employee is made to wait. We can wait to see what the facts bear in case. If the court rules that not only compensation is needed but the practice is eliminated, the question is what measures will Apple then take to insure loss prevention. As a store manager I would simply say that no bags, purses, backpacks, etc are allowed and provide no place for the employees to store such items while on shift. This would accomplish the same thing, but that would probably make employees even more frustrated. Alternatively Apple could implement a costco approach and do it to employees and well as customers and then everyone loses.

All of this is to say that my hope is that they tweak the policy to ensure that the employee is being fairly compensated if they are having to wait. everything else should be thrown out.
 
Demeaning? No. It's to be expected if you are working for a high-end industry. People who work at precious metal/gem mints and vaults go thru this regularly. But the searches cannot be done off the clock. Once you're off the clock you are no longer under the employment of the company and cannot be held against your will. To be required to stay there for the searches to be done, the employee remains on the clock. So, I don't buy the "demeaning" argument. But the "just compensation" for the extra time (accumulated over days/weeks/months/years), yes.
 
I had the same thing happen to me when I was entering Disney World. I guess that they thought taken a something off the Monorail.
 
I worked at Apple 5th Ave. for two years and they were SO strict about us having to take our breaks, not doing work off the clock, they really bent over backwards to make sure that we had the best employment experience possible. No matter what they do, it's still a retail job, but I really don't think they deserve a class action lawsuit over this.
 
It doesn't take 15 minutes. Here's a novel idea.... Leave the backpack or purse at home. DUH!
No Bag check.

I'm a guy so I can do these things, but for the women they sure love their bags though.
I worked retail, never got bag checked since I don't usually bring them to work.

Local Gamespot store checks their employees pocket, they have to pull the pocket out and turn around while the manager sees it, this is done at the register where customers can see. I thought that's kind of weird seeing a guy with his jeans pocket pulled out and turn around. heh.
 
It's going to be interesting when Apple has to explain their policy of allowing customers to steal and employees powerless to do anything about it. I hope they win, wasted time for hardworking people who are quite literally the minnows in an ocean full of sharks and whales!!!
 
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we're expected to work hours longer than the 8 hour day where i work and no one here gets compensated extra for it. i was under the impression that salaried employees don't get paid overtime. 10 to 15 minutes extra a day is the most trivial thing comparatively when we regularly push 9-11 hours daily
 
"the bag searches that did happen took so little time that compensation was not necessary"

That might be one of the worst legal arguments I've ever read. I hope Apple loses this case, this policy stops, and these hard working people get properly compensated.

In labor laws there is a 7 minute rule, which allows companies to round down hours worked, depending on how they pay their employees.
I can't imagine a bag check taking 15 minutes. That's some bag.

On another note, let's not forget that within their 8 hours employees do not work permanently. Between bath room breaks = (Check cellphone and text a little) Talking to fellow employees not about work etc.
there is plenty of time wasted.

If it prevails they all get a $ 10.00 iTunes gift card and the lawyers get a few million.
 
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"the bag searches that did happen took so little time that compensation was not necessary"

That might be one of the worst legal arguments I've ever read. I hope Apple loses this case, this policy stops, and these hard working people get properly compensated.
Ian 100%behind the workers I wonder if Apple did it in clock time would they argue that it takes to long probably as now a days large companys do treat people with total lack of respect I wonder if they look in Tims handbag no didn't think so , you either TRUST your employees or you call them theifs ! Apple pose have respect for your employees without these guys there would be no Apple as everybody is a potential customer but there again in Scotland we appreciate good workers
 
Searches of this nature are normal in the vast majority of retail businesses and quite rightly so considering the fact that some people steal.
It is usually written into employment contracts.
In my experience honest employees never worry about it and see it as a normal part of retail employment.
Theft costs us all money.
 
I'm a little confused here. Whether I agree with the employees or not, the Supreme Court has already ruled that this is ok. Not sure what is going to be accomplished here other than some lawyers making money.
 
It seems that finding a place to park your car at a mall (especially during Christmas time), walking to the mall entrance, walking all the way to the Apple store - and doing the same going home - would take up FAR more time than this silly 10 second bag check they're complaining about.
 
It seems that finding a place to park your car at a mall (especially during Christmas time), walking to the mall entrance, walking all the way to the Apple store - and doing the same going home - would take up FAR more time than this silly 10 second bag check they're complaining about.

People haven't figured out a way bilk Apple for that yet.
 
I'm sorry but if you are going to bring your personal bags containing personal items to your work as a privilege from your employer and expecting your employer to not check your bag for lose prevention is absurd. You, as an employee, are causing an interruption of business by bringing in personal items to work. Therefore you should not be compensated for the time it takes the employer to protect it's merchandise and information. The majority of theft in most businesses is internal. It has been proven time and time again. And if it's taking 10-15 minutes each day then you really need to not bring your carry on luggage to work each day!
 
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"the bag searches that did happen took so little time that compensation was not necessary"

That might be one of the worst legal arguments I've ever read. I hope Apple loses this case, this policy stops, and these hard working people get properly compensated.

You do realize this is standard loss prevention procedure in basically all American retail stores, right? Instead, Apple will simply say "fine, you can't bring a bag to work at all" then.
 
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From http://blogs.findlaw.com/free_enterprise/2013/10/amazon-sued-over-employee-security-checks.html:

"In the Amazon lawsuit, the class action plaintiffs allege they were never compensated during the bag searches or while waiting in line for the screenings (in a sea of about 100 employees), adding up to 10 to 20 minutes of uncompensated time per worker, according to WCAU-TV."

Source for your five-to-ten-seconds?
It looks like you quoted a corroborating source yourself.

10 to 20 minutes is 600 to 1200 seconds. With 100 employees that comes out to 6-12 seconds per check.
 
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I'm a little confused here. Whether I agree with the employees or not, the Supreme Court has already ruled that this is ok. Not sure what is going to be accomplished here other than some lawyers making money.
This case is almost certainly on contingency, so there's no fee for the lawyers if they lose. There's something else going on here however, as the lawyers wouldn't still be pursuing this case if it was as much a slam dunk as it looks to be.
 
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