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so.... let me get this straight. to celebrate earth day they're gonna make a whole bunch of NEW shirts (maybe 10,000) just to wear for a day? not very environmentally friendly
 
Yes. Apple needs to set an example of what a "real" green company does to promote proper recycling and disposal.
Don't sit back and expect people to come to you.
Setup "Apple" recycling/disposal bins all over the world.
Be proactive and help the planet!

That is a really terrible idea. Do you know how many of those bins would get broken into and computers and iphones stolen if they did that? It would take more money and energy to create the bins and install them around the world and then have people go around to each one and collect the items, than it would to print these t-shirts they're making. Possible even more energy than to build all the computers and iPhones they make.

If you really want to, you can just drop your computer into your recycle bin for your city and let them pick them up every week. This is assuming your city has a recycling program. If they don't it should be YOUR JOB and the other residents of your city to petition that your city create a recycling program. People need to work together on this.

You are basically absolving yourself of any and all responsibility to keeping our planet healthy.
 
That is a really terrible idea. Do you know how many of those bins would get broken into and computers and iphones stolen if they did that? It would take more money and energy to create the bins and install them around the world and then have people go around to each one and collect the items, than it would to print these t-shirts they're making. Possible even more energy than to build all the computers and iPhones they make.

If you really want to, you can just drop your computer into your recycle bin for your city and let them pick them up every week. This is assuming your city has a recycling program. If they don't it should be YOUR JOB and the other residents of your city to petition that your city create a recycling program. People need to work together on this.

You are basically absolving yourself of any and all responsibility to keeping our planet healthy.
You're making excuses.
Best Buy, Home Depot and various other stores have these electronic recycling bins.
*Not sure if they dispose of them in a green way or not.

Why can't Apple have their own bin for Apple devices?
They can. They just choose not to because it doesn't make money, it costs money.
See it's all about hype and money, not actually doing the right thing.
 
But that's not true. See, the only thing people are aware of is the color scheme. Maybe you aren't paying attention to REALITY.

The REALITY is that the color scheme is an opportunity to invite discussion. I think it's working, don't you? It seems to be working for you at least.
 
Look at all the admittedly beautiful but incredibly wasteful packaging on Apple products.

I disagree. There is very little waste in apples packaging. The materials that are there are because they are needed to protect the items inside. Maybe when the day comes that co outer, phones etc can be printed in the spot at every store they won't need to worry about the risk of damaging that $2000 laptop through various stages of transport between spots sometimes half way around the world from each other.

And the packaging is a lot less than what it was a few years ago.

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What's Apple doing to assure that the batteries from their products are disposed of correctly?

I guess it's not their problem how the landfill gets full of their toxic garbage as long as they are green up to the POS.

Do a little research before you spout off claims. Because Apple does a ton of recycling and reusing post sale.

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Making it smaller means they can ship three to four more (guesstimating on the packaging photo) in the same volume saving on shipping space (ship, truck, plane, even FedEx to my house).

You bring up a point that a lot of folks overlook because they are too obsessed with packaging materials etc.

Shipping costs etc. Especially in terms of fuel. How much, what types are the carriers using and so on.

The whole environmental thing is multifaceted

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That only addresses battery replacement.
What about all those Apple products that make it to the landfill.

And just how many products is that. I'm sure you can give us an exact amount since you know for fact that it is a lot.

Again, use your brain and do some research. You are smart enough to post comments so you should be smart enough to use google, bing etc. Answer your own question.

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I'm a little confused by what you are asserting. You say Apple is doing a great job, but you say they aren't leading. If they are doing a great job, that is leading by example isn't it? I do get that businesses tend to do these things out of improving public image (though I suspect the people at Apple may actually care about such things ... my humble opinion).

What he's basically saying is that Apple IS doing great with what they are doing but they aren't doing what he thinks they should be doing, especially with supplier companies they have no authority over in countries they don't control, so they still suck.

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Yes. Apple needs to set an example of what a "real" green company does to promote proper recycling and disposal.
Don't sit back and expect people to come to you.
Setup "Apple" recycling/disposal bins all over the world.
Be proactive and help the planet!

That's a great idea. In fact lets have Apple take over everything that is wrong with the country, even the world. Cable companies suck, Apple will run them. Cell phone companies suck, Apple time. We can make them set up hospitals and schools, even run the government.

Guess what? Not really plausible. Not only because one company can't run everything and be responsible for everything and everyone. But simply Apple isn't interested. They could have bought a cell phone company or an ISP with their billions. But they would rather leave it to others. Just like users have to back up their stuff, take responsibility for damaging it and trashing it when done with it. Oh and had you done that thinking you'd see that Apple does in fact assist in recycling a great many things.
 
You're making excuses.
Best Buy, Home Depot and various other stores have these electronic recycling bins.
*Not sure if they dispose of them in a green way or not.

Why can't Apple have their own bin for Apple devices?
They can. They just choose not to because it doesn't make money, it costs money.
See it's all about hype and money, not actually doing the right thing.

Umm, Best Buy and Home Depot have those electronic recycling bins AT THE STORE. You are perfectly welcome to take your old Apple product TO A STORE and give it to them to recycle. But Apple is not going to drive to your house to pick it up for you. Neither is ANY OTHER STORE.
I don't know why you are thinking the way you are, but Apple operates just like any other store that accepts recyclable products. Just give your computer to an Apple employee and they'll deal with it.
 
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This is a worthy effort. Not caring about the environment is how we got here in the first place.

History shows civilizations that care and pamper their territory become stoic, weak and unable to defend themselves from outside encroachments (Persia, Babylon, Papal States, medieval Spain, pre-war France & Denmark, et. al.)

The meek shall inherit the earth, the rest of us worth something go to the stars.

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Everyone should care about the world and try to make a difference. Unfortunately the business of computers is wasteful in so many ways that renewable energy data centres will not even dent the consumption involved on a global scale. Apple do better than most but come on...

Aluminium - heating to make it is very energy inefficient.
Batteries - toxic and many chemicals to make.
computers - millions running world wide everyday. (at least apples are low wattage)
shipping - products materials etc move and cause huge energy usage.

Sorry but apple would have to be involved in almost every aspect of every company it uses to actually make a difference in the world and how it uses energy and materials.

It's great the data centres and all but it's the tip of a much bigger picture. Apple look good for doing a little bit but there is so much more they could do.

My take is that all this "environmental" concern is just a part of Al Gore and his Green Inc. business plan as part of the Apple Board of Directors. When you look at the bottom line, it is still a company making good product with whatever PR they find convenient creating a public affinity to sell their goods.
 
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