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Apple To Host September 25th Special Event (Photokina)
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I'm not so sure
In the past, I may have agreed with your opinion that directly competing with Adobe would be a misguided idea on Apple's part, but now I'm not so sure.
Look at how much Adobe has been slacking in the Mac arena lately. They just released Photoshop Elements 5.0 for Windows, but they've given no indication that I can find about when the Mac version will be released. Not only that, but even the late-coming Photoshop Elements 4.0 for Mac isn't available as widely or as generously as the Windows version.
Typically Elements is bundled with various camera models. Now, Elements 4.0 is bundled for Windows, but only the archaic Elements 3.0 is bundled for Mac. This is even the case for some of the newly announced Leica cameras and other newer models from other brands.
In addition, Adobe does not offer a downloadable demo version of Elements 4.0 for Mac (the demo is only v3.0), although they have offered a demo of the Windows version for quite some time. The ONLY way to get Elements 4.0 for Mac it seems is to buy it outright site unseen.
Then there's the ever-present Universal problem. As someone who uses Photoshop CS2 every day on a maxed Intel iMac Core Duo, I must say its performance is terrible compared to what it should be. Using Photoshop in Rosetta is a slightly painful experience, especially when you have tons of large images to process, and Bridge is even worse - it crashes constantly for no apparent reason (like when you try to save an image in Photoshop with Bridge open) - even after a fresh install.
Plus, Adobe's becoming more draconian with their activation schemes, which in my opinion accomplish nothing but to punish, annoy, and alienate the HONEST, paying customers. Obviously, crooks will find a way around the limitations anyway, so they are pointless because they affect only those of us who actually own licenses to the software.
It seems as if Adobe has been digging its own grave over the past few years. If Apple came out with some sort of plugin or other compatible program that would add the functionality of Photoshop Elements 4-5 into Aperture plus maybe a few trivial things from CS2 that were stripped from Elements, and if they did it in typical Apple style with a greatly streamlined, classy interface, I'd definitely consider dropping Adobe from my arsenal altogether. For anything else I needed, I would use Painter or Painter Essentials.
gugy said:
In the past, I may have agreed with your opinion that directly competing with Adobe would be a misguided idea on Apple's part, but now I'm not so sure.
Look at how much Adobe has been slacking in the Mac arena lately. They just released Photoshop Elements 5.0 for Windows, but they've given no indication that I can find about when the Mac version will be released. Not only that, but even the late-coming Photoshop Elements 4.0 for Mac isn't available as widely or as generously as the Windows version.
Typically Elements is bundled with various camera models. Now, Elements 4.0 is bundled for Windows, but only the archaic Elements 3.0 is bundled for Mac. This is even the case for some of the newly announced Leica cameras and other newer models from other brands.
In addition, Adobe does not offer a downloadable demo version of Elements 4.0 for Mac (the demo is only v3.0), although they have offered a demo of the Windows version for quite some time. The ONLY way to get Elements 4.0 for Mac it seems is to buy it outright site unseen.
Then there's the ever-present Universal problem. As someone who uses Photoshop CS2 every day on a maxed Intel iMac Core Duo, I must say its performance is terrible compared to what it should be. Using Photoshop in Rosetta is a slightly painful experience, especially when you have tons of large images to process, and Bridge is even worse - it crashes constantly for no apparent reason (like when you try to save an image in Photoshop with Bridge open) - even after a fresh install.
Plus, Adobe's becoming more draconian with their activation schemes, which in my opinion accomplish nothing but to punish, annoy, and alienate the HONEST, paying customers. Obviously, crooks will find a way around the limitations anyway, so they are pointless because they affect only those of us who actually own licenses to the software.
It seems as if Adobe has been digging its own grave over the past few years. If Apple came out with some sort of plugin or other compatible program that would add the functionality of Photoshop Elements 4-5 into Aperture plus maybe a few trivial things from CS2 that were stripped from Elements, and if they did it in typical Apple style with a greatly streamlined, classy interface, I'd definitely consider dropping Adobe from my arsenal altogether. For anything else I needed, I would use Painter or Painter Essentials.
Doubt it
You honestly think that the ONLY reason Apple exists today is because of Adobe? I think that's quite an illogical and simplistic assumption. Adobe isn't responsible for the innovation that comes out of Cupertino any more than Apple is responsible for the historical success of Photoshop and its cluttered, incoherent interface or the incompetence coming out of Redmond.
Apple doesn't NEED Adobe to survive. Perhaps that may have once been the case when Apple was on its deathbed, but the company has rebounded and is now stronger than ever. Everything Apple's done in recent memory has been a result of its own innovation and ingenuity and its ability to foresee upcoming trends.
I'm not a cheerleader for Apple by any means because I'm still waiting to be thoroughly satisfied by Aperture as well, but to say that Apple must court Adobe to stay alive is a bit ridiculous, I think. But of course, that's just my opinion. ;-)
Machead III said:
You honestly think that the ONLY reason Apple exists today is because of Adobe? I think that's quite an illogical and simplistic assumption. Adobe isn't responsible for the innovation that comes out of Cupertino any more than Apple is responsible for the historical success of Photoshop and its cluttered, incoherent interface or the incompetence coming out of Redmond.
Apple doesn't NEED Adobe to survive. Perhaps that may have once been the case when Apple was on its deathbed, but the company has rebounded and is now stronger than ever. Everything Apple's done in recent memory has been a result of its own innovation and ingenuity and its ability to foresee upcoming trends.
I'm not a cheerleader for Apple by any means because I'm still waiting to be thoroughly satisfied by Aperture as well, but to say that Apple must court Adobe to stay alive is a bit ridiculous, I think. But of course, that's just my opinion. ;-)
InsiderTravels said:
lawl, what I meant was, until there are comparative alternatives, without apps like Photoshop and illustrator, Apple would lose a vast portion of it's base.
Sort of goes without saying tbh.
InsiderTravels said:
Maybe you are right about Photoshop Elements, but I am talking about professional apps. If we look at the update cycle of the professional apps from Adobe I think they are pretty good. every 18 to 24 months a new version with a lot of nice features.
The universal fiasco is bad. I don't blame Adobe entirely for that. Steve and Apple said it would take 2 years to complete the transition. In the end it took what? not even 1 year, I think. So now Adobe is saying they will bring CS3 spring 2007 that would be on the original timeframe. How can we blame them for that? I think is their main interest to have Universal apps out there to make money.
I am with you, I love Apple apps, like FCP, DVD Studio Pro and Aperture. Adobe has no competition for that. As for Motion, is nice but After Effects is way more powerful and Photoshop and Illustrator are awesome.
Maybe I am an Adobe fanboy, but I am Apple's too. As long as we can have great apps from whatever company, I'll be satisfied. I would only hate to have to compromise for something less because competition between those two companies.
So, my only hope they can coexist in harmony and provide us with the best.
Perhaps
I see where you're coming from, I do, but I guess I'm just thoroughly annoyed at this point - enough to dream about a possible future without the headaches Adobe has given me.
Don't get me wrong, I'm annoyed with some of the remaining glitches and bugs in Aperture as well. But at least it seems like Apple's TRYING to appease its customers by giving free updates and asking for input about feature wishes and the like. It seems that whenever a new version of Photoshop is FINALLY released, it contains a few new bells and whistles but nothing substantial and few of the pre-existing problems have been addressed. It's almost like they're taking a page or two from the Microsoft book; they just keep piling stuff on top of the decades old codebase, and as a result, the program keeps getting more and more bloated and lethargic.
In contrast, Aperture started out slower than molasses but has steadily increased in speed with each incremental update. It still has a long way to go to kick Photoshop or anyone else out of the market (assuming that ever even becomes Apple's goal), but at least it seems to be heading in the right direction. Photoshop, on the other hand, just keeps going in the opposite direction.
Who knows what direction Apple will ultimately take Aperture and/or any rumored complementary editing application, but whatever they do I sure hope the final product (s) will allow me to get rid of the barrage of applications on my hard drive in favor of one or two cohesive applications that will alleviate the need for all the rest of them.
gugy said:
I see where you're coming from, I do, but I guess I'm just thoroughly annoyed at this point - enough to dream about a possible future without the headaches Adobe has given me.
Don't get me wrong, I'm annoyed with some of the remaining glitches and bugs in Aperture as well. But at least it seems like Apple's TRYING to appease its customers by giving free updates and asking for input about feature wishes and the like. It seems that whenever a new version of Photoshop is FINALLY released, it contains a few new bells and whistles but nothing substantial and few of the pre-existing problems have been addressed. It's almost like they're taking a page or two from the Microsoft book; they just keep piling stuff on top of the decades old codebase, and as a result, the program keeps getting more and more bloated and lethargic.
In contrast, Aperture started out slower than molasses but has steadily increased in speed with each incremental update. It still has a long way to go to kick Photoshop or anyone else out of the market (assuming that ever even becomes Apple's goal), but at least it seems to be heading in the right direction. Photoshop, on the other hand, just keeps going in the opposite direction.
Who knows what direction Apple will ultimately take Aperture and/or any rumored complementary editing application, but whatever they do I sure hope the final product (s) will allow me to get rid of the barrage of applications on my hard drive in favor of one or two cohesive applications that will alleviate the need for all the rest of them.
InsiderTravels said:
I think you just need to wait until CS3 before passing judgement on Adobe. Rumors from developers indicate that CS3 is going to blow Apple users away. Much much better performance boost. Totally re-written. Many bugs addressed. Newly designed interface and product integration.
digitalbiker said:I think you just need to wait until CS3 before passing judgement on Adobe. Rumors from developers indicate that CS3 is going to blow Apple users away. Much much better performance boost. Totally re-written. Many bugs addressed. Newly designed interface and product integration.
I'll believe it when I see it, and believe me, I will be waiting and hopeful that your predictions come to fruition. Any judgment passed upon Adobe by anyone at this point is fairly deserved. Their software is way too expensive to have to deal with the headaches that go along with it. If you're going to ask people to mortgage themselves to you for the privilege of using your software, you'd better be darn certain it's worthy of such reverence, and you'd better spend most of your time kissing the rear ends of every single customer who coughs up the cash over and over again. And it wouldn't hurt to get rid of that ridiculous authorization scheme from both Adobe and Macromedia titles because like I said, it only hurts the paying customers, not the thiefs.
That's all I'll say about this issue. My soapbox time is finished for now. ;-)
gugy said:
I think I read somewhere that Macs account for almost 50% of Adobe's revenue. If that's true, I wouldn't worry about them walking away.
I read that people thnk C2D MBP would be released alongside Aperture 2 would be logical. How is it logical that Apple would release new computers at a photography event?
ipod update at photokina????
has anyone thought that the true video/photo ipod could also be the photographers sidekick? it could be an apaturepod and download moves and photos. allowing for fast mobil transfert of raw data to aid in the never ending battle of storage, or as the interface for external storage...... yeah it could play from the drive that would be cool.
has anyone thought that the true video/photo ipod could also be the photographers sidekick? it could be an apaturepod and download moves and photos. allowing for fast mobil transfert of raw data to aid in the never ending battle of storage, or as the interface for external storage...... yeah it could play from the drive that would be cool.
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2842810#post2842810OdduWon said:has anyone thought that the true video/photo ipod could also be the photographers sidekick? it could be an apaturepod and download moves and photos. allowing for fast mobil transfert of raw data to aid in the never ending battle of storage, or as the interface for external storage...... yeah it could play from the drive that would be cool.
As you can see by my posts, I also think this is likely. I just can't see why Apple increased the size of the iTunes video download files unless they introduce a new, larger iPod (that can do double duty with a photographers need, as you said).
Everyone in this thread is so amped up about a minor MBP upgrade - what a SLEEPER! I use a MBP and Aperture, and kicking up it's CPU by 10-15% isn't going to change my workflow (or impress a lot of people at Photokina!).
Apple had better have a really hot Aperture 2.0 release, plus some more specific photo hardware (i.e. my iPod with Aperture keywords and filtering functions), if they want to make a splash at Photokina.
i agree. merom is not a big deal other than it taking us closer to santarosa. i need a laptop for poly next year so i''m holding out fot leapord and santatrose MBP. also if they only released apature 1.2 this would be a letdown as it is not that big of a deal to release an incremental update unless theres new features. still think that apple is playing it safe, saving the big guns for when the real/sansdisk rapsody mp3 player Macrocrap's zune come out. apple will realaease the digiPod and rule the digital world muhahaha muhahah!
sorry, but world domination aside the next ipod needs to be more of a companion to our digital lives rather a backpack.
sorry, but world domination aside the next ipod needs to be more of a companion to our digital lives rather a backpack.
Machead III said:
I dunno, a vast portion circa '95.
Not a vast portion circa '06.
I bet way less than half (WAY less than half...) of Macs today have any Adobe software on them (excluding Acrobat, of course).
Unspeaked said:
Almost everyone I know who has a mac (around 10 or so) has at least Photoshop installed. A few of them have Illustrator as well. This may not be indicative of the greater population though. I have no idea. It's a broard statement.
HecubusPro said:
No one I know who uses their own Mac (and not a corporate issued one) has any of the Adobe Suite.
However, let me ask you this: are all 10 or so people you're referring to running legal copies?
Unspeaked said:
That I don't know. Why is it pertinent to the subject? If anything it's a little insulting to ask that question.
Off posters' topics but on the topic of the post...
Has Apple even planned the september 25th event or is it simply speculated ? Every time I check their site, it says photokina starts on the 26th, so what am I missing ?
Has Apple even planned the september 25th event or is it simply speculated ? Every time I check their site, it says photokina starts on the 26th, so what am I missing ?