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Was the earlier 11.6" 2010, 2011, 2015 MBA models really what people consider as MBA's due to the parts/performance/smaller size involved versus PC Netbooks? Does Apple need to follow the Google game plan with the Chromebook? There is an opening here for Apple to persuade education looking for lower costed computing to use petite Mac laptops, then cloud based solutions.
The problem was price. Also, Education already uses petite Chromebooks and Google's cloud-based solutions. That's basically entirely what Chrome books are for

Apple could succeed, but I think the issue is price and somehow breaking into the Cloud-based services game, which they've been slowly working on
 
I'm confused as to why Apple just wouldn't promote their iPads in education instead of making an all-new MacBook. All my students use iPads and they work quite well. There are Bluetooth keyboards available, but most of my students just use the touchscreen and Apple Pencil to do most of their work. iPads work flawlessly with Google Education Suite or whatever they're calling it these days.
Apple already does that. Most schools don't use them. They're too expensive and kids need keyboards to do most of their work. If you think about it, it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to buy an expensive tablet that needs an additional expensive keyboard purchase that can be lost or stolen more easily when a cheaper device is available with everything built in

Another factor is Google's cloud services, which are built in to Chromebooks. Most schools that use Chromebooks also use Google's "Office" suite for the majority of their work
 
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A little too late. First, Apple will never get below the cost of a Chromebook. Second, free Google office suite that works at home, school, every pc, mac, iPhone and Android device. Why would schools want to give that up? My college uses Gmail for student accounts.
 
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I love the iPhone 13 mini because it's small and light. It also happens to be their lowest-priced iPhone 13. I would also buy an iPhone SE3 which is geared to the low-priced market.

It is said that the iPhone SE3 will be based on the iPhone 14 chassis. So it will be physically larger than the iPhone 13 mini. The impedes for the SE line is lower cost that doesn’t necessarily translate to smaller physical size.
 
It is said that the iPhone SE3 will be based on the iPhone 14 chassis. So it will be physically larger than the iPhone 13 mini. The impedes for the SE line is lower cost that doesn’t necessarily translate to smaller physical size.

I think that you're talking about the SE4.

The SE3 is based on the iPhone 8. The iPhone 13 mini weighs 4.97 ounces. The SE3 weighs 5.22 ounces. So the SE3 is the lightest of recent iPhones outside of the mini.
 
I guess you have to consider the fact that Apple's market positioning is that of a high-quality brand, leaning towards the higher end of pricing across all of its product spectrum. Suffice to say, to retain that premium brand, they would need to ensure whatever 'budget' option they create, is still perceived as a 'premium' device. I just can't see it being priced lower than $700USD.
 
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Apple has overall higher costs than Google for service too. If I had a problem with my low-cost Apple device, I'd expect to be able to bring it into my local store to get it fixed. What do you do when you have a problem with your Chromebook? Go to your local Google store?
 
If you don't mind me asking, what was the deal for iPhone 5C?
The rumor was Apple was going to release a low-cost phone with a plastic body. This was well before the first iPhone SE, so there never was a cheap iPhone before. Only ever last year's phone for $100 less. When the 5C and 5S were released at the same day, the 5C was still only $100 less than the 5S, but it missed out on the introduction of TouchID and the A7 chip, Apple's first 64-bit processor. Some people falsly claimed that 64-bit wasn't a big deal and only good for addressing more than 4GB of RAM. But the 5S was literally twice as fast and way more advanced than all iPhones before. It didn't matter whether you liked the design of the 5C better or whether your priority was to buy the cheapest iPhone available. You couldn't possibly justify a purchase of the 5C. The offer was an intelligence test and everyone who bought it failed the test miserably.
 
Apple has overall higher costs than Google for service too. If I had a problem with my low-cost Apple device, I'd expect to be able to bring it into my local store to get it fixed. What do you do when you have a problem with your Chromebook? Go to your local Google store?
CB are easier to repair. If they can't be repaired, there are more on hand since they're lower cost to the point where you can get 2 for every 1 iPad, if not more.
 
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Not the issue. The issue is that there's a physical store that you can take it to for repairs.
Why bother taking the time to run down to a store when somebody can repair it, get the job done, all without having to leave the premise? And given how many schools use Chromebooks, I'd think for some of them, going to an Apple store or some other authorized retailer would be very far.
 
Why bother taking the time to run down to a store when somebody can repair it, get the job done, all without having to leave the premise? And given how many schools use Chromebooks, I'd think for some of them, going to an Apple store or some other authorized retailer would be very far.

Our daughter works at an elementary school and she can build and repair computers as well as being well-versed at operating systems and application software. When teachers and staff find out that you have these skills, you become quite popular. They don't have tech staff on campus. At any rate, those buying Apple products have this option which their competitors don't provide. And that has value.
 
Our daughter works at an elementary school and she can build and repair computers as well as being well-versed at operating systems and application software. When teachers and staff find out that you have these skills, you become quite popular. They don't have tech staff on campus. At any rate, those buying Apple products have this option which their competitors don't provide. And that has value.
Then this just shows why Chromebook won that education sector battle. Repairs are easier on a Chromebook (and according to another post, the maintenance of the device accounts for costs far beyond the initial purchase). It's nice having customer service, but when the product requires much less to not really needing it, then that sort of takes care itself.
 
Then this just shows why Chromebook won that education sector battle. Repairs are easier on a Chromebook (and according to another post, the maintenance of the device accounts for costs far beyond the initial purchase). It's nice having customer service, but when the product requires much less to not really needing it, then that sort of takes care itself.

I don't think that the school district does any repairs on Chromebooks. It's possible that it's just a replacement and you pay for the cost of the device. Apparently parents can purchase insurance on these devices so I guess the student is responsible for the device. This is also at the elementary school level. I don't know if they use these in higher grades.
 
We have a home in another state in a city which is known for having a good school district.

K: 1 iPad for every 2 students. iPad stays in school
1-2 iPad for every student. iPad stays in school unless there's a special assignment
3-5:1 Chromebook per student and they remain in classrooms
6-10:1 Chromebook per student and they can go hom
11-12: BYOD

The stated reason why BYOD isn't at lower grades is due to state testing - it sounds like the state has standardized on Chromebooks which would make it difficult for Apple to break into this market. It appears that 11, 12 had Chromebooks in the past but students just brought their own devices and didn't bring their Chromebooks so the district changed their policy.
 
Apple dropped, like halved, the prices on the Classic significantly to make it some mass success back then. The first iMac was not expensive, Apple always had some more budget friendly options. Today you pay a steep price and then you have to start to upgrade RAM and HD.

From my point of view Apple is risking to price itself out of the market. Do they want to be a luxury brand only? Some Louis Vuitton with a connector? Please not. Stay relevant.
 
Oh please NO plastic, recycled aluminum is more environment friendly! Plastic does not fit Apples quality standards.
I would never buy a windows laptop again for one reason: most of them are made of cheap plastic, which is unaesthetic for such a device.
They are all ugly as hell - with very few exceptions.

Honestly, an MB Air 13 is too big and too heavy for a school backpack.
12" is the ideal size for such a device, it is very light and the display is still big enough to work on.
And Apple wouldn't have to work on such a device, it already exists. That's why they don't need to announce it.
At the beginning of the year, Apple asked owners of the MacBook 12" questions about the device, something Apple only does if they intend to develop and offer such a device.

I suppose having sizes 12", 13", 14", and 16" wouldn't make sense. One has got to go. If Apple is interviewing people about the 12" MacBook, I'm surprised. Maybe it'll be rebranded as an "Air." Granted, it was so over-engineered, it would need a re-design for the sake of reducing the cost of production. Even in 2023, the 2015 MacBook was incredibly advanced and overkill.
 
Maybe theyll make a cheap iPad with good keyboard with iOS version that can do the same things that chromebook can do

Chromebook is a great alternative to laptops, I've been recommending them to friends who want a laptop but don't really need a full PC type thing.

I use Google web apps for all productivity tasks, as well as some other amazing web apps - so there's no need to have apps installed for the most part. Just some local storage, and a keyboard, and good to go.

For many use cases this is all people ever do with their laptop and they don't want to bother with OS updates and sophisticated features and tons of CPU horsepower, they just want to make some documents, play some music, surf the web, and that's it.
 
so now with A17 Pro that has 8GB of RAM I can see them using it in such a machine... won't happen anyway.
I think they will either use that or the M1 / M2 (not pro). They are all faster than any chromebook processors. They're cheap, small, and use very little power.
 
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