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Apple to Launch Standalone 'Passwords' App in iOS 18 and macOS 15

Xpress said:
I'd hope that even very non-pro Mac users know how to press Command + Spacebar and type in "Passwords"… I'm probably naïve?
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That's a little more intuitive. I was thinking specifically about iPhone.
 
Anyone who thinks out of the gate that Apple's Passwords app will be better than 1password hasn't been following Apple's track record. This is likely going to be Keychain Access with only the Passwords section shown and a new shiny UI.

1password is so cheap and so hardened after multiple decades of being probably the best password manager out there. And it's only $2.99!? Most of us waste more money on other subscriptions that don't give you anywhere near the value
 
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coffeemilktea said:
I've been using iCloud Keychain for years, and it's so good (and so convenient) that I genuinely never saw the appeal of third-party password managers. :apple:
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I mean..... using any other browser than safari is the most obvious one.

Other apps also have categories to be more flexible than being just for passwords.
Ex: files/images/licenses/personal info (Tax ID, SIN, etc.)
 
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1 password’s Achilles heel is the subscription price, it’s kind of high. It’s $2.99 per month or $36/yr. I mean sure I need a password manager but do I need a $36/yr. password manager? Their app used to have paid upgrades which I can stomach, however subscriptions tend to add up over time so I just use the old legacy app which still works on iOS 17.
 
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bankshot said:
I’ve been using 1Password for at least 13 years, and have been mostly a very happy customer. However, the last couple years the Safari extension on Mac has become unusable. I keep waiting for them to fix it, but nothing happens.

Unlocking the extension is a horrific experience, every time. It times out, presents a password prompt when 1Password itself is already unlocked, and almost always requires going into Safari preferences to turn it off and back on again. Then multiple reloads of the webpage and a little luck finally gets it to come up and autofill. Sometimes it’ll be unlocked in one Safari profile but refuse to unlock in another. It’s madness.

I used to recommend 1Password to non-technical friends & family, but no more. They would never get past this insanity. It used to Just Work, but now, on multiple Macs with the latest versions, it does all of the above.

I’ve avoided Apple’s keychain for all of this stuff since migrating to 1Password, but if this new app covers all of my needs and is integrated well into Safari, I’ll have to take another look. It also needs robust family sharing, not Apple’s usual half-assed implementation of family sharing. And integration with third party browsers would be preferable - while Safari is still my primary browser, I’m encountering a growing list of sites that don’t work properly in it.
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I agree with some of your complaints about 1Password and Safari. I generally don't have problems filling in usernames and passwords, but over time it's become noticeably less useful for entering personal information, such as credit cards, on websites. Still, I rely on it for storing all sorts of other stuff like bank account details, passport photos, and so on. Sharing with family is also seamless, and I like that I can keep the passwords only I need separate from everything else. Apple's solution would have to duplicate all this for me to switch, but I can see it being adequate for many people.

I also concur with your statement about Safari's website compatibility, though it's not new for me. All too often, when I encounter a site that doesn't function properly with Safari, I find Chrome works fine. I'd switch, but I still prefer Safari's UI.
 
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macfacts said:
Sherlocked lol. Apple doing what apple does best, stealing other app ideas.
www.google.com

Sherlock

Sherlock is a now-defunct file and web search tool created by Apple for the "classic" Mac OS, and carried through to early versions of Mac OS X. Sherlock was introduced in 1998 with Mac OS 8.5 as an extension of Finder's file searching capabilities.
www.google.com
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Not really sure why you're getting downvoted as some of the features iOS has recently gotten has existed for ages on Android.
I was able to customise my Lock Screen on Android 2.2.3 etc…
 
This seems like such an odd thing after they have worked towards getting Passkeys implemented into their devices.

From Apple: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102195

About the security of passkeys​

Passkeys are a replacement for passwords. They are faster to sign in with, easier to use, and much more secure.

Passkeys are a replacement for passwords that are designed to provide websites and apps a passwordless sign-in experience that is both more convenient and more secure. Passkeys are a standard-based technology that, unlike passwords, are resistant to phishing, are always strong, and are designed so that there are no shared secrets. They simplify account registration for apps and websites, are easy to use, and work across all of your Apple devices, and even non-Apple devices within physical proximity.
 
jayducharme said:
I thought there was supposed to be Passkey that would entirely replace passwords. Didn't Apple announce that three years ago?

https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/06/09/apple-wants-to-replace-passwords-with-your-iphone-or-mac
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Passkeys already exists and apple already supports them, but not many sites use it yet. Apple can't force the world to use them. Besides that..... many people literally refuse to use a password/passkey manager as it puts all your eggs in one basket. Paper or brain only methodology of managing access isn't going away and that means passwords will always be an alternative.
 
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julesme said:
I’ve found Apple’s solutions somewhat confusing. I‘m often asked whether I want to turn on Keychain to access a particular password across devices, yet this password is already accessible across my devices (maybe through Safari?).

Makes no sense to me - maybe I’m a Luddite.
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I dont keep many apps on my phone. I hope they still have the passwords section in the settings app cuz Id rather just keep it there instead of using a new app for passwords.
 
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kinless said:
Sounds like a good start, but I'm hoping they'll expand to include custom entries (such as software licenses, etc.). I've been evading 1Password's subscription model with their older versions but can't avoid that forever, especially if I upgrade to a new machine. If Apple has a decent replacement that mirrors 1Password then I'll make the jump.
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You can do this today

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sppunk said:
I’ll stick with Strongbox and its open source compatibility (and incredibly easy use).

But this is likely better than the current iOS password system which lacks so many features that makes it nonfictional imo.
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Yep. To be more precise, there is an ecosystem of Keepass-compatible apps, of which Strongbox is a very good one. But there is no vendor lock-in, since you can easily switch to other compatible apps if you want. It also gives you full control over your data, including the option of using only local storage if you don't want to put your most sensitive data in the cloud.
 
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DougTheImpaler said:
I'd actually be interested in using it but the only way I'd consider giving up my current password manager (Bitwarden) is if it was available for all the platforms I use daily - including third-party browser plugins and Windows. Without that, it's just another way to trap you in Apple's ecosystem.
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iCloud passwords has already been cross platform for years now. Windows has all the iCloud, device syncing, and passwords app for Apple. Even integrates with google chrome and edge, or if you’re like me with Firefox you can use the standalone windows app. It works really well, aside from “shared passwords”. That needs some work.
 
japasneezemonk said:
1 password’s Achilles heel is the subscription price, it’s kind of high. It’s $2.99 per month or $36/yr. I mean sure I need a password manager but do I need a $36/yr. password manager? Their app used to have paid upgrades which I can stomach, however subscriptions tend to add up over time so I just use the old legacy app which still works on iOS 17.
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Obviously everyone has a right to their own opinion, but considering 1Password is the application I use more than any other application on my computer on a daily basis, I find it to be bargain. Plus 1Password is consistently updated and improved. This is how a subscription should work.

Everyone's needs are different, but I regularly use features of 1password that will NEVER be added to add Apple's solution.
 
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Yay! Moved from 1Password to iCloud Passwords when the former went subscription. It's been great as long as you are in the Apple ecosystem although there are UI issues for sure. A more robust Apple Password app would be most welcome. Wonder if they will invest in 3rd party browser support.
 
sppunk said:
I’ll stick with Strongbox and its open source compatibility (and incredibly easy use).

But this is likely better than the current iOS password system which lacks so many features that makes it nonfictional imo.
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I use Strongbox on iOS and macOS. I can’t imagine handing over my passwords to Apple.
 
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I feel bad for the folks at 1Password, but if Apple’s app is similar but free, I’ll probably ditch 1Password. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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