Droid isnt bad at all, iv had it for the past 3 days. different than an Iphone but still pretty cool. and btw im not so sure verizon NEEDS the iphone. both companys would benefit from it.
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Droid isnt bad at all, iv had it for the past 3 days. different than an Iphone but still pretty cool. and btw im not so sure verizon NEEDS the iphone. both companys would benefit from it.
Agreed. I wonder if one day Apple can pair with AMD, too. I would like that. I loved it way back when the day AMD beat Intel to 1 GHz. I was in class and the teacher announced it. To us, it was like the first man in space.
Agreed. I wonder if one day Apple can pair with AMD, too. I would like that. I loved it way back when the day AMD beat Intel to 1 GHz. I was in class and the teacher announced it. To us, it was like the first man in space.
AMD is cheaper and that pretty much means more profit for Apple, so it's possible, but not likely.
At one time, long ago, on these forums, many wouldn't have thought Apple would pair with Intel. (I was another username when Macrumors started). But I think things are pretty good with Intel right now. It's just I have always liked AMD.
Jojo. Let's wait for the actual satisfaction surveys to come back. Hankster, was I mean to you in another life? If so, I'm sorry. I don't know what got into me.
I think you think I know more than I think I think I know. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.I don't think you know as much as you think you know...
~ CB
Agreed. I wonder if one day Apple can pair with AMD, too. I would like that. I loved it way back when the day AMD beat Intel to 1 GHz. I was in class and the teacher announced it. To us, it was like the first man in space.
I designed the scheduling unit on that chip.
The Verizon ad was "clever?"
To him, the Seinfeld ads were pure brilliance - he said so himself.
Droid Ads are awful
The Droid ads are awful. I've talked to a number of people and none of them realized what it was an ad for. Many thought it was two ads, one for the iPhone (not realizing that it was actually poking fun at the iPhone) and an ad for the new Transformers movie. It's funny how many people I spoke to noticed the Lucas Films Trademark for Droid at the end of the ad.
The new Verizon ad for Windows Mobile (or whatever they're calling it now) is pretty good. However, I thought it was an ad for Droid, but it wasn't.
What drives me crazy is all of the people that say that iPhone does not support multi-tasking today. It does. Being able to talk on the phone and look up a contact, check my calendar, surf the web is multitasking. Being able to listen to my iPod and do other things is also multitasking.
The Droid ads are awful. I've talked to a number of people and none of them realized what it was an ad for. Many thought it was two ads, one for the iPhone (not realizing that it was actually poking fun at the iPhone) and an ad for the new Transformers movie. It's funny how many people I spoke to noticed the Lucas Films Trademark for Droid at the end of the ad.
The new Verizon ad for Windows Mobile (or whatever they're calling it now) is pretty good. However, I thought it was an ad for Droid, but it wasn't.
What drives me crazy is all of the people that say that iPhone does not support multi-tasking today. It does. Being able to talk on the phone and look up a contact, check my calendar, surf the web is multitasking. Being able to listen to my iPod and do other things is also multitasking.
Wow, you were there at ground zero!
Those were exciting times in the Valley.
I met some excited people who were on the biggest ego trip you could imagine.
We (Microsoft, Cisco techs, programmers, engineers) thought that the whole world was going to turn upside down and somehow San Jose would be the next Manhattan. The tech school's teacher's brother made $430 million in the dot.com boom, some of the students were well on their way to being millionaires and they were just students, and I was (older tech school student who tried the college route without much luck with degrees) watching kids not yet in high school pick out Italian sports cars. People who never even thought of college, not yet old enough to drink were partying with Shawn Fanning. A girl I knew who dropped out of Santa Clara University got hired on, as a graphic designer, at Juniper, and her perks were bigger than most people's salaries. One perk was the best seat at Giant's stadium for a whole season...something like $25,000 dollars a season.
My buddy made 14 million in his first year with a startup. The CEO of Cisco had an office right across the street from the school. I met an 18 year old, non-US citizen, who was retired from IBM and worked as a coder there when he was 14 and the company brought him from (unnamed Asian country) where he should have been doing time, but got discovered by the company. Steve Wozniak was in the next city over the hill as a teacher and was giving away laptops to his students. Cisco was richer than Microsoft around that time. Bill Gates came in an talked at a junior college unannounced.
And then the bottom fell out. Some of the crazy stories I lived, or heard, are ones I want to write a book about, but I bet you saw stuff you cannot talk about. A non techie friend of mine recognized the supposed villain in Charlie's Angels (the movie) as Larry a guy he knew (last name Ellison).
Was your company the one where the naked coder worked at? or was that at Sun?
Was your company the one where the naked coder worked at? or was that at Sun?
I worked at Sun, too, before AMD (designing UltraSparc V for three months, before I decided to go to AMD). No naked coders that I knew about.
I had the most fun working at Exponential Technology. I enjoyed AMD while working on Athlon 64/Opteron, but after that new management came in and ruined the place. Sun I couldn't stomach for more than a couple months.
RE: "Originally Posted by mccdeuce
The IBM RISC design will always be better the PISC Intel/AMD philosophy."
First off, the Megahertz Myth was REAL at one time.
But you are correct that IBM/Moto were inept at keeping up and only Steve Jobs' infamous Reality Distortion Field could keep Apple/IBM/Moto at pace with Intel.
However, worst of all, you missed the most important point...
That INTEL beat Moto and IBM by adding RISC type technology to x86 after realizing the un-ending clock speed race was not giving nearly as much bang for the buck!
And you designed PowerPC chips, yet only joined Macrumors in 2007 ?
Why am I suspicious of the veracity of your info?
You sound about as credible as the dude who knows the dude who works for Sprint who heard a rumor in the mall food court! LOL
The IBM RISC design will always be better the PISC Intel/AMD philosophy."
First off, the Megahertz Myth was REAL at one time.
But you are correct that IBM/Moto were inept at keeping up and only Steve Jobs' infamous Reality Distortion Field could keep Apple/IBM/Moto at pace with Intel.
However, worst of all, you missed the most important point...
That INTEL beat Moto and IBM by adding RISC type technology to x86 after realizing the un-ending clock speed race was not giving nearly as much bang for the buck!
And you designed PowerPC chips, yet only joined Macrumors in 2007 ?
Why am I suspicious of the veracity of your info?
You sound about as credible as the dude who knows the dude who works for Sprint who heard a rumor in the mall food court! LOL
Ok.
This is true. But, I'll bet the "argument" was contrived, and only exacerbated a bad relationship for Apple. I'm sure Blu-Ray keeps having something lame go wrong that makes Apple keep looking the other way because its a "bad of hurt" on the licensing negotiations. I'll agree that the READ ON APPLE is: "We don't need you."
That said, I've taken a vow to push the other side of the argument now. Apple is very close to coming to Verizon (in my opinion, obviously). At this point, Verizon's ads are shifting their vector from "iDon't" to "There's a Map for That". Only geeks care about "iDon't". I confirmed that informly amongst people I know. The iPhone has more apps (things to do, ways to distract) and is demonstrably much MUCH easier for people to use. By Google's own words, all its new "Navigation" services will be available for Apple to implement in iPhone "Maps" its next firmware update in January (if its legally feasible).
If Verizon can push its "Map for That" campaign, it turns Apple's greatest strength against them, as everytime you here "There's an App for That", you might also hear "There's a map for that" in your head as well. SUCCESS!
Prediction: Verizon may not run many (if any) more "iDon't" commercials.
The tech community has decided that Droid does NOT fulfill on being an iPhone Killer (over and over again), but that it is simply a "really good competitor" (which, as the Pre learned is NOT ENOUGH to keep up sales). A "killer" is no more (and no less) than being an all-around better product. At this point, the iPhone is an "all-around" better product than every other smartphone on the market... and FAILS in select areas, which provides opportunity for competition on more niche-savvy features.
As much as iPhone users can expect updates indefinitely, Android phone users cannot, and are dependent on their carriers cooperation (or their own tech savvy). This makes the argument for the Droid less compelling, especially because the Droid phone you buy will likely NEVER leave Verizon... while your iPhone can not only find new life around the world, but has been approved by AT&T itself to be used as a WiFi-enabled highly capable media device even after cancelling all monthly services (better than an iPod Touch).
My original iPhone 2G was stolen, and I'm sure its enjoying a whole new life out there with someone.
Almost goes without saying. Verizon knows its "iDon't" commercials are counterproductive and cryptic for potential customers. Someone else noted that ALL of the "iDon't" generally don't even register as a "blip" with ANYONE except uber-geeks. "How many apps does it have?" or "Is it easy to use?" and "How good is the support if there is a problem, can I take it somewhere?" are much more important to regular consumers.
Taking a NEW approach by harping on AT&T's network failings is SO catchy (and creatively addressed) this attack vector will yield LOTS of fruit.
Let's see how many more "iDon't" commercials we see. I think the ad message already served its purpose.
Visit the website:
http://phones.verizonwireless.com/motorola/droid/#/home
Eye of Sauron anyone? It's a geek toy. Think about Apple's affective web sales material? Very clear, very straight forward. They need to have real people simply demonstrating the product, unless they're really just catering to geeks and power-users who want to be on Verizon.
No, Verizon's "Droid Does" was a ploy from the beginning. I think they've gained enough attention to make some sales, but if they pretend there is a one-to-one comparison with the iPhone experience using ads, there will be a LOT of returns when the ad season is done. They need to sell the Droid on its OWN merits... not as an iPhone replacement. This fact will become even worse if AT&T offers an 8GB 3Gs for $99.
~ CB
Good article re Android, Windows Mobile, iPhone: MS, Google, and the Bear (this may've been posted elsewhere, perhaps even by me. )
There's really no comparison to be made between Android phones and iPhone. 'Bout the only thing they have in common is that they're smartphones. VZW were ridiculous to launch the iDont ad campaign because of the sheer disparity between the two platforms. Even more ridiculous if this rumor (i.e. iPhone could be on VZW) is true. According to that article Google's motive is to protect their ass from the evil that is MS. The iDont ads should've been "Winmo No Mo'!"
/sigh @ VZW
)There's really no comparison to be made between Android phones and iPhone. 'Bout the only thing they have in common is that they're smartphones.
VZW were ridiculous to launch the iDont ad campaign because of the sheer disparity between the two platforms. Even more ridiculous if this rumor (i.e. iPhone could be on VZW) is true. According to that article Google's motive is to protect their ass from the evil that is MS. The iDont ads should've been "Winmo No Mo'!"/sigh @ VZW
The first x86 chip with "RISC-type" architecture (meaning μops, I assume) was the 600nm 150 MHz Pentium Pro in November 1995.
In other words, RISC-like internal architectures spawned the MHz race, not ended it.
Go to wikipedia and search for exponential technology. In the links you'll see a link to the jssc article on the x704 processor. If you follow the link you'll see I am the primary author of that paper (an IEEE journal article). That ought to prove it, but if not I can point you at a dozen other publications.
And the rest of your point is moot. Yes x86 became more RISC like. But it also retained cisc features. The combination is what makes x86 superior to PowerPC in the real world.
And the rest of your point is moot. Yes x86 became more RISC like. But it also retained cisc features. The combination is what makes x86 superior to PowerPC in the real world.
RE: "Originally Posted by mccdeuce
The IBM RISC design will always be better the PISC Intel/AMD philosophy."
First off, the Megahertz Myth was REAL at one time.
But you are correct that IBM/Moto were inept at keeping up and only Steve Jobs' infamous Reality Distortion Field could keep Apple/IBM/Moto at pace with Intel.
However, worst of all, you missed the most important point...
That INTEL beat Moto and IBM by adding RISC type technology to x86 after realizing the un-ending clock speed race was not giving nearly as much bang for the buck!
And you designed PowerPC chips, yet only joined Macrumors in 2007 ?
Why am I suspicious of the veracity of your info?
You sound about as credible as the dude who knows the dude who works for Sprint who heard a rumor in the mall food court! LOL
As most of you probably know, Verizon was originally approached by Apple with regards to the iPhone before AT&T and Verizon passed. I think iPhone customers will be happy with more coverage/better reception, but Verizon's plans are definitely more expensive.
Many of you keep misconstruing business decisions with emotion. SJ will do business with Verizon if there is profitability there. Verizon can air commercials slighting Apple and AT&T, it won't make a difference if the customer base is desirable to apple.
I would wager that Apple is developing a CDMA alongside the GSM as a contingency plan. so eventually releasing a model wouldn't require significantly more R&D. After all, they decided to remove wifi to cater to the Chinese telecom
Verizon's (Map for that) commercials are effective and really illustrate their marketing approach; a reliable network. AT&T offers a great selection of devices, but their service is subpar her in NYC. CDMA's only weakness here is the inability to do both data and voice simultaneously. But when compared to not being able to complete a call or get consistent data connections it's not much of a drawback after all.
I doubt the rumor is a complete farce.
I would wager that Apple is developing a CDMA alongside the GSM as a contingency plan. so eventually releasing a model wouldn't require significantly more R&D. After all, they decided to remove wifi to cater to the Chinese telecom
Verizon's (Map for that) commercials are effective and really illustrate their marketing approach; a reliable network. AT&T offers a great selection of devices, but their service is subpar her in NYC. CDMA's only weakness here is the inability to do both data and voice simultaneously. But when compared to not being able to complete a call or get consistent data connections it's not much of a drawback after all.
I doubt the rumor is a complete farce.
There's a HUGE difference between REMOVING wi-fi and ADDING cdma. And the amount of work required to support CDMA (baseband code, higher level code to deal with no voice/data simultaneously, hardware engineering, etc.) is tremendous.
Not really.
Code is provided with each chipset, and companies often hire a contractor with porting experience.
Everyone from Palm to HTC to Samsung and inbetween, has CDMA models. Many of the latest Verizon phones have both UMTS and CDMA capability.
Apple themselves started with an EDGE only model (with very limited world appeal because of that), then added the additional WCDMA radio necessary to gain 3G and more markeplace.