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I don't think it will happen anytime soon, however, I can see how the idea would be very appealing to Apple. Imagine if you could develop apps that would just run on all Apple devices, there would be just one AppStore. But practically speaking I can't see this advantage outweighing the huge effort to make such a transition, at least not yet anyway.
 
I personally think that this might be a right move. It's pretty obvious that iMacs and Macbooks will be touch based pretty soon. 5 years seems to be good amount of time to slowly transition to that. Intel doesn't have any kind of core architecture for this, plus they are becoming a monopoly in chip space and that's not good for anyone.

And ARM doesn't have a core architechture for a device that can power processor-intensive desktop based applications -- unless Apple is going to finally bow out of the desktop market for good and concentrate on being an iDevice developer, it doesn't make sense to abandon Intel.

And, really, Intel is a monopoly becuase they're far and away the best at what they do. The lack of competition in the field is entirely because no one can innovate and develop at Intel's level of speed and efficiency. If someone can beat them at their own game, great -- but I have no desire to buy an underpowered machine in the name of evening the playing field.
 
There are a lot of knee jerk reactions in this thread that bear little relation to the topic.
First, this is a rumours site, and has accurately reported on some currently circulating news. MacRumors has not generated this story, it is the messenger.
Whether this news is fact, fiction, or speculation is a little hard to say in the absence of statements from the likes of Apple, Arm, Intel etc, but these links might help MR readers to form their own reasoned opinion:

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/05/05/arm_threatens_intel/
http://www.slashgear.com/apple-ditching-intel-for-arm-in-future-macbooks-tip-insiders-06150576/?
http://www.reghardware.com/2011/05/06/apple_arm_laptops/
http://www.reghardware.com/2011/02/16/nvidia_kal_el_tegra/

Secondly, computing is changing. What we've had for the last ten years is a mix of desktops and laptops, with software vendors providing major packages (like MS Office and the Adobe design applications) in the two OS flavours. It is only comparatively recently that handheld devices have become mainstream, particularly for business users. Looking to the future (say 2015 for the sake of argument), it is pretty obvious that mobile devices will become more prevalent, along with the infrastructure that will make them work (like cloud storage for example). It will be too late at that stage for any company to suddenly wake up and decide to join the party.

Thirdly, if you look at Apple's history you can readily see how they have changed little bits of our world very significantly. Take the iPod - laughed at by many when first introduced because it was ridiculously expensive, but it was part of a system that has completely changed the way we buy, store, organise and listen to our music. And music retailers (like HMV in the UK) have missed the boat and are going down the pan as a direct result.

If this 'Arm in Apple' rumour is true, then I would guess that Apple are looking ahead a few years to what might be, and ensuring they are at the front of the pack. Yes, Intel processors are good and have been good for Apple for the last few years. But what about 2015, when MS Office is a thing of the past, and Adobe CS stopped at 6.5, and all your applications are in the cloud to be used only when you need them, along with all your documents, and the MacGadgets magazine you used to buy is only available in digital format along with all the paperback books and daily newspapers.

Finally, Arm don't make chips. They design them and license them for others to make, taking a royalty on each one sold. Any of the chipmakers could produce Arm chips, and in fact many already do.
Arm have already indicated they are designing with the high end server market in view, so are probably already familiar with the fairly modest processing powers needed for laptops. Their A-15 chip will come very close to many current laptop processors. There is no doubt that they have the capability to enter this end of the market in time.
Intel, on the other hand, have already publicly admitted that they are way behind in the mobile/handheld end of the market. For sure they can rectify that, but if I were designing a new tablet today or in the next 6-12 months, I would have no reason to choose anything other than Arm.
If I were designing a laptop today, I would make damn sure that it did what an iPad can do in terms of it's battery life and portability, and that would mean going for a low-power-consumption chip.
 
This is my speculation. I posted a thread, here, last January when Nvidia announced project denver.
 
Might I direct some of you naysayers to an archived thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/128198/

When the Intel switch was a rumor, everyone was calling shenanigans..

I'm not saying this rumor is true, but I am saying "never say never". They are Apple, they will make it work no matter what processor they go with. :)
Yes but, Intel > PowerPC. People saying it would never happen in that thread are just talking with emotions instead of logic. ARM has NOTHING to compete with Intel in the desktop/laptop market, NOTHING. This is why the smart folks are calling this one BS. It would be akin to switching your F1 race car from a Ferrari engine to a Chrysler, you just wouldn't do it, not to mention the fact that Chrysler doesn't even have a suitable engine (in the same way ARM doesn't have a suitable processor).

...they'd have to have something pretty damn revolutionary and powerful. And it would have to run on sunshine and export cookies and rainbows. :D
Exactly and they don't.
 
I don't think it will happen anytime soon, however, I can see how the idea would be very appealing to Apple. Imagine if you could develop apps that would just run on all Apple devices, there would be just one AppStore. But practically speaking I can't see this advantage outweighing the huge effort to make such a transition, at least not yet anyway.

Power consumption is the real issue. There's no way, at the present time, to deliver desktop quality speeds to a tablet withot them being enormous due to battery size or tethered to a power cable due constantly.

And, the bar is moving upward -- desktops keep getting faster, and as they get faster the applications written for them get bigger and fancier to accommodate the additional hardware muscle.

It's going to take a revolutionary breakthrough to converge the markets -- and if I had to place bets, I'd bet heavily on Intel making that breakthrough before I put a dime on ARM.
 
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Oh please no! Intel are so good at CPU innovation.

No more boot camp presumably either!!
 
Intel, on the other hand, have already publicly admitted that they are way behind in the mobile/handheld end of the market. For sure they can rectify that, but if I were designing a new tablet today or in the next 6-12 months, I would have no reason to choose anything other than Arm.
If I were designing a laptop today, I would make damn sure that it did what an iPad can do in terms of it's battery life and portability, and that would mean going for a low-power-consumption chip.

If I'm designing a laptop today, I would make damn sure it can do mostly everything that my desktop line can do -- and that means it needs an Intel chip and the ability to run desktop-class applications.

If you want to become a Netbook vendor, by all means switch to low-power ARM stuff. But, be prepared to lose a large segment of your user base who needs raw processing power to do stuff.
 
Anything can happen in that time frame. So, all of Apple's computers are on ARM. Does that mean that all of ARM are NOT made by Intel? And does that mean that OSX can NOT be sold to still run on Intel using a Dell computer? Microsoft makes a good living selling just software... Just because OSX now only runs on Apple doesn't mean it ALWAYS has to run on just Apple. There are a lot of options in the real world that are often ignored.
 
That's brilliant! Thanks for the laugh. I saw tons of people posting "This will make me give up Apple after x years as a loyal customer! I'm never buying a Mac again if they go Intel," so I clicked on their profiles and... yes, they all have multiple Intel Macs. :D

Not to mention that after Apple acquired PA Semi, all those people said Apple would never build their own ARM chips and if they would that would take them years to build them from scratch. Few months later Apple introduced A4 chips.
 
Learn your history.

Still, a transition of their Mac line over to a different processor architecture is hard to accept. While Apple did previously succeed in such a transition in the past with the PowerPC to Intel transition

Crimminy. Are you so young or forgetful? Apple started out with the 6500 architecture, moved to the 68000 family of chips, then to PowerPC and then to Intel and to ARM. They've done these sorts of transitions many times. Go read your history.
 
Since we're all fortune tellers, I consulted my own crystal ball and saw...

a 64-core ARM gangbang around a skinny data stream...

...and total integration with iOS (OS XI).
 
JL Gasse predicted this, or suggested that Apple *should* do this a few months ago. He claimed the chips are better.
 
Sorry, this rumor is nothing but a fantasy cooked up by someone who hates Apple and wants to spread FUD about the company. Apple makes moves where they gain a COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE, but moving to ARM would put them in a COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGE. There is NO SUCH THING as "fast enough" on a desktop / laptop PC / MAC. If you build it, someone will find a way to use it to its capability.

Does Apple plan to release notebooks in 2013 that are SLOWER than today's MBP? If so then they will switch to ARM...

Not to mention the massive binary compatibility problem...

All this to save 30 mins battery life and a few dollars... no, not going to happen. Apple will see their market share disappear if they make this move, it would be Mac suicide.
 
I don't believe it, but if this turns out to be true, apple will have lost a customer. While one person may not account for much, I'm unwilling to move backwards onto a platform that makes life harder for me.
 
just rumor, the relationship's apple and intel is very good now

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SemiAccurate claims to have heard that Apple will be transitioning from Intel processors to ARM processors in the not too distant future. The site seems to believe that the transition will take place after ARM has moved to full 64-bit cores which won't likely be until at least mid-2013. Apple has made a heavy investment in the ARM architecture which presently powers their iOS line of products. Apple even made the bold move to take ARM processor design in house with the acquisition P.A. Semi and Intrinsity.

Still, a transition of their Mac line over to a different processor architecture is hard to accept. While Apple did previously succeed in such a transition in the past with the PowerPC to Intel transition, it was not without an incredible amount of engineering to ease the process. Existing Mac applications would be unable to run on the new ARM processors without some sort of emulation layer. Mac applications would have to be recompiled to support the ARM processors.

While ARM is known for their low power processors, last year they announced plans to move into high-performance computing in the future, and has been rumored to moving into the 64-bit space as well. SemiAccurate has not been a frequent source of Apple-related rumors, but they do point out they were correct in predicting that Apple would move away from NVIDIA GPUs in their computers.

Article Link: Apple to Move from Intel to ARM Processors in Future Laptops?


Charlie Demerjian has to be laughing his ass off right now for starting the rumor Apple's going to dump Intel for ARM!


Perhaps Apple should spend it's massive cash on a security software company. With OS X getting more popular the hackers are starting to find Apple Macs more inviting....
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/...658-billion-cash-reserve-on/12669?tag=nl.e539
 
Yea... and the world is supposed to end on May 21st.

Anybody can make claims... it's actually not that hard. What's interesting is that throughout human history, certain individuals are more inclined to believe claims, without evidence, than others.
 
ARM has the potential to blow X86 out of the water, both in performance and power usage. Intel has been wanting to move away from X86 for years. Perhaps Intel is moving to an ARM based architecture.

I can see ARM taking the low end of the laptop market and the high end of the server market and leaving the middle to X86 for the moment.
 
If I'm designing a laptop today, I would make damn sure it can do mostly everything that my desktop line can do -- and that means it needs an Intel chip and the ability to run desktop-class applications.

If you want to become a Netbook vendor, by all means switch to low-power ARM stuff. But, be prepared to lose a large segment of your user base who needs raw processing power to do stuff.

You're missing the point and living in the present. In five years time we won't need laptops with huge processing power and storage because our whole way of using computers will have changed. Things will be much more server-based and the apps on a portable machine will be little more than gateways to those servers. Need a big screen? Then plug one in when you're back in the office.

Having said that, an iPad (even now when tablets are still in their first generation stage) can do some incredible things with apps like Garage Band, iMovie and iPhoto, things that would have taxed a desktop only a few years ago. No-one complains about iPads being slow.

There are of course people who will need raw processing power. They will be running the servers that dish out your apps, databases and stored files, for you to manipulate on the move with a smaller, faster, lighter, less power-hungry machine. And by 2015 those servers could even be Arm-powered....possibly even fabbed by Intel.
 
You're missing the point and living in the present. In five years time we won't need laptops with huge processing power and storage because our whole way of using computers will have changed. Things will be much more server-based and the apps on a portable machine will be little more than gateways to those servers. Need a big screen? Then plug one in when you're back in the office.

Having said that, an iPad (even now when tablets are still in their first generation stage) can do some incredible things with apps like Garage Band, iMovie and iPhoto, things that would have taxed a desktop only a few years ago. No-one complains about iPads being slow.

There are of course people who will need raw processing power. They will be running the servers that dish out your apps, databases and stored files, for you to manipulate on the move with a smaller, faster, lighter, less power-hungry machine. And by 2015 those servers could even be Arm-powered....possibly even fabbed by Intel.

ok

the financials of running a cloud infrastructure as a service are that you have to oversubscribe to make money on it. this fad might last a few years but the reason people went from mainframes to PC's was because the mainframes were expensive and even your tiny virtual slice had to be begged for and paid for in blood.

i love vmware, but it has a lot of limitations in the real world. same with amazon's cloud service.

smartphones and tablets are the next step in the trend. more power to the user but now everywhere they go.
 
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