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Nope, Lithium-ion, when manufactured and used properly, is the most effective battery technology.

Unfortunately, Apple doesn't seem to put much emphasis on producing really safe, non-swelling, non-dying-after-half-a-year batteries, unlike, say, Nokia. But that's not the problem of the Li-Ion tech itself (as is proved by numerous other Li-Ion manufacturers), but that of Apple.

Never had a problem with, or have heard of a problem with iPhone batteries. Maybe I and my dozens of test devices are just lucky, but the batteries are still running great. Still on my iPhone 4s and can last a day as long as I don't have my face buried in it all day.

I think the argument that old Nokia phones last longer is because you can do far less with them so they are used more as a phone and occasional camera. If you are using a GPS app, of course your phone is going to die quickly. That's less of an issue with battery tech, and more of an issue of GPS tech requiring constant pings to satellites.
 
Clearly, Apple is doing a lot more to improve battery life and size than anyone else.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6914/samsung-galaxy-s-4-review/2

Sure, I believe that, but still not trying enough. I've heard of new types of batteries that can last for days using new techniques. I hope Apple will embrace any new kind of technology soon.

Don't get me wrong, I like my iPhone 5, but the battery-life is just not good enough for me. That's why I'm using a battery case that keeps my iPhone "alife" during the day without having to worry that my iPhone will run out of battery.
 
It's not Apple hate, it's Socialist love where profit is evil.

No, it's not socialism love it's the hatred of unfettered, crony capitalism that evades taxes, hides income, sends jobs to third world countries, and various other shady back door dealings that is the new in thing for corporations to do now.

I know the laizze faire capitalists LOVE slave labor and tax evasion but not everyone does. OK? ;)
 
Never had a problem with, or have heard of a problem with iPhone batteries. Maybe I and my dozens of test devices are just lucky, but the batteries are still running great. Still on my iPhone 4s and can last a day as long as I don't have my face buried in it all day..

Try tracking with your iPhone 4s a several hours of walking while taking pictures and listening to music. A daily exercise for me that would be simply impossible without using a battery case. Sure, turn everything of, brightness, bluetooth, wifi, geo location, updates and don't use your phone with the exception of having two phone calls, yes then everything is fine. ;)

But I like to use my iPhone for tracking and even tough with brightness settings on low, wifi on off and all the extra things like animated buttons, moving backgrounds and other side things that drain battery life turned off you can't do the things with it for many hours straight without an extra battery on it.
 
I wish they also invested their time in researching ways to improves batteries.

iPad 1: 10 h of battery life

iPad Air (10x more power): still 10 h of battery life

Yeah, they are doing absolutely nothing to improve battery life… :rolleyes:


… but still not trying enough. I've heard of new types of batteries that can last for days using new techniques. I hope Apple will embrace any new kind of technology soon.

If it would be that easy, Apple would've integrated this new technology as early as possible. Just because they would be far ahead of their competitors.
 
Too bad Apple can't invest more of this ingenuity toward improving the battery life and size, instead of focusing on automating a subpar product.

But every year we expect Apple to come out with something more powerful then last year. Then we whine if it does not have a Retina display. All this at a cost of more battery power.

They have come a long way in getting better batteries. But the hardware is advancing faster then the technology for batteries that can't keep up.
 
maybe i can get through an entire day with an iphone 6 doing a bit of web surfing and listening to music on half brightness and wifi without charging. Certainly can't on my 4S :'(

I get a days usage easily on my iPhone 4, Playing music, Surfing the web, whatever i want to do with the Phone i get a days use out of it using IOS 7.1. Not smug at all :D
 
Never had a problem with, or have heard of a problem with iPhone batteries. Maybe I and my dozens of test devices are just lucky, but the batteries are still running great. Still on my iPhone 4s and can last a day as long as I don't have my face buried in it all day.

1, you are lucky. My iPhone 5 needed to be exchanged by Apple because of the battery dying (which is pretty widely reported here in the MR forums too).

2, your 4S can only be 2.5 years old at most. That's not THAT much time.

I think the argument that old Nokia phones last longer is because you can do far less with them so they are used more as a phone and occasional camera. If you are using a GPS app, of course your phone is going to die quickly. That's less of an issue with battery tech, and more of an issue of GPS tech requiring constant pings to satellites.

My iPhone 3GS, purchased on release day (lined up for it for some 3-4 hours in the dawn) wasn't used for mapping either. Still, I needed to exchange its battery after 3 years of pretty light service because it wouldn't hold a charge for more than a few hours. (Fortunately, the given batch wasn't affected by the "swollen battery" syndrome depicted in my flickr shots.) Compared to that, my Nokia N95, which I (my wife) don't use less than the 3GS, is still going pretty strong with its original, 2007 battery.

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Clearly, Apple is doing a lot more to improve battery life and size than anyone else.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6914/samsung-galaxy-s-4-review/2

Too bad these kinds of benchmarks don't have any info on how the battery behaves after 1-2-3-4 years. In which Apple's batteries haven't been particularly strong. Even the ones not dying after half a year (many iPhone 5's, incl. mine so I have first-hand info on these bad batches) or swell (many iPhone 3G S') typically reduce their charge-keeping capability faster than, say, high-end Nokia models (e.g., the N95).
 
True, he/she/it doesn't. But I'm not that surprised, lot's of people world wide like to think in simplistic slogans, especially ones that represents their fears for the great unknown. ;)

dankzij meneer .... Ik zal terugkeren naar Nederland.
 
Sure, I believe that, but still not trying enough. I've heard of new types of batteries that can last for days using new techniques. I hope Apple will embrace any new kind of technology soon.

Don't get me wrong, I like my iPhone 5, but the battery-life is just not good enough for me. That's why I'm using a battery case that keeps my iPhone "alife" during the day without having to worry that my iPhone will run out of battery.

It's a design decision on the battery capacity, and Apple is able to get more efficiency out of that capacity than any other vendor on the market, but it doesn't meet everyone's needs. So the question is whether Apple designs for the outliers or the masses, and as one of the masses, I've only ever had a problem with battery power on an 8 hour trip to Bend, OR; no lightning cable, and 55% battery to start.
 
Huge amounts of research is done in this field, whether by Apple or by companies that they use to provide technology. If we are talking battery life, I wish they would make their devices just a bit less thin to enable a larger battery and hence a longer life. The battery life on my 5S is just not good enough, as far as I am concerned. There is nothing wrong with the battery technology. Rather, it is too small due to Apple's obsession with thinness. I hate going out for the day, perhaps travelling abroad, and having to think about rationing what I can afford to do with it if the battery is to survive the day. That really is just silly.

Bingo...this obsession with thinness its getting us nowhere - keep the freaking thickness/size the same as the 4S and put it on 4.7 chasis and you will see a 12-20 hour talk time and standby in a week or more.

No much hope - you know they will claim the thinnest in the world for the iphone 6 - bummer.
 
1, you are lucky. My iPhone 5 needed to be exchanged by Apple because of the battery dying (which is pretty widely reported here in the MR forums too).

2, your 4S can only be 2.5 years old at most. That's not THAT much time.



My iPhone 3GS, purchased on release day (lined up for it for some 3-4 hours in the dawn) wasn't used for mapping either. Still, I needed to exchange its battery after 3 years of pretty light service because it wouldn't hold a charge for more than a few hours. (Fortunately, the given batch wasn't affected by the "swollen battery" syndrome depicted in my flickr shots.) Compared to that, my Nokia N95, which I (my wife) don't use less than the 3GS, is still going pretty strong with its original, 2007 battery.

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Too bad these kinds of benchmarks don't have any info on how the battery behaves after 1-2-3-4 years. In which Apple's batteries haven't been particularly strong. Even the ones not dying after half a year (many iPhone 5's, incl. mine so I have first-hand info on these bad batches) or swell (many iPhone 3G S') typically reduce their charge-keeping capability faster than, say, high-end Nokia models (e.g., the N95).

I don't believe that your or anyone else's anecdotes are accurate sampling of the population of iPhone users, nor do I buy your statement with regard to Nokia.
 
Sad to see that the world is going to be out of more jobs than ever going forward in time. Lets predict by 2040 majority of the assembly lines will be automated putting majority of the world out of work....increasing crime, poverty and the list goes on....



I'm not saying jus because Apple is moving into this direction but if any of you have read the news lately, there are many other companies laying off workers to go automated. This would be the right time for governments to propose a law that forces companies to to keep 3/5 of their workforce human. I understand with every business its always a goal to "Maximize profits" but there comes a time that you do have to give back to the people who you are selling your goods to.
 
If apple does release a 5.7" tab... I mean phone, there's no doubt it will have have at least a 2000 mah battery, so there should be a big increase in battery life.
 
Sad to see that the world is going to be out of more jobs than ever going forward in time. Lets predict by 2040 majority of the assembly lines will be automated putting majority of the world out of work....increasing crime, poverty and the list goes on....

Great comment! I was browsing through here and most people are complaining about battery life, which of course would be nice to have but it seems like people are ignoring the main problem of automation - no jobs.

I listened to a great show on coast to coast where they mention how the world isn't ready for automation and all the perils we face in the next 15 years due to things like this. Humanity will be in for a rude awakening. Actually we're already in it!
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2014/03/19
 
Sad to see that the world is going to be out of more jobs than ever going forward in time. Lets predict by 2040 majority of the assembly lines will be automated putting majority of the world out of work....increasing crime, poverty and the list goes on....



I'm not saying jus because Apple is moving into this direction but if any of you have read the news lately, there are many other companies laying off workers to go automated. This would be the right time for governments to propose a law that forces companies to to keep 3/5 of their workforce human. I understand with every business its always a goal to "Maximize profits" but there comes a time that you do have to give back to the people who you are selling your goods to.

In the good old days companies kept jobs here and were satisfied with very good profits and weren't afraid to share more of it with the workforce. Now, the goal is to satisfy the appetites of a few grumpy investors who'd have products made by toddlers at gunpoint if the world allowed it. Maximizing profit is a HELLUVA lot different than exploiting people and destroying communities.

It's not socialism to share profits with the workforce even though workers are mostly HATED by CEOs and investors. It's never enough profit. Hundred trillion billion million and it's NOT enough. They'll only be happy when a small handful of people have all the wealth. Because that's fair and reasonable. Great. They worked harder than the rest of us..... Classic line from the one percenters.....
 
I wish they also invested their time in researching ways to improves batteries.

Right, because Apple can only invest in one thing at a time.

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In the good old days companies kept jobs here and were satisfied with very good profits and weren't afraid to share more of it with the workforce. Now, the goal is to satisfy the appetites of a few grumpy investors who'd have products made by toddlers at gunpoint if the world allowed it. Maximizing profit is a HELLUVA lot different than exploiting people and destroying communities.

It's not socialism to share profits with the workforce even though workers are mostly HATED by CEOs and investors. It's never enough profit. Hundred trillion billion million and it's NOT enough. They'll only be happy when a small handful of people have all the wealth. Because that's fair and reasonable. Great. They worked harder than the rest of us..... Classic line from the one percenters.....

Did you actually live in the "good old days" or just waxing nostalgic about a time you never actually experienced?

Humanity isn't all that different now than they were 50 years ago. But people always seem to want to go back to the "good old days" where life was peaches and roses.
 
I wish they also invested their time in researching ways to improves batteries.

Too bad Apple can't invest more of this ingenuity toward improving the battery life and size, instead of focusing on automating a subpar product.
To have longer lasting batteries you need to have a more effecient chemical reaction take place inside the battery. So unless you know of a different & more effecient chemical reaction, we're stuck with what we have.
 
Tesla is building a solar and wind-powered $5 billion dollar battery plant in the US. That means US taxes and environmental and worker protection. Gasp!
 
I don't believe that your or anyone else's anecdotes are accurate sampling of the population of iPhone users, nor do I buy your statement with regard to Nokia.

No one forces you to do it. I, being a dev, have a large amounts of iPads and iPhones (basically, most iPhone / iPad / iPt models) and, being a mobility pro, also routinely service iPhones (exchanging batteries etc.) at work for my workmates (several hundred people). So I've seen / serviced a lot more iDevices than you, I'm afraid.

Neither do you need to believe the people stating the same, particularly WRT the swelling 3GS and dying iPhone 5 batteries, in this very forum. No one forces you. I let you love your Apple.
 
Great comment! I was browsing through here and most people are complaining about battery life, which of course would be nice to have but it seems like people are ignoring the main problem of automation - no jobs.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2014/03/19

You realize they said the same thing about Computers 50 years ago. That it would drive secretaries (and others) out of jobs. Actually, instead a whole industry was created. Besides, the amount of iPhones Apple expects to sell with the next refresh, means anyone who loses a job making batteries will just get moved to the assembly line for building the phone.
 
Battery life

I've never understood iPhone battery life problems.

I have a iPhone cable plugged into my computer at home and at work and in my car (and wall charger to charge overnight). If I'm going to be in any of those places for a while, I plug it in (same goes for my laptop). Voila, it's generally at 100% when I walk away from any of those places.

1) Why "wear out" the battery when I don't need to?

2) I like my phone fully charged! OCD!

3) When I'm plugged in to the computer I'm more apt to do a sync that I occasionally forget to do when charging on the wall.

What if there is a crisis and I need a phone? I do not want to be on the last 5% that I was trying to eek out and make it through the day.

What if I get trapped somewhere for hours? I'd like to be able to enjoy some of the features of my phone and not be worried about the battery...

But, I've always been battery OCD-ish. I'm never the guy you'll hear say that my camera battery isn't charged (spare SD cards too!) or my laptop or flashlight. I see NO point in carrying this stuff around uncharged (they don't weight that much more when the battery is full).

Gary
 
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