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Bingo...this obsession with thinness its getting us nowhere - keep the freaking thickness/size the same as the 4S and put it on 4.7 chasis and you will see a 12-20 hour talk time and standby in a week or more.

No much hope - you know they will claim the thinnest in the world for the iphone 6 - bummer.

No you won't. Because in that case Apple would put more powerful hardware inside the phone that would make the battery life more or less the same. They could have improved battery life almost 10 fold by now simply by not putting in more and more silicone. But the current battery life is accepted by the masses, meaning that any bigger case would result in the same battery life but faster microprocessor and more memory etc.
 
Great comment! I was browsing through here and most people are complaining about battery life, which of course would be nice to have but it seems like people are ignoring the main problem of automation - no jobs.

I listened to a great show on coast to coast where they mention how the world isn't ready for automation and all the perils we face in the next 15 years due to things like this. Humanity will be in for a rude awakening. Actually we're already in it!
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2014/03/19

Ya, the young generation doesn't seem to understand what the future is gonna be like if things continue in this reckless manner as they are right now. [I'm in my mind 20's but it concerns me], I mean many of our parents worked hard and saved for us, but majority of the young generation I don't see even thinking about next day....how are they planning to feed their "wants" --- I truly have no idea....

and as you mentioned....it is sad that people are concerned about the electronics and their specs instead of their futures when such things are announced....I guess most of these people also like living on paycheck to paycheck [that is if they can even get a job to manage that] and not having a comfortable life style...
 
I'm never the guy you'll hear say that my camera battery isn't charged (spare SD cards too!) or my laptop or flashlight. I see NO point in carrying this stuff around uncharged (they don't weight that much more when the battery is full).

Gary


Yup, with Lithium-based batteries (as opposed to old Nickel-based ones requiring discharging to avoid memory effect), this is the right way to go. Don't listen to people that state the opposite - full discharges are not needed for Lithium batteries. They're only help calibrating the iDevice's battery meter providing visual feedback but have no other functions.
 
Sad to see that the world is going to be out of more jobs than ever going forward in time. Lets predict by 2040 majority of the assembly lines will be automated putting majority of the world out of work....increasing crime, poverty and the list goes on....



I'm not saying jus because Apple is moving into this direction but if any of you have read the news lately, there are many other companies laying off workers to go automated. This would be the right time for governments to propose a law that forces companies to to keep 3/5 of their workforce human. I understand with every business its always a goal to "Maximize profits" but there comes a time that you do have to give back to the people who you are selling your goods to.

What a steaming crock of dookey. YOU and people like you are the problem with your detestable attitudes of wanting everything to be "fair" and to be provided for by some government and its laws. What a delusional and pathetic dream world you're living in!

Automation is here to stay, and though it may seem like its purpose is to get rid of jobs, its REAL purpose is to increase production. Companies can't wait around for you laggards to get off your lazy duffs and actually be worth a paycheck.

What you don't seem to realize is that they're actually doing you a favor in effectively making it necessary for potential employees to have marketable skills. Oh, you have a diploma, you say? Well, how can it be worth anything if you cheated and partied your way through school?

All you have to do is to finally get honest with yourself and suck it up and look around to see what you might possibly enjoy doing that someone would want to pay you to do. Then learn how to do it. Then find a job that lets you do it.

And chose something that a computer is very unlikely able to do better.

Get busy!
 
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I've been replacing my battery after about a year or two of ownership. That should definitely be part of everyone's iPhone ownership. A fresh battery after a year and half of using my iPhone 5 is great. I can still kill it in a day, but it takes some work. And I get predictable usage levels out of it again.

I replaced my GF's iphone 5 battery this weekend. She can definitely kill it in a day. But her's was so shot that it would often die after only six hours of usage (granted she is often playing music, doing emails, checking FB, and other stuff). A fresh battery should be part of your plan if you want to own an iPhone longer than year.
 
Ya, the young generation doesn't seem to understand what the future is gonna be like if things continue in this reckless manner as they are right now. [I'm in my mind 20's but it concerns me], I mean many of our parents worked hard and saved for us, but majority of the young generation I don't see even thinking about next day....how are they planning to feed their "wants" --- I truly have no idea....

and as you mentioned....it is sad that people are concerned about the electronics and their specs instead of their futures when such things are announced....I guess most of these people also like living on paycheck to paycheck [that is if they can even get a job to manage that] and not having a comfortable life style...

Wait, are you talking about the 60's or today? A lot of young folks today are afraid to buy a house or car because they worry about the future and their ability to afford it. On the other hand, people a bit older borrowed hand over fist to have everything they wanted and thought they deserved. Our kids are stuck paying for that borrowing / spending orgy.

Back OT, battery performance has improved quite a bit over the years. You no longer have to worry about memory, lithium batteries are lightweight, less self discharge. Along with that, devices are more powerful while using less energy. Sure, why can't things get better, faster. If anyone wants to learn chemistry, the opportunity is out there waiting for you to show the world the next leap in battery technology.
 
Sad to see that the world is going to be out of more jobs than ever going forward in time. Lets predict by 2040 majority of the assembly lines will be automated putting majority of the world out of work....increasing crime, poverty and the list goes on....

I'm not saying jus because Apple is moving into this direction but if any of you have read the news lately, there are many other companies laying off workers to go automated. This would be the right time for governments to propose a law that forces companies to to keep 3/5 of their workforce human. I understand with every business its always a goal to "Maximize profits" but there comes a time that you do have to give back to the people who you are selling your goods to.


How much do you think a company could afford to pay someone to assemble batteries?

How much would you need to be paid to accept a job where you spend all day assembling batteries?

These aren't quality jobs that would help people provide a nice living for their families. These are the worst jobs in the world and the only way to get people to do them is to either find the desperate (outsource to places like China) or pay people huge amounts of money to compensate for the sheer tedium of the work.

One of those options gets bad press, the other puts you out of business.

Please don't morn these jobs.
 
Huge amounts of research is done in this field, whether by Apple or by companies that they use to provide technology. If we are talking battery life, I wish they would make their devices just a bit less thin to enable a larger battery and hence a longer life. The battery life on my 5S is just not good enough, as far as I am concerned. There is nothing wrong with the battery technology. Rather, it is too small due to Apple's obsession with thinness. I hate going out for the day, perhaps travelling abroad, and having to think about rationing what I can afford to do with it if the battery is to survive the day. That really is just silly.

Disagree. I would rather have a thin phone and invest in a alternate battery case for the days I may need it. In fact, that is just what I have done.
 
True, he/she/it doesn't. But I'm not that surprised, lot's of people world wide like to think in simplistic slogans, especially ones that represents their fears for the great unknown. ;)

Ok, this is as simplistic as I can make it for you:

Capitalism > Socialism

I don't fear socialism, I fear the effects of it on a free society. Oh, and by the way, socialists don't "ask" for money. They demand it and then take it. As Margaret Thatcher once said "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."

The battery will become as important as the free market makes it, no more, no less. If you don't like the technology of the iPhone battery, the lifespan or the life a single charge or the amount of research that Apple dedicates to battery research then by all means buy something else. That is the only way (and the BEST way) to force Apple to change.

Other than the above, the rest of the anti-capitalist drivel is.... well its drivel. Socialism never succeeds on it's own but rather it waits for capitalism to succeed then jumps the successful society like a parasite, often sucking it dry of what made it successful in the first place.




Otherwise, I have no real opinion on the subject......
 
In the good old days companies kept jobs here and were satisfied with very good profits and weren't afraid to share more of it with the workforce. Now, the goal is to satisfy the appetites of a few grumpy investors who'd have products made by toddlers at gunpoint if the world allowed it. Maximizing profit is a HELLUVA lot different than exploiting people and destroying communities.

It's not socialism to share profits with the workforce even though workers are mostly HATED by CEOs and investors. It's never enough profit. Hundred trillion billion million and it's NOT enough. They'll only be happy when a small handful of people have all the wealth. Because that's fair and reasonable. Great. They worked harder than the rest of us..... Classic line from the one percenters.....

Dude - YOU control what happens via your spending habits. If you don't like the way a company does business than don't buy from them. If enough people agree with you, then Apple will change to meet market demand. Whining on MR is annoying and gets nothing done. Find a phone manufacturer that makes its products more to YOUR liking and spend your money there. It really is that simple.
 
I wish they also invested their time in researching ways to improves batteries.

Since we're not inside Apple and don't know anything about their research projects or battery chemistry trials, I don't think any outsider is qualified to make such a comment. What do you think they do all day - play chess?

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Great for Apple.
Bad for the people out of work because of this.

"Bad"?

People complain because they say workers are being exploited and abused working for Apple, and then other people complain when the potential for those people to (supposedly) be abused is removed, by replacing them with machines.

You can't please most people, they just like to find the negative in every situation; you have just demonstrated that.
 
C'mon Apple how hard can it be to improve the battery? You just need to defy the laws of chemistry. Get with it already!
 
C'mon Apple how hard can it be to improve the battery? You just need to defy the laws of chemistry. Get with it already!


Hah, yes :D

Consumers see the name "Apple", and see:

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Since we're not inside Apple and don't know anything about their research projects or battery chemistry trials, I don't think any outsider is qualified to make such a comment. What do you think they do all day - play chess?

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"Bad"?

People complain because they say workers are being exploited and abused working for Apple, and then other people complain when the potential for those people to (supposedly) be abused is removed, by replacing them with machines.

You can't please most people, they just like to find the negative in every situation; you have just demonstrated that.

Well they did say "Great" for apple and "bad" for those out of a job. That is as balanced as a comment as they come nowadays. Every decision or situation has a polarity attached to it, that's the balance of the universe. You just demonstrated that while the commentator praised Apple, you only focused on the negative part of his comment.

Now, if you can follow up on how it's great for Apple, the balance in the universe will be restored :)
 
Me too. Some iPhone batches had the worst batteries I've ever seen in a mobile phone:

- 3GS and the swelling batteries - see my own shots at http://www.flickr.com/photos/33448355@N07/sets/72157633931601917/

- iPhone 5 and the batteries completely dying after half a year - same happened to me.

So much for "legendary" Apple "quality"...

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Seeing is believing... too many iPhone models / batches were plagued by substandard or downright cr@ppy batteries...

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"Form over functionality"

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6 hours' battery life with a less than 4-year-old battery? That isn't very good... for example, my 2007 Nokia N95 still delivers way better battery life with its original battery.

Yes, Nokia has always used far better-quality batteries than Apple. No wonder they don't swell / die on users after half a year / deliver 6 hours of life after 4 years.

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Well, given the cr@ppy batteries Apple uses (used in several batches), I certainly wouldn't think so. Nokia has always used far better ones.

I noticed you used batches multiple times.
 
In the good old days companies kept jobs here and were satisfied with very good profits and weren't afraid to share more of it with the workforce. Now, the goal is to satisfy the appetites of a few grumpy investors who'd have products made by toddlers at gunpoint if the world allowed it. Maximizing profit is a HELLUVA lot different than exploiting people and destroying communities.

It's not socialism to share profits with the workforce even though workers are mostly HATED by CEOs and investors. It's never enough profit. Hundred trillion billion million and it's NOT enough. They'll only be happy when a small handful of people have all the wealth. Because that's fair and reasonable. Great. They worked harder than the rest of us..... Classic line from the one percenters.....


The 'good old days' you describe only exist in your imagination.
 
If the iMac is made by a machine why isn't it made in america/country it is sold to?. Wouldn't that make it cheaper due to less shipping?

Shipping costs nearly zero. One contains costs a few hundred dollars and holds thousands of phones or hundreds of Macs.

I think you will see a slow move back to making things in the US. But not many new jobs. In the long run this means higher productivity and standard of living.

Believe me you do NOT want a huge Foxconn-like plant in the US. That would mean 100,000 minimum wage jobs. I say leave the low skill jobs to China.

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Great for Apple.
Bad for the people out of work because of this.

No. That is not what the article said. They have a labor shortage. This move will free up people who now make batteries to do more complex jobs like build the iPhone 6.

If you are willing to work 60 hours a week in a low skill, low pay factory job, there are jobs available. In fact, why are they working such long hours? Because there is more work to do than people. No one will be un-employed by this.
 
....We’ve invested over $20 million to build the computer industry’s first automated factory in Fremont, California, overlooking Ford and GM. The factory’s based on the concepts of just-in-time delivery, of zero-defect parts, and it’s a manufacturing process which allows extremely high-volume production of extremely high-quality products. And were it not for this shareholders meeting today, we’d be building over 500 Macintoshes."...


Those were the days.... Back when $20M was a lot of money to spend on a factory and back when 500 Macs was "a lot of Macs" Today both numbers are trivial. Apple is 1000 times bigger now.

That is what drove Apple to China. They wanted to make 1,000,000 not 500. They need tens and hundreds of thousands of workers.

Could you imagine a factory in Fremont hiring 100,000 people who were willing to accept a low-skill factory job. They would have to do what the Chinese did and hire farm workers, who else would take the job. But if they did, what would we all eat, who'd pick the tomatoes and oranges? China is about the only place to find that many people.

Automation will solve this but it is not easy to build a machine that can do some of these jobs.
 
I noticed you used batches multiple times.

Yup, not all 3GS devices had / have deficient batteries. As you can also make out my shot at http://www.flickr.com/photos/33448355@N07/8953009896/in/set-72157633931601917/lightbox/ , 3GS batteries with a S/N starting with AE/AE9/AE94/AE941/AE9414/AE94149 etc. are affected. (I don't know how many of them. The S/N of the two affected 3GS devices I've serviced differed by 593-585 = 8. These two 3GS phones were purchased in late 2009 by my employer at the same time for dev purposes.) On the other hand, batteries starting with YW92...., purchased by me right on the first dawn of the European premiere (31/07/2009) shows no swelling (the battery on the left).

EDIT: nevertheless, the Web is full of other 3GS battery swelling images / reports, not only in the AE94149xxxx serial number region. That is, this problem wasn't just a problem of, at best, a batch consisting of 8 devices.
 
I don't fear socialism, I fear the effects of it on a free society. Socialism never succeeds on it's own but rather it waits for capitalism to succeed then jumps the successful society like a parasite, often sucking it dry of what made it successful in the first place.

????

Seriously, this is satire right?

I shall not respond to much due of the fact we get all political here on a Mac / Apple based forum. One tip though, don't fear socialism to much, it doesn't bring you anywhere. One last thing though, socialism is not an entity as you're suggesting when addressing socialism as 'it waits'....


The battery will become as important as the free market makes it, no more, no less. If you don't like the technology of the iPhone battery, the lifespan or the life a single charge or the amount of research that Apple dedicates to battery research then by all means buy something else. That is the only way (and the BEST way) to force Apple to change.

Other than the above, the rest of the anti-capitalist drivel is.... well its drivel. Socialism never succeeds on it's own but rather it waits for capitalism to succeed then jumps the successful society like a parasite, often sucking it dry of what made it successful in the first place.....

So.... to criticize a company on the quality of batteries they produce is anti-capitalist drivel..... ahum, yeps, I admit, lost you there. I find it also hard to understand what socialism has to do with criticizing Apple for the quality of the batteries they produce. But I guess that's just me...
 
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Ok, this is as simplistic as I can make it for you:



Capitalism > Socialism



I don't fear socialism, I fear the effects of it on a free society. Oh, and by the way, socialists don't "ask" for money. They demand it and then take it. As Margaret Thatcher once said "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."



The battery will become as important as the free market makes it, no more, no less. If you don't like the technology of the iPhone battery, the lifespan or the life a single charge or the amount of research that Apple dedicates to battery research then by all means buy something else. That is the only way (and the BEST way) to force Apple to change.



Other than the above, the rest of the anti-capitalist drivel is.... well its drivel. Socialism never succeeds on it's own but rather it waits for capitalism to succeed then jumps the successful society like a parasite, often sucking it dry of what made it successful in the first place.









Otherwise, I have no real opinion on the subject......


Every modern society is a mixture of capitalism and socialism, as it should be.
 
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