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"Apple has conducted investigation on Foxconn, and they believe the main reason for the suicide jumps is related to the employees’ low wages."

No way does Apple conduct an investigation and openly claim that the suicides are related to low wages. That just opens up a plethora of problems.
 
Do tell, please.

They're killing themselves to get the financial payout for their families.

So the problem is "they don't have enough money." You think "giving them more money" isn't the solution to that problem. So you must have a better plan. So why are you holding out on us? Please tell.

HAHA, what payout, this is china, not USA, I can't see them having any payout when there are no laws in place to protect workers.
 
$1.50 an iPad doesn't hurt us and if it makes a real difference over there then great! It would be nice if solving our low income problems were so easy. That may be as much as $30,000 per day being distributed among the iPad assembly employees. Any idea how much that would be per person?

Anyone know if there is any precedent for this? I wouldn't be surprised if Apple may be thinking about being a trail blazer.
 
So now all the employees will start to kill each other to get on the :apple: product lines.

If it works, I'm sure other well known brands will start doing the same thing. This is much easier then building your own companies in China (like Motorola) or trying to ensure good environmental practices.
 
So now all the employees will start to kill each other to get on the :apple: product lines.

Or the best employees end up on the Apple lines. Foxconn could look at it as an additional raise.

If it works, I'm sure other well known brands will start doing the same thing. This is much easier then building your own companies in China like Motorola. Just sending some money is much easier then ensuring good environmental practices and looks just as good on the socially responsible score card.

Edit: Sorry for the dup. Somehow it posted when I was still writing.
 
Dear FoxConn Employees,

For every day you do not kill yourself, we will pay you $1.00. This will be paid at the end of the day, and if you kill yourself during the middle of the day, no partial payments will be made.

Sincerely,

Apple
 
Wow, this is really touching. :)

The people that work and live there deserve a fair living wage as much as anyone. If other manufacturers follow suit, maybe the workers there will actually be able to afford some of the products they are manufacturing, and you create a whole new base of customers.

Way to actually address the problem rather just playing defense about it and dusting it under the rug like most every other corporation would. Bravo Apple.

Now incorporate a 4.3" AMOLED screen into your next iPhone like HTC is doing to all their phones and your existing customers will stop complaining that they can't read webpages and ebooks on the current screen.
 
Working hours to 12 to 14 hours a day is not unusual even in usa. Die because of girl friend & gambling and then get some profit? :mad: Steve, move the factory into usa and save peoples starving to death witout job.
 
I feel like there's been a lot of Apple hate over this issue, as if Apple is somehow responsible for the almost* unethical treatment of factory workers in the production of their products. TBH, I really could care less about this or Apple, but since this can apply to any company, not just apple, I feel it needs some clarification for those less informed so I don't have to keep reading the crap.

*Almost depends on your definition of ethical and your interpretation of class, social systems, and society; its different for everyone

It seems like a lot when the media makes a fuss about every one but, if you consider that Foxconn employs something like 800,000 people, 10 isn't out of the ordinary.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/foremski/...-foxconn-significantly-cuts-suicide-risk/1356

First of, this. Entirely true. Statistics are statistics people. A certain percentage will kill themselves for various causes, thus is life. While reasons are varied (in this case, death payout), it all falls in line statistically, so where's the fire?

Second, as other more intelligent forum members have pointed out; the whole reason for the suicides was the funeral and death compensation, NOT being overworked. ~$10k USD is a pretty decent setup for your poverty stricken family in China, hence as another user posted, as the benefits go up, suicides go up. Once again, this is life, not some "evil" corporations fault. Oh, did you also know that these manufacturing facilities are having a harder time hiring people? The great labor pool is starting to lessen, and with that comes competition for workers and a naturally occurring higher salary. In other words, these workers aren't forced to be here as much as they used to; its becoming more and more by choice, just like with their overtime.

Third, lets talk about work conditions. Are they mistreated? No, not really. Are they forced to work those hours? No, not at all. Are they voluntarily putting in these hours to support their families? Yes. Where's the problem? Its no different from people taking multiple jobs... instead you get all your hours at one facility.

Oh, another thing, the n-Hexane-- this isn't any corporations fault, its the manufacturers. Contracts don't stipulate outer companies running the day to day operations of another independent company-- these factories simply supply a service via their own means. That's all upon the manufacturer, which appears to be taking care of it.

/rant.

Oh, and smallwhitecar is entirely right about the publicity thing; if Foxconn raises wages then the contract price and product price goes up, whereas if Apple instead pays the wage increases through the profit of the initial decreased cost, they look far far better. The money comes from the same place regardless, and Apple still makes less of a margin (unless they raise prices), the only difference is the public face.

EDIT: Oh, another thing. You guys do realize that there's at least 12 other companies that have products manufactured by Foxconn, right? Notice the lack of a media blitz on them? No percentage paybacks, no inquiries... nothing. But its all Apple's fault, right?
 
Some of the rights western labor movements needed to fight for decades would be a great start, wouldn't it? (A heritage which is too easy forgotten actually.)

The People's Republic of China is run by a labor union: the Communist Party. That union won all the rights it wanted by revolution and military victory. I'm would not be surprised if the all the labor union members (e.g. party officials) associated with Foxconn are doing quite well.

So just how much of a good start was winning those labor union rights? Google pigs and Orwell.
 
So no one else thinks that Apple will pass this little "bonus" onto customers??? I doubt Apple wants to reduce their profits so in order for this to work they will probably increase their prices
 
I can't believe people are complaning about this, what the hell is wrong with you guys? :confused:

This is a great thing that Apple is doing. Profit sharing is win win for everyone. The people there deserve a fair living wage. I think 1-1.5% of the iPad's profit to the people there would actually make for a solid living wage.

And hopefully, other manufacturers follow suit. It's time that the people through out Asia start earning enough money that they can be consumers as well, not just producers. The world right now needs more information consumers and creators, rather than hardware manufacturers.

This is a good step towards that end. Hopefully, better working conditions will follow suit soon after.

Complain about the fact that we're still stuck with a miniscule 3.5" screen on the iPhone and iPod, rather than the 4.3"-4.5" screens everyone is offering, about not being able to comfortably read ebooks or webpages on the current iPhone's screen, not about this. This is a good thing.
 
Working hours to 12 to 14 hours a day is not unusual even in usa. Die because of girl friend & gambling and then get some profit? :mad: Steve, move the factory into usa and save peoples starving to death witout job.

If it was that easy, we would be doing it already. There is no infrastructure here for electronics manufacturing. Our out of work citizens don't have any experience working in electronics manufacturing. If we have to build infrastructure it would make more sense to do it for new demand like car batteries and wind farms where it makes more sense to build infrastructure and train people. It's a good thing we are already doing this, so stop complaining. Despite having a lot of people out of work, things are better here. Look on the bright side.
 
So no one else thinks that Apple will pass this little "bonus" onto customers??? I doubt Apple wants to reduce their profits so in order for this to work they will probably increase their prices

Apple likes numbers that end in $99.00. There is no way the would increase the price of the iPad to $500.50. They pay a marginal amount (1-2 percent of profits) and get free publicity and happier customers in return. Inexpensive good works like this should help them sell more units to make up for the price too.

Doing good can make sense to a profit driven company. Just look at how fast organic food products are growing. We are currently building as many solar and wind farms as our economy currently allows. I saw on the news that contractors are pushed out many months in advance on new installations. This is not happening out of the kindness of corporate americas heart. It makes good business sense.
 
Apple likes numbers that end in $99.00. There is no way the would increase the price of the iPad to $500.50. They pay a marginal amount (1-2 percent of profits) and get free publicity and happier customers in return. Inexpensive good works like this should help them sell more units to make up for the price too.

Doing good can make sense to a profit driven company. Just look at how fast organic food products are growing.

how about 500.99 then?
 
PR cover-up or not. It's still good of Apple to do this. It's more than the other companies that use Foxconn are doing.

Using the term PR cover-up or simply solving a problem depends on what spin you want to apply. Since this isn't a problem Apple caused through negligence (unlike a certain oil spill), I would call this solving a problem.

This whole thing reminds me of america before unions. Workers were payed based on how much they produced instead of a fixed wage. A production based bonus reminds me of that.
 
If this happens, I wonder if Dell, Microsoft, and everyone else who uses Foxconn will follow.
 
If it was that easy, we would be doing it already. There is no infrastructure here for electronics manufacturing. Our out of work citizens don't have any experience working in electronics manufacturing. If we have to build infrastructure it would make more sense to do it for new demand like car batteries and wind farms where it makes more sense to build infrastructure and train people. It's a good thing we are already doing this, so stop complaining. Despite having a lot of people out of work, things are better here. Look on the bright side.

Do you really think they are better here? You need to see the dark side in the usa. Out of work, nobody can be better than the chinese worker. USA is giving more than $200,000,000,000 net profit to China every year.
 
The workers will have to increase the kickback to the yard boss.

And/ or the factory will reduce their base salary.
 
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