I think it's the iOS 7 icon. They changed it with iOS 8.Out of interest, where's that iBooks icon (as used in the MR post) from?
Was it some kind of pre-release version used in a beta (the current version has curved page edges)?
I think it's the iOS 7 icon. They changed it with iOS 8.Out of interest, where's that iBooks icon (as used in the MR post) from?
Was it some kind of pre-release version used in a beta (the current version has curved page edges)?
Apple should not have paid this fine.
Regardless of what the law may say, they were morally right in this matter, and Amazon were the culprits.
This is the same US government that wishes to trample on our freedom and snuff it out forever.
Tin foil hat. You may want to remove it.
A mere hiccup for Apple.$30 million in legal fees!!!
Umm, sorry, but in this case Apple was clearly in the wrong, they set a clause that stated if a publisher wants to be in the Apple store, then they cannot sell for less anywhere else. That is called price setting and is indeed illegal.Apple should not have paid this fine.
Regardless of what the law may say, they were morally right in this matter, and Amazon were the culprits.
This is the same US government that wishes to trample on our freedom and snuff it out forever.
Umm, sorry, but in this case Apple was clearly in the wrong, they set a clause that stated if a publisher wants to be in the Apple store, then they cannot sell for less anywhere else. That is called price setting and is indeed illegal.
In all honesty, I think the fine is way to small, it should be equal to something like 80% of all ebook sales until the policy was changed.
Amazo
Amazon don't rip people off.. Now do they?
Is everybody on here daft? Amazon innovated the ebook market with the kindle. That's why they pretty much owned it. Apple knew they couldn't compete on price, so they broke the antitrust laws, which are put in place to protect consumers. They knew this was wrong and did it anyway. Prices were raised. I ended up paying more because of it, millions of Americans did too.
Apple should have to pay this fine. It's pretty damn clear they were in the wrong.
The Apple apologists on this site are sometimes just frustratingly baffling.
Wrong on the two important points here.
Apple wanted to sell books using the same model they sell apps by. I.e. the publisher/developer sets whatever price they want and Apple takes a 30% cut. That's why you're wrong about them not being able to compete on price -- it wouldn't matter to them what the prices were.
To do this they had to get publishers to agree to that model, which the publishers preferred anyway (because they didn't like Amazon devaluing book prices). Apple negotiated with them separately to get those agreements. Nothing wrong with that on either side.
Afterwards Amazon stopped selling ebooks at a loss (nominally selling them for $9.99 but paying $12.50 wholesale). So yes, prices went up, but do you think Amazon was going to sell ebooks at a loss forever? They had about 80% market share and no one wanted to get into the market to compete with them because no else wanted to burn money like that. Once Amazon became the de facto sole source for ebooks they could start charging even more than prices are now. You were going to pay higher prices sooner or later. The uproar over this is just because it happened to be sooner.
Except that this is not what was determined during the trial: Apple was found to have knowingly and directly participated and facilitated a horizontal price fixing conspiracy. The court opinion is pretty clear on these points:Apple negotiated with them separately to get those agreements. Nothing wrong with that on either side.
Furthermore:For the reasons described earlier in this Opinion, there is abundant direct and circumstantial evidence, and this Court has found, that Apple knowingly and intentionally participated in and facilitated a horizontal conspiracy to eliminate retail price competition and to raise the retail prices of e-books. Apple made a conscious commitment to join a scheme with the Publisher Defendants to raise the prices of e-books.
[doublepost=1457382911][/doublepost]The finding that Apple engaged in an illegal conspiracy is based not simply on a finding that the “conspiratorial explanation is more likely than not,”; it is based on powerful direct evidence corroborated by compelling circumstantial evidence.
Also this point is questionable. First of all Amazon was selling selected titles below price as loss leaders, but as far as I understand it was overall profitable in the ebook market. It's debatable whether loss leaders sales should apply with book titles but as far as I know nobody questioned the legality of this practice yet. This means they could have kept selling ebooks with this strategy forever since the strategy was actually profitable.Afterwards Amazon stopped selling ebooks at a loss (nominally selling them for $9.99 but paying $12.50 wholesale). So yes, prices went up, but do you think Amazon was going to sell ebooks at a loss forever? They had about 80% market share and no one wanted to get into the market to compete with them because no else wanted to burn money like that. Once Amazon became the de facto sole source for ebooks they could start charging even more than prices are now. You were going to pay higher prices sooner or later. The uproar over this is just because it happened to be sooner.
I wouldn't call them crap, but being limited to Apple only platforms is definitely a negative. IBooks and the books I bought all work great. But I read a lot and my two most preferred platforms are Kindle and Nook for the reason that they work on practically anything.Apple's iBooks is crap anyway, limited only to Macs & iOS devices.
Amazon may not be perfect, but the content is available on all the platforms, as it should be.
Having a monopoly is not illegal, correct. Using money from other areas of your business to sell a given category of product at a loss so as to prevent entry of new competitors and to financially ruin existing competitors, however, is illegal. That's what Amazon does when they enter a market, and that's why I'm surprised Apple's actions were deemed illegal. They increased competition and the health of the market in significant and measurable ways.How does Amazon have a monopoly? Publishers are free to set what ever price they want to sell to Amazon (and Amazon is free to set what price they want to sell to readers). Publishers can sell where ever they want.
Apple wanted all books to be same price across all platforms and all stores (Apple can't compete on price so they wanted to force it with an illegal contract), and got a large group of different publishers together at the same time to discus this (illegal).
Edit: and just having a monopoly isn't illegal.
Having a monopoly is not illegal, correct. Using money from other areas of your business to sell a given category of product at a loss so as to prevent entry of new competitors and to financially ruin existing competitors, however, is illegal. That's what Amazon does when they enter a market, and that's why I'm surprised Apple's actions were deemed illegal. They increased competition and the health of the market in significant and measurable ways.
What a corrupt legal system we have where Amazon is rewarded for being a monopolist and publishers are punished for fighting back. Surely this wasn't what the authors of the Sherman Act intended?
Again, as far as I know this is not what Amazon was doing with ebooks: Amazon was selling selected titles as loss leaders but they were not losing money in the ebooks market.Using money from other areas of your business to sell a given category of product at a loss so as to prevent entry of new competitors and to financially ruin existing competitors, however, is illegal. That's what Amazon does when they enter a market, and that's why I'm surprised Apple's actions were deemed illegal.
In the United States, illegal per se often refers to categories of anti-competitive behavior in antitrust law conclusively presumed to be an "unreasonable restraint on trade" and thus anti competitive. The United States Supreme Court has, in the past, determined activities such as price fixing, geographic market division, and group boycott to be illegal per se regardless of the reasonableness of such actions. Traditionally, illegal per se anti-trust acts describe horizontal market arrangements among competitors.
They now have no choice but to pay the fine, however this whole eBooks case does not pass the 'smell test'.....Apple should not have paid this fine.
Regardless of what the law may say, they were morally right in this matter, and Amazon were the culprits.
This is the same US government that wishes to trample on our freedom and snuff it out forever.
Considering all the shady crap that Amazon pulls constantly, I'm disappointed that Apple would be the one to be called out on this. Furthermore, the iBooks Store is pretty small compared to the entire market. IMO it hasn't really ever gained much traction, despite coming installed on hundreds of millions of devices. But sure, fine them hundreds of millions of dollars.
Perhaps if Apple opened up their iBook to be available cross-platform, it would be a better value for people to purchase their books.
That's a consequence of the DRM, not Apple's fault. Even if Apple wanted to, there's no way to make their books available on the e-ink kindles since that's a totally closed platform.
While I'd like to see that happen, it would be very un-Apple like IMO.They could create an iBooks app for android and for the amazon store though... just like they allow Amazon to have an app in their store...
While I'd like to see that happen, it would be very un-Apple like IMO.
Apple should not have paid this fine.
Regardless of what the law may say, they were morally right in this matter, and Amazon were the culprits.
This is the same US government that wishes to trample on our freedom and snuff it out forever.