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Can someone explain to me this in plain English? If Apple want to raise their ebook prices, its up to them. If they ask publishers to do so and they agree then its a free market, whats the problem here?

and $30m for legal fees?
That amount could help fix some countries' economies.
 
I wouldn't call them crap, but being limited to Apple only platforms is definitely a negative. IBooks and the books I bought all work great. But I read a lot and my two most preferred platforms are Kindle and Nook for the reason that they work on practically anything.

Sadly, iBooks is not Apple's finest hour.

To be sure, I don't think Steve Jobs' heart was really in it ("Who reads books?"). The app is ridiculously slow. The interface is poorly laid out. It doesn't always remember my place in books, either between devices or even on one device. The cloud integration is hopelessly confusing. Ebook prices are much too high, when you consider that you can't lend or give books to someone else.

It's just another app from Apple that feels worryingly abandoned, like the music app and their iCloud services generally. My conclusion is that real books and CDs are still a significant market, because Tim Cook has said that his philosophy is to "follow the money." That suggests that there is not so much money in ebooks or digital music, so therefore he's not concerned with focusing on making their apps good.

That is directly opposed to Steve Jobs, who loved music, and therefore wanted to make sure the whole experience was excellent. He achieved that in hardware, software and services—the iPod, iPhone, the iPod app and iTunes. All three of these are being degraded by Cook; hence the too low storage on the iPhone, the awful music app and the neglect of iTunes.

Cook is a money man; he ruthlessly follows the money and that's his driving force. Steve's passion was music. His driving force was to build an exceptional product and experience for music; the money followed as a result. This reveals how Jobs led the way through his passion, whilst Cook is led the way by money. It's a subtle difference; I would say that Steve was an active leader, whilst Tim is a passive one. Steve led by investing in something he really believed in. Tim doesn't know what to invest in, so he agrees to lots of different things, but is only led by the bottom line.
 
Sadly, iBooks is not Apple's finest hour.

To be sure, I don't think Steve Jobs' heart was really in it ("Who reads books?"). The app is ridiculously slow. The interface is poorly laid out. It doesn't always remember my place in books, either between devices or even on one device. The cloud integration is hopelessly confusing. Ebook prices are much too high, when you consider that you can't lend or give books to someone else.

It's just another app from Apple that feels worryingly abandoned, like the music app and their iCloud services generally. My conclusion is that real books and CDs are still a significant market, because Tim Cook has said that his philosophy is to "follow the money." That suggests that there is not so much money in ebooks or digital music, so therefore he's not concerned with focusing on making their apps good.

That is directly opposed to Steve Jobs, who loved music, and therefore wanted to make sure the whole experience was excellent. He achieved that in hardware, software and services—the iPod, iPhone, the iPod app and iTunes. All three of these are being degraded by Cook; hence the too low storage on the iPhone, the awful music app and the neglect of iTunes.

Cook is a money man; he ruthlessly follows the money and that's his driving force. Steve's passion was music. His driving force was to build an exceptional product and experience for music; the money followed as a result. This reveals how Jobs led the way through his passion, whilst Cook is led the way by money. It's a subtle difference; I would say that Steve was an active leader, whilst Tim is a passive one. Steve led by investing in something he really believed in. Tim doesn't know what to invest in, so he agrees to lots of different things, but is only led by the bottom line.

There could be truth in what you wrote. I think Apple went into the book market because even though others will argue - the iPad and the Kindle (e-reader) were/are competitors. Maybe less now. But there are people that just want to read books. The Kindle is great for that. But Apple wanted to create a marketplace so people could buy books directly from Apple (instead of Amazon, B&N, etc). Also - it "completed" their media ecosystem. It would be harder to not create an iBookstore - or at least seem peculiar to not go after that revenue stream.

I think they very well knew what an uphill battle they had - so they tried to 'rig' (pardon the expression) the game to make it easier for them and their customers to buy from them. Their tactics based on wanting to maintain their 30% "take", however, weren't on the side of legal.
 
Can someone explain to me this in plain English? If Apple want to raise their ebook prices, its up to them. If they ask publishers to do so and they agree then its a free market, whats the problem here?
The problem is that the publishers are competitors: they are expected to compete against each other. Competitors are forbidden from colluding to fix prices and that's why they violated the antitrust act. Apple got involved since it was determined that it knowingly and intentionally participated and facilitated the collusion.
 
Is everybody on here daft? Amazon innovated the ebook market with the kindle. That's why they pretty much owned it.

So Amazon had a monopoly?

Apple knew they couldn't compete on price,

This seems to confirm your statement.

so they broke the antitrust laws, which are put in place to protect consumers.

Because a monopoly is a good thing for a consumer?

They knew this was wrong and did it anyway. Prices were raised.

Actually prices of ebooks, overall have gone down, because the monopoly broke up.

I ended up paying more because of it, millions of Americans did too.

Not according to the evidence.

Apple should have to pay this fine. It's pretty damn clear they were in the wrong.

You're right, we should punish people that increase societal well being. That'll teach them.

The Apple apologists on this site are sometimes just frustratingly baffling.

Not as frustratingly baffling as people who don't understand basic economics.

Here is something intelligent on the issue, you know, with citations. You could learn something.
 
Can someone explain to me this in plain English? If Apple want to raise their ebook prices, its up to them. If they ask publishers to do so and they agree then its a free market, whats the problem here?

and $30m for legal fees?
That amount could help fix some countries' economies.

Problem was Apple used their muscle and got all the major publishers together to gang up on Amazon.
 
Wouldn't it make more sense to correct the law when we realize we're doing stupid? Idiocracy was meant to be a cautionary tale, not a prediction.
Except that the law is actually fine. "The end doesn't justify the means" is not a difficult concept to comprehend and definitely one I want applied in cases of price fixing collusions. Stupid was deciding for a price-fixing collusion as business strategy in the first place.
 
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Can someone explain to me this in plain English? If Apple want to raise their ebook prices, its up to them. If they ask publishers to do so and they agree then its a free market, whats the problem here?

Would you think it was a problem if all the smartphone makers got together and decided that the cheapest smartphone should cost $1,000? Or if grocery store chains secretly agreed that every item must cost at least $1? Or if cellular providers secretly set data prices together?

It's called "price collusion", and it's generally illegal.

Except that the law is actually fine. "The end doesn't justify the means" is not a difficult concept to comprehend and definitely one I want applied in cases of price fixing collusions. Stupid was deciding for a price-fixing collusion as business strategy in the first place.

Exactly. Unfortunately, one of Jobs' legacies was his tendency to make secret agreements to his advantage. Another example was his deal with some other CEOs to stop poaching calls to employees.

Caveat: I haven't paid much attention to this case. I'm just responding to the illegality of a major market player colluding with other major players.
 
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Would you think it was a problem if all the smartphone makers got together and decided that the cheapest smartphone should cost $1,000? Or if grocery store chains secretly agreed that every item must cost at least $1? Or if cellular providers secretly set data prices together?

It's called "price collusion", and it's generally illegal.

well, in a free market someone always can come along and set a newer lower price and people will just buy that I guess...
My idea is that if you own something then you can sell it for whatever price you want
 
Except that the law is actually fine. "The end doesn't justify the means" is not a difficult concept to comprehend and definitely one I want applied in cases of price fixing collusions. Stupid was deciding for a price-fixing collusion as business strategy in the first place.
So we all benefitted from higher prices on ebooks because of the monopoly that Amazon had in place? Okay.

The ends justify the means?

How about a poorly thought out law didn't consider the unintended consequences like most laws?

No, I'm sorry, just because something is a law doesn't make it right. And just because I support correcting or doing away with laws that are not doing the job does not mean I advocate, "the ends justifies the means."
 
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So we all benefitted from higher prices on ebooks because of the monopoly that Amazon had in place? Okay.
When Amazon had a monopoly we customers actually enjoyed lower prices that got increased as soon as the collusion was put in force, as even stated in the very article you cited some posts ago:
Prices of eBooks, though, increased when Apple entered the industry. This column analyses why this is the case.

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Before Apple entered the market with the iBook store, downstream firms were responsible for determining retail prices, both for printed and digital books. After Apple's entry, however, there was a rapid industry-wide transition to the agency model during the spring of 2010. And prices did increase!
The ends justify the means?

How about a poorly thought out law didn't consider the unintended consequences like most laws?

No, I'm sorry, just because something is a law doesn't make it right. And just because I support correcting or doing away with laws that are not doing the job does not mean I advocate, "the ends justifies the means."
I'm sorry too, but neither because a law forbids practices you would allow it means the law is ill-conceived: it might be that it's your idea of "what should be corrected" or "done away with" which is actually ill-conceived.

It also might be that the law is doing the job and is your lack of understanding of the "unintended consequences" of weakening the law which makes you believe the world would be better with such modifications.

Or as stated by the court of appeals:
Competition is not served by permitting a market entrant to eliminate price competition as a condition of entry, and it is cold comfort to consumers that they gained a new e-book retailer at the expense of passing control over all e-book prices to a cartel of book publishers.
 
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